Labour win General Election

[bobjimwilly]

...according to VSC online poll:

Labour: 24 (31.6%)
Conservatives: 21 (27.6%)
Liberal Democrats: 16 (21.1%)
Won't be voting: 7 (9.2%)
BNP: 4 (5.3%)
UKIP: 2 (2.6%)
Green Party: 1 (1.3%)
Other: 1 (1.3%)

Number of Voters:  76

 B)

[Superspy]

what sort of % does it have to be for a hung parliament?

[bobjimwilly]

\"A hung parliament is one in which no party has an overall majority, which means no party has more than half of MPs in the House of Commons.\"

\"At the next election the number of seats contested will be increasing from 646 to 650 as a result of boundary changes.

That means that on the face of it, an absolute majority would require one party to win 326 seats and that if no party won that many seats there would be a hung parliament.\"

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk_politics/8427233.stm

 B)

[Thinwhiteduke]

bobjimwilly wrote:

...according to VSC online poll:

Labour: 24 (31.6%)
Conservatives: 21 (27.6%)
Liberal Democrats: 16 (21.1%)
Won't be voting: 7 (9.2%)
BNP: 4 (5.3%)
UKIP: 2 (2.6%)
Green Party: 1 (1.3%)
Other: 1 (1.3%)

Number of Voters:  76

 B)

Thats a hung Parliament then I presume?

I hope those who 'wont be voting' is because they can't/ aren't old enough, totally idiotic otherwise and you have no right to maon about your lot if you couldnt be bothered to vote as far as Im concerned.

[Superspy]

not that i want to turn this into an argument, but as far as IM concerned, i pay my taxes, so i have the same right to moan as anybody else, irrespective of whether i choose to vote for 1 bunch of lying w**kers out for themselves, another, or non at all.

[Snods Shinpad 2]

If the VSC poll was to be repeated nationwide (i.e Labour win 379 seats), you could get odds of 150/1 at Victor Chandler.

The Tories are now 1/25 on to win the most seats.  

[donnyjay]

Superspy wrote:

what sort of % does it have to be for a hung parliament?

If no party reaches 50% it's a hung parliament.

[Chris]

Thinwhiteduke wrote:

bobjimwilly wrote:

...according to VSC online poll:

Labour: 24 (31.6%)
Conservatives: 21 (27.6%)
Liberal Democrats: 16 (21.1%)
Won't be voting: 7 (9.2%)
BNP: 4 (5.3%)
UKIP: 2 (2.6%)
Green Party: 1 (1.3%)
Other: 1 (1.3%)

Number of Voters:  76

 B)

Thats a hung Parliament then I presume?

I hope those who 'wont be voting' is because they can't/ aren't old enough, totally idiotic otherwise and you have no right to maon about your lot if you couldnt be bothered to vote as far as Im concerned.

Not at all. The FPTP system in the UK means than in some constituencies voting for one particular party will make no difference at all to the outcome of the election. I agree that everyone who can vote should do so but it is unfair to call those who don't idiotic and lazy.

[bobjimwilly]

The First Past The Post system does indeed mean some seats will not affect the outcome of the election, but remember you are voting also for your local MP to serve you in Parliament. So if you want certain things to happen in, say, Doncaster North, then your vote still has an influence on (potentially) changes in your area.  

[River Don]

bobjimwilly wrote:

The First Past The Post system does indeed mean some seats will not affect the outcome of the election, but remember you are voting also for your local MP to serve you in Parliament. So if you want certain things to happen in, say, Doncaster North, then your vote still has an influence on (potentially) changes in your area.  

Vote for who you like, in Doncaster you're going to have a local Labour MP representing you. That's the problem with FPTP.

[not on facebook]

surley the poll only picks out what people feal in doncaster
and alst time i looked donny has been a labour town since year zonk

do the same poll in harragote to which i understand its a conserative
town then it will be a blue flag flying upon the council officers after final
count

[bobjimwilly]

River Don wrote:

Vote for who you like, in Doncaster you're going to have a local Labour MP representing you. That's the problem with FPTP.

In terms of local government, I don't see FPTP is a problem?
If the majority of voters in Doncaster vote for a Labour candidate, they would have a Labour MP; if the majority vote lib dem, they would have a Lib Dem MP for Doncaster, etc.
i.e. the majority of people will have the person they wanted representing them in parliament.

Surely the FPTP system only shows its disadvantages at national level? Or am I missing something? :S

[bobjimwilly]

oslorovers wrote:

surley the poll only picks out what people feal in doncaster
and alst time i looked donny has been a labour town since year zonk

do the same poll in harragote to which i understand its a conserative
town then it will be a blue flag flying upon the council officers after final
count

you're quite right oslo - don't get your point though mate?  

[not on facebook]

to be honest now i have read the thread properly i dont get me point either

if that helps yer fella

[RyansArmy]

In all honestly we will have a hung parliment, but will it be Mr Cameron or Mr Brown with Clegg by their side? At this time all we have is a exit poll to try and predict what might be the end of probably the most anticipated electin in a general election. Nick Clegg obviously will have the upper hand on this and try and negotiate deals with both of the 'big guns' to decide who he should form some kind of alliance. Gordon Brown called him a 'Threat to our defence' and Cameron wipped round to Clegg at one point and told him to 'Get real'

A hung Parliment normally doesn't last and does call for another general election in the upcoming months, which will probably allow Conservatives into power. Ther are going to win all but the legal right to govern tonight, but will have the party with the most seats, the election poll on this website is from mostly doncaster associated poeple, and with Doncaster North bieng one of the safest labour seats in country, the swing of how many people said conservatives is a figure to think about, if they can get so high in such a 'anti tory' area, imagine how good they will do in the south. It is time for the people of the country to decide by referendum should the conservatives have the right to govern? They have the moral right to help us avoid the drift and dither of a hung parliament. We (the people) will give a Conservative government the chance to offer dynamic and energetic government and by tomorrow morning and begin the work of undoing the damage done by Labour.

[MiKA]

Thank god you all have a better taste in football teams than in Political Parties   :dry:

[bobjimwilly]

MiKA wrote:

Thank god you all have a better taste in football teams than in Political Parties   :dry:

 

[bangormaine]

After looking at the recent election results for Doncaster it would seem like it was the eternal labour heartland. Some of you may be surprised to learn that in the dim and distant past Doncaster not only had a Conservative M.P. but one who eventually became The Chancellor of the Exchequer, one Tony Barber. If that is not surprising enough, then you would be even more so surprised to learn that the sitting M.P. who he beat was a very famous Trade Unionist called Ray Gunter. I am sure a selection of our older contributors will remember this period.
On the footballing front I would like to report that if as suggested in a previous post we are interested in Kevin Kyle, he is a lump of wood.

[BobG]

And guess what? Tony Barber is buried right next to my Dad. Not that Dad ever, ever voted Tory in his life!

I remember Ray Gunter. A thug. I remember Tony Barber too actually. A toffee nosed wally who, when Chacellor of the Exchequer engineered a ridiculous boom so his lot could win the next election and consequently f**ked the counmtry for several years afterwards. Met him once on the platform at the railway station. Total tosser.

BobG

[bangormaine]

Mr Barber was also famous for bringing V.A.T to the United Kingdom. just imagine how much money we would save on the season tickets if they were V.A.T free. However we would not be able to give our lovely politicians such big expense accounts so I suppose V.A.T will have to continue.

[BobG]

Maybe Bangor - but don't forget that the arrival of VAT also meant the disaappearance of Purchase Tax.

Cheers

BobG

[Barmby Rover]

Purchase tax didn't have tax on tax as in VAT though Bob, and it wasn't as extensive, although subsequent Tory governments may have used it to raise taxes to claim they were lowering income tax, as they have done with VAT, and might do so again! I hope that the Torys make their pact with the Libs now, let them cut massively the public sector support as they wish for a year, let's see the dole queues rise massively as they force more onto the dole and RAISE public spending by paying out for people to be unemployed as Thatcher did. There is not the oil money that Thatcher wasted to do that this time, within a year the current generation who never had to live through that sort of garbage will cotton on to what they are like and start to think a bit more rather than vote on a sort of Xfactor basis and start to listen to policies instead.



Some hope!

[Alonzo Drake]

Progressive/socialist/liberal thought is often abstract, and difficult to understand. It requires certain level of understanding not taught to the working classes in our current mass education system.

The working classes -- and that's virtually everyone on this forum -- would benefit from the British economy and society being based upon progressive/socialist/liberal lines in order to achieve the levels of economic and social justice required to roll back the Thatcher years, and the subsequent policies of Blair's quasi-labour party since 1997.

However, conservative/Cameronesque thought merely requires the use of the limbic/lizard section of the brain based upon fear and greed.

Anyway, at least the Donny constituencies remained labour, even though Rosie and Ed and co. are much nearer to the noblesse oblige Tories of my youth.

We have a wonderful tradition of labour in Donny of course, which few know about, thanks to Play Station and the X Factor (nice on Barmby!)

Doncaster's Tom Steels, a Great Northern Railway Company signalman and an official of the Doncaster branch of the Amalgamated Society of Railway Servants (ASRS), drafted a famous resolution on labour representation in Parliament. which was first read out in the Good Woman pub on St. Sepulchre Gate in March 1899 -- just as the Rovers were battling it out with Ilkeston and Kettering for to the Midland League Championship!

The Doncaster branch's resolution called on the TUC to organise a joint conference with socialist and co-operative bodies to discuss Labour representation in the Houses of Parliament.

“That this congress, having regard to its decisions of former years, and with a view to securing a better representation of the interests of labour in the House of Commons, hereby instructs the Parliamentary Committee to invite the cooperation of all the cooperative, socialistic, trade union and other working class organisations to jointly cooperate on the lines mutually agreed upon, in convening a special congress of representatives from such of the above-named organisations as may be willing to take part to devise ways and means for securing the return of an increased number of Labour members in the next parliament.

This Doncaster resolution led to the forming of the Labour Representation Committee a year later, which then became the Labour Party.

It's interesting to note that when Tom Steels made his famous Donny-based resolution that Donny's MP was a good old, true blue Tory named Sir Frederick William Fison, 1st Baronet, who held the post from 1895 until 1906. Afterward Donny went Liberal/Labour for a while, but of course as Bob pointed out we went Tory again from 1951 until 1964 represented by Anthony Perrinott Lysberg Barber (Baron Barber), whose Dad had been a bigwig with Doncaster's Parkinson Butterscotch Company.

Anyway, all you on here who did not vote, and those who voted Tory, hang your head in shame -- just look what has happened! It's not my Labour Party any more, but as you will all soon see, anything is better than Cameron.