Useless Stat #2592

[Dutch Uncle]

It may have passed you by, but after last night's results we can no longer finish in bottom place for the second season in a row. Portsmouth can no longer catch us.

It becomes slightly interesting in that this will the be the first time in our history that we will have finished a season in a higher position than Portsmouth in the Football League (if you ignore the fact they were not in the league when we played our first 3 Division 2 seasons between 1901 and 1905)

As far as I can work out the only teams that we have never finished a season in a higher position than are: Arsenal, Aston Villa, Birmingham, Blackburn, Liverpool, Manchester City, Middlesboro, Newcastle, Stoke, Sunderland, and West Brom. We have never finished above Chelsea and Tottenham, but on the other hand, like Portsmouth, they were not in the League in 1901 when we were.   

Interesting that we nearly finished above Middlesboro in 2009-10

 

P.S. 2592 is my favourite number

[philsky]

It may have passed you by, but after last night's results we can no longer finish in bottom place for the second season in a row. Portsmouth can no longer catch us.

It becomes slightly interesting in that this will the be the first time in our history that we will have finished a season in a higher position than Portsmouth in the Football League (if you ignore the fact they were not in the league when we played our first 3 Division 2 seasons between 1901 and 1905)

As far as I can work out the only teams that we have never finished a season in a higher position than are: Arsenal, Aston Villa, Birmingham, Blackburn, Liverpool, Manchester City, Middlesboro, Newcastle, Stoke, Sunderland, and West Brom. We have never finished above Chelsea and Tottenham, but on the other hand, like Portsmouth, they were not in the League in 1901 when we were.   

Interesting that we nearly finished above Middlesboro in 2009-10

 

P.S. 2592 is my favourite number

Love your stats brother

When did we finish above Man U ?

And Leeds :-)

[One_Matty_Lucas]

I have been waiting all season for the day we cant finish bottom!

We finished above Leeds in the season after we won the playoffs as they stayed in League One.

[Dutch Uncle]

Philsky bruv - I take it you didn't go last night 

We finished above Newton Heath (= Manchester United) in our first football league season in 1901-2 when we finished 7th in Division 2 and they ended up waaaaaaaay below us in 15th 

And how can you forget us finishing above Leeds 3 seasons in a row? In 2007-8 we finished 3rd to their 5th before we beat them in the Wembley final, and of course this also meant we were in a higher Division than them in 2008-9 and 2009-10 

[BobG]

Did we ever finish above Man U in the old Div 2 Brian? My Dad used to talk about us playing therm in the league a bit in the 50's - so I suppose there's just a chance? We used to play Liverpool to in those days I understand?

BobG

[The L J Monk]

Of course, if Pompey go bust, we'll be denied our moment in the sun.

[wilts rover]

Nice one Dutch.

[Dutch Uncle]

Did we ever finish above Man U in the old Div 2 Brian? My Dad used to talk about us playing therm in the league a bit in the 50's - so I suppose there's just a chance? We used to play Liverpool to in those days I understand?

BobG

1901-2 was the only time Bob. The following season Newton Heath changed their name to Manchester United and that seems to have done the trick for them   

[big fat yorkshire pudding]

I don't have time to work it out but after filtering in teams playing each other is it possible that we actually couldn't be relegated?

[BillyStubbsTears]

BFYP

What? Wi this clown in charge? And the shower o shite that Soundbite Saunders left him wi? And our possession efficiency stats?

It's not only possible, it's guaranteed.

[Dutch Uncle]

I don't have time to work it out but after filtering in teams playing each other is it possible that we actually couldn't be relegated?

Don't think so yet.

Before filtering 72 points would be needed (allowing an extra point for Goal Difference) and I reckon 10 points has to be too much for the filtering process

[philsky]

Philsky bruv - I take it you didn't go last night 

We finished above Newton Heath (= Manchester United) in our first football league season in 1901-2 when we finished 7th in Division 2 and they ended up waaaaaaaay below us in 15th 

And how can you forget us finishing above Leeds 3 seasons in a row? In 2007-8 we finished 3rd to their 5th before we beat them in the Wembley final, and of course this also meant we were in a higher Division than them in 2008-9 and 2009-10 

DU - Thanks for the info.

The Man U question was genuine; Leeds - maybe not :-)

[Northants Nomad]

Philsky bruv - I take it you didn't go last night 

We finished above Newton Heath (= Manchester United) in our first football league season in 1901-2 when we finished 7th in Division 2 and they ended up waaaaaaaay below us in 15th 

And how can you forget us finishing above Leeds 3 seasons in a row? In 2007-8 we finished 3rd to their 5th before we beat them in the Wembley final, and of course this also meant we were in a higher Division than them in 2008-9 and 2009-10 

DU - Thanks for the info.

The Man U question was genuine; Leeds - maybe not :-)

Phil - I liked the whooshing noise your 'Leeds question' made as it went over peoples' heads.

[Dutch Uncle]

Philsky bruv - I take it you didn't go last night 

We finished above Newton Heath (= Manchester United) in our first football league season in 1901-2 when we finished 7th in Division 2 and they ended up waaaaaaaay below us in 15th 

And how can you forget us finishing above Leeds 3 seasons in a row? In 2007-8 we finished 3rd to their 5th before we beat them in the Wembley final, and of course this also meant we were in a higher Division than them in 2008-9 and 2009-10 

DU - Thanks for the info.

The Man U question was genuine; Leeds - maybe not :-)

Phil - I liked the whooshing noise your 'Leeds question' made as it went over peoples' heads.

 

[FuzzyDuck]

Loving that!  Will use this in the next Match thread - Thanks 

[BillyStubbsTears]

As far as I can see, filtering doesn't change the equation. The two sides who are equal 4th bottom in terms of potential points (Colchester and Scunny) don't play each other and the next side are way above them in terms if potential points. So it is still currently 72 points required for mathematical safety.

But. If we beat Hartlepool on Sat and Bury don't beat Crawley, the worst position we can finish is fourth bottom.

[Alonzo Drake]

Did we ever finish above Man U in the old Div 2 Brian? My Dad used to talk about us playing therm in the league a bit in the 50's - so I suppose there's just a chance? We used to play Liverpool to in those days I understand?

BobG

1901-2 was the only time Bob. The following season Newton Heath changed their name to Manchester United and that seems to have done the trick for them   

What a wonderful thread to start the day Dutch! Thanks. Also, Bob, maybe your dad was recalling the 1935/36 season when recalling our games with ManUre -- that's the last time we played them in the League. Both games ended 0-0, and ManUre were promoted as D2 Champions. I think your dad was about the same age as mine, so he's be a teenager back then.

[wilts rover]

As far as I can see, filtering doesn't change the equation. The two sides who are equal 4th bottom in terms of potential points (Colchester and Scunny) don't play each other and the next side are way above them in terms if potential points. So it is still currently 72 points required for mathematical safety.

But. If we beat Hartlepool on Sat and Bury don't beat Crawley, the worst position we can finish is fourth bottom.

Surely not every team (other than Portsmouth) can gain 72 points - as they all have to play one another? It would make my head ache to go through the fixtures & work it out though?