Water boarding

[CusworthRovers]

At first I thought it was going to be about Dubya in some kinky games with Ronnie and Nancy.

Well lets have it out then folks. I know who you are..........I say make em have it in the interests of national security.

So it's a Yes from me Simon

[BillyStubbsTears]

Not hard to guess where I stand on this.

Bush, Cheney and Rumsfeld are Kitsons of the highest order who deserve an eternity having their knackers skewered on Satan's fork.

Their actions have ensured that we will have this terrorist issue to deal with for the next 50 years. Even if waterboarding DID work, in authorising that, they have become the most useful recruitment agents that Al Qaeda has ever had.

Those tactics NEVER work in the long run. All it does is generate more hatred, more martyrs, more reasons why the next generation will take up arms against you.

Look at Northern Ireland - when the Army kicked down several hundred Catholic doors in the middle of the night in August 1971, dragged \"known IRA members\" off to prison, held them without charge and tortured them for information, it must have seemed like a brilliant way to show them who was in charge and break the strength of the Provos.

That really f**king well worked didn't it? There was no more trouble from the Fenians after that was there? No Guildford, Birmingham, Warrenpoint, Eniskillen, Brighton, Canary Wharf, Bishopsgate, Manchester, Warrington, Omagh.

That is EXACTLY what Iraq and Guantanamo has done to Al Qaeda. It hasn't weakened them. It might tactically disadvantage them, but in the long run it makes ALL of us more vulnerable and entrenches the \"war\".

And that's before you even start on the morality of a Kitson like Bush taking it on himself to authorise illegal torture with no judicial oversight. Why stop at \"terrorist suspects\"? Why not do what unleashed, anti-democratic megalomaniacs have done throughout history and extend that sort of treatment to you domestic political opponents. Once people accept the principle that the rules can be put aside when a problem is deemed big enough, you're on a slippery slope.

f**king terrifying.

[Mike_F]

f**king hell, Billy. If that's hhow you feel about the water board I wouldn't like to be your meter reader!

[RobTheRover]

Post of the day, and its only 12:40, Mike.

[BillyStubbsTears]

Mike_F wrote:

fcuking hell, Billy. If that's hhow you feel about the water board I wouldn't like to be your meter reader!

If I was the sort of limp-wristed bell end who did smiley faces, you'd get a smiley face for that.

[Glyn_Wigley]

I'd say yes, but only if we can also use it on politicians to get a truthful answer out of THEM for once.

Otherwise, no.

[River Don]

I don't know what all the fuss is about, it's not much different to windsurfing is it?

[Snods Shinpad 2]

Information gathered from people who have been subjected to horrific and traumatic suffering involving a violation of the primary senses are notoriously unreliable.



























That is why I would never ask a Barnsley season ticket holder for directions.

[jucyberry]

Mike_F wrote:

fcuking hell, Billy. If that's hhow you feel about the water board I wouldn't like to be your meter reader!

On fire today Mike, made me snigger mightily..  

[jucyberry]

Do the ends ever justify the means? I would have to say no way.

How can you ever trust the confession of a person pushed to the extreme level of pain? torture is the excuse of the sadist to justify and sugar coat the fact that they get off on inflicting agony on another..(all in the name of Uncle Sam and Aunty puppy dog.)

[Sandy Lane]

BillyStubbsTears wrote:

Not hard to guess where I stand on this.

Bush, Cheney and Rumsfeld are cnuts of the highest order who deserve an eternity having their knackers skewered on Satan's fork.

Their actions have ensured that we will have this terrorist issue to deal with for the next 50 years. Even if waterboarding DID work, in authorising that, they have become the most useful recruitment agents that Al Qaeda has ever had.

Those tactics NEVER work in the long run. All it does is generate more hatred, more martyrs, more reasons why the next generation will take up arms against you.

Look at Northern Ireland - when the Army kicked down several hundred Catholic doors in the middle of the night in August 1971, dragged \"known IRA members\" off to prison, held them without charge and tortured them for information, it must have seemed like a brilliant way to show them who was in charge and break the strength of the Provos.

That really fcuking well worked didn't it? There was no more trouble from the Fenians after that was there? No Guildford, Birmingham, Warrenpoint, Eniskillen, Brighton, Canary Wharf, Bishopsgate, Manchester, Warrington, Omagh.

That is EXACTLY what Iraq and Guantanamo has done to Al Qaeda. It hasn't weakened them. It might tactically disadvantage them, but in the long run it makes ALL of us more vulnerable and entrenches the \"war\".

And that's before you even start on the morality of a cnut like Bush taking it on himself to authorise illegal torture with no judicial oversight. Why stop at \"terrorist suspects\"? Why not do what unleashed, anti-democratic megalomaniacs have done throughout history and extend that sort of treatment to you domestic political opponents. Once people accept the principle that the rules can be put aside when a problem is deemed big enough, you're on a slippery slope.

fcuking terrifying.

exactly!

[donnyjay]

It's definitely well out of order. You'd never see Jack Bauer resorting to these ungentlemanly practices.

On the other hand though they only filmed him for one day at a time. The other six he could've been a right Kitson.

In conclusion, put me down as a Don't Know.

[colfromdonny]

Why not just capture them and make sure no-one knows, torture them for all the info and for a bit extra (just to make sure) then take them to the woods ( still not letting on that we've got them) give them a good kicking , shoot them in the back of the head and feed them to the pigs.  This would allow us to gather information without any grief from other terrorists or do-gooders ( who are worse than terrorists)

[keyser_soze]

donnyjay wrote:

It's definitely well out of order. You'd never see Jack Bauer resorting to these ungentlemanly practices.

'd'you know what I'm going to do with this towel?'

[RobTheRover]

Dry the pots?