Why you shouldn't vote Labour

[IC1967]

Right, the general election is less than 3 months away so I have decided to set myself a challenge. Between now and then I'm going to come up with 100 reasons why you should not vote Labour. I know what you lefties are thinking, that's an impossible task. Well I've got news for you. I'm going to find it incredibly easy. If come polling day you still vote Labour, I'm afraid you are irredeemably stupid and their is no hope for you.

1. Unemployment has increased under every Labour government there has ever been.
2. No offer of EU referendum.
3. The national debt would increase.
4. The deficit would not be cut as much as with the Tories. It would probably grow.
5. There would be less money for public services because Labour don't manage the economy as well as the Tories.
6. Income tax would be higher. The Tories want to increase the personal allowance much more than Labour.
7. Ed Balls can't name a business leader that supports them.
8. Ed Milliband would be Prime Minister!
9. Ed Balls would be Chancellor!
9. The trade unions would start to run the country again.
10. The welfare bill would be higher.
11. The stock market would fall.
12. Business would be much less keen to invest.
13. The rich would be soaked to breaking point and many would leave the country so less jobs would be created.
14. They would bring in a mansion tax. Many working and middle class people in London would be punished because of where they live.
15. They would bring back the spare room subsidy.
16. More quangos would be created.
17. More money would be wasted on PFI.
18. Council tax would increase.
19. They would reduce competition in the NHS, making it more costly.
20. Red Ed is an unreconstructed champagne socialist who doesn't like capitalists.

Well that's a start. Took me 2 minutes to reel that lot off.

[River Don]

I don't think you're convincing anyone to vote differently. Why?

1. You are posting, so few will not bother to look at it.
2. As usual you are condescending towards your audience.
3. That's it.

[IC1967]

21. Labour lied about hedge funds getting a £145m tax cut. They didn't.
22. They allowed the Rotherham council to get away with covering up child sex abuse.
23. They allow political correctness to colour their judgement on all issues.
24. They had MPs jailed for the expenses debacle.
25. They will give Scotland even more powers.
26. They lied about the Tories wanting the disabled to be paid less than the minimum wage.
27. They are against the reintroduction of grammar schools.
28. They want to reduce tuition fees to £6,000 thus benefiting the rich.
29. They oppose every cut but won't tell us how they would balance the books.
30. Ed Balls blinks at a rate of more than once a second, thus proving he is a liar.
31. They always increase the size of the public sector.
32. They believe in big government meddling in all aspects of people's lives.
33. They want to kick the issue of English votes for English issues into the long grass.
34. They accuse UKIP of being racist.
35. They lie about UKIP wanting to charge for GP visits.
36. They accuse the Tories of austerity when the Tories have borrowed more money than all the previous Labour governments put together.
37. The country would lurch to the left.
38. They would waste money keeping inefficient businesses from going under if they are in their constituencies.
39. They opened the floodgates to immigration from the EU.
40. They don't believe in controlled immigration.

[bobjimwilly]

I challenge you to back up each point with a link/reference to a fact/news article
e.g. for #37 , or #40, or #22, #23 etc etc

[IC1967]

I challenge you to back up each point with a link/reference to a fact/news article
e.g. for #37 , or #40, or #22, #23 etc etc

I challenge you to watch the news occasionally and read the articles in the links I provide to keep up with current affairs.

I've got a life to lead and am not going to waste it on providing evidence for the likes of you that don't know what's going on in the country.

It is obvious to anyone with half a brain that everything I've said is incontrovertible fact. No need for evidence. Everything I've posted so far is common knowledge.

[IC1967]

I must say I'm finding this incredibly easy. Each time I find I have 5 minutes to spare, 20 reasons just pour out of my brain.

41. They can't run a health service as well as the Tories. Anyone been ill in Wales recently?
42. They started the privatisation of the NHS.
43. They don't want to have a sensible debate about how it should be run in future.
44. They think weaponising the NHS is acceptable behaviour.
45. The Mid Staffordshire scandal.
46. The huge increase in hospital acquired infections during their time in office.
47. They wasted over £10bn on a failed computer system for the NHS.
48. They are war mongers (Iraq, Afghanistan).
49. They failed to abolish boom and bust despite repeatedly saying so.
50. They brought in dozens of stealth taxes.
51. They tried to put most of the population on benefits by introducing tax credits.
52. They used PFI in a totally irresponsible way to pay for hospitals etc lumbering the taxpayer with a huge bill (roughly 4 times what the cost would have been if they hadn't used PFI).
53. They didn't fix the roof when the sun was shining. Instead they carried on borrowing and spending.
54. They failed to regulate the banks properly.
55. They bailed out the banks instead of letting them go bust lumbering the tax payer with a huge bill.
56. They brought in green levies to push up everyone's gas and electricity bills.
57. They wanted to freeze energy bills making people pay more than they need to when prices fall.
58. They think it's OK to interfere in how companies run their businesses despite not being able to organise a piss up in a brewery.
59. They sold off our gold at the bottom of the market.
60. They ruined final salary pension schemes (for those in the private sector).

[Colin C No.3]

You've convinced me, UKIP it is.

[IC1967]

You've convinced me, UKIP it is.

Nice one. I'm confident there will be many more joining our ranks by the time I'm finished.

[wilts rover]

It's going to be a long three months.....

[BillyStubbsTears]

Yep

He's convinced me too.

Whatever he's said. He's been on ignore since this morning.

[RobTheRover]

Bloody hell, BST.  I've been dying for you to finish your tea and get stuck in!  lol

[The Red Baron]

You've convinced me, UKIP it is.

Nice one. I'm confident there will be many more joining our ranks by the time I'm finished.

Isn't voting UKIP going to make a Labour-led Government more rather than less likely?

My local constituency is a knife -edge Lib Dem v Tory marginal. I'd make the Tories hot favourites to gain the seat. However, the one thing that might thwart them is a sizeable UKIP vote.

[IC1967]

You've convinced me, UKIP it is.

Nice one. I'm confident there will be many more joining our ranks by the time I'm finished.

Isn't voting UKIP going to make a Labour-led Government more rather than less likely?

My local constituency is a knife -edge Lib Dem v Tory marginal. I'd make the Tories hot favourites to gain the seat. However, the one thing that might thwart them is a sizeable UKIP vote.

Us UKIP voters are by and large an intelligent bunch. In a seat such as you describe we would vote tactically for the Tories. We are right wing by nature so would want to support a right wing party where we have no chance of winning.

Where we could do some damage is where Labour have got a big majority. We will pick up a lot of Tory voters who want to keep Labour out. Such as in Ed Milliband's seat.

This general election will be decided by tactical voting. As us right wingers are more intelligent than left wingers we will use this to our great advantage. 

[IC1967]

Yep

He's convinced me too.

Whatever he's said. He's been on ignore since this morning.

Hahaha! The penny has finally dropped. It's taken many batterings but he has finally realised that he is no match for me.

[Glyn_Wigley]

I challenge you to back up each point with a link/reference to a fact/news article
e.g. for #37 , or #40, or #22, #23 etc etc

I challenge you to watch the news occasionally and read the articles in the links I provide to keep up with current affairs.

I've got a life to lead and am not going to waste it on providing evidence for the likes of you that don't know what's going on in the country.

It is obvious to anyone with half a brain that everything I've said is incontrovertible fact. No need for evidence. Everything I've posted so far is common knowledge.

You expect everybody else to come up with evidence, but you don't have to? Hypocrite.

[IC1967]

This is just too easy.

61. When they came to power they said they would be wise spenders not big spenders like the Tories. They spent like drunken sailors.
62. They created a political and managerial culture where mistakes were never admitted and failings were covered up.
63. They allowed cleaning and catering in the NHS to be done by the private sector. This led to many patient deaths as hospitals were no longer cleaned properly and infection rates increased in the dirtier hospitals.
64. Malnutrition in hospitals doubled due to the outsourcing of catering.
65. They closed many A and E departments.
66. They doubled the number of managers in the NHS.
67. They increased the salaries of managers in the public sector by far more than the rate of inflation.
68. They encouraged an unsustainable housing boom.
69. They encouraged the public and business to get into eye watering levels of debt.
70. They gave GP's a 63% pay rise whilst allowing them to stop working out of normal surgery hours.
71. The number of nurses and midwives that emigrated doubled under Labour.
72. They took spin in politics to a new level.
73. Ed  Milliband forgets key issues like the deficit when he is making his last speech before the election at the party conference.
74. Ed Milliband knew the economy was about to fall off a cliff a year before the financial crisis and advised Gordon Brown to cut and run by going for a general election before it happened.
75. Ed  Milliband can't eat a bacon sandwich properly.
76. Ed  Milliband has never had a proper job.
77. They sent our soldiers off to war with inadequate equipment resulting in many more deaths and injuries than should have been the case.
78. They didn't build anywhere near enough houses for the growing population. As a result, many young people are reconciled to renting all their lives.
79. They allowed migrants to claim benefits for children not even living in the UK.
80. Council Tax went up by more than inflation every year.

[IC1967]

I challenge you to back up each point with a link/reference to a fact/news article
e.g. for #37 , or #40, or #22, #23 etc etc

I challenge you to watch the news occasionally and read the articles in the links I provide to keep up with current affairs.

I've got a life to lead and am not going to waste it on providing evidence for the likes of you that don't know what's going on in the country.

It is obvious to anyone with half a brain that everything I've said is incontrovertible fact. No need for evidence. Everything I've posted so far is common knowledge.

You expect everybody else to come up with evidence, but you don't have to? Hypocrite.

No I don't. I only expect evidence when incorrect statements are made. All my above statements are true so no evidence is required.

Now you've finally resurfaced, when am I going to get the abject apology you owe me?

[IC1967]

Short and sweet under Labour you will have a warm meal and a bit of warmth in your house, under the Conservatives you will have no bread, no heat.
And just as you think things can't get worse, you go to pull your slippers on and there is a tax reminder on them and that they have been confiscated and posted to Nick Clegg as a going away present.

The warm meal you refer to would be from a soup kitchen. They would proliferate under Labour.

A bit of warmth in your house! If Labour had got their way energy bills would have been frozen for 18 months instead of coming down like they are now. In fact because the energy companies are scared of Labour getting into power they haven't reduced bills by as much as they would have.

81. Due to Labour's stupid interfering in the energy market policy, energy bills haven't fallen by as much as they should have done.
82. Increased the cost of parliament despite handing over most powers to the EU and to the devolved parliaments in Scotland and Wales. We should have less MPs now as they don't have anywhere near as much to do as they used to.
83. Failed to give the regulators any teeth as they promised such as Ofgem and Ofwat meaning consumers were ripped off.
84. Productivity was catching up fast with other countries until Labour came to power.
85. All other English speaking countries had faster growth than we did under Labour.
86. Corporation tax was not competitive under Labour and we gradually fell down the league table.
87. Inflation was higher on average than the US and Euro area under Labour.
88. Failed to provide new capacity to replace ageing nuclear and coal power plants.
89. Complicated the welfare system so much that over £7bn was overpaid on tax credits.
90. Increased the tax burden by over 50% in real terms.
91. Failed to increase motorway capacity. Britain now has the lowest ratio of motorway network to the number of cars of any major European economy.
92. The rate of increase in real disposable incomes fell under Labour from 3.2% to 2.6%.
93. Productivity in the public sector fell under Labour.
94. Increased the onerous burden of regulation on businesses thus making them less competitive.
95. Introduced such a complex benefits system that for a lot of people it wasn't worth getting a job.
96. Increased the size of the state to more than half of our annual GDP.
97. Long term interest rates were higher on average than the US and Euro area under Labour.
98. Failed to raise the income tax thresholds in line with inflation thus making people pay more tax than they should have done.
99. Failed to look after pensioners as well as the Tories.
100. In summary they borrowed too much, spent too much and bankrupted the country.

Well I have to say that was a lot easier than I thought it was going to be. I should have set myself a target of 1000 to keep me going until the election.

[bobjimwilly]

If Labour had got their way energy bills would have been frozen for 18 months instead of coming down like they are now.

"Ed Miliband will not seek to freeze energy prices but cap them, Labour has confirmed"
http://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/2015/01/14/miliband-price-freeze-uturn_n_6468932.html

In fact because the energy companies are scared of Labour getting into power they haven't reduced bills by as much as they would have.

If we're just making sh*t up, how about, "Cameron is a typical Tory and wants to rob the poor to give to the rich"
I said it, so it's fact. You want to disprove it, YOU go look up the facts, Mick.

[IC1967]

If Labour had got their way energy bills would have been frozen for 18 months instead of coming down like they are now.

"Ed Miliband will not seek to freeze energy prices but cap them, Labour has confirmed"
http://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/2015/01/14/miliband-price-freeze-uturn_n_6468932.html

In fact because the energy companies are scared of Labour getting into power they haven't reduced bills by as much as they would have.

If we're just making sh*t up, how about, "Cameron is a typical Tory and wants to rob the poor to give to the rich"
I said it, so it's fact. You want to disprove it, YOU go look up the facts, Mick.

Hahaha! Do you read your links? Here's the first sentence in the link you provided - 'Ed Miliband will not seek to freeze energy prices but cap them, Labour has confirmed, sparking accusations that the party has dumped the Labour leader's flagship pledge.' Of course he dumped it.

There was nothing about capping when they first brought the policy out. They are so economically inept that they weren't aware that prices in this market can fall as well as rise. They got found out and then changed to a capping policy. It is a fact that if the policy had been implemented at the time Labour came out with it, people would be paying more for their energy for 18 months!

Check out this link. Nothing about capping.

http://action.labour.org.uk/page/s/energy-calculator

I've made nothing up about bills not being reduced by as much as they should have thanks to Labour. Have you heard of uswitch? They are not the only one making this claim.

 Consumers are being denied energy price cuts of as much as £130 a year because of Ed Miliband’s price freeze proposal, experts have claimed.

Energy companies are failing to pass on the full falls in wholesale prices because they are afraid they will not be able to cover their costs if prices rise again under a Labour Government, industry analysts say.

Companies should be able to afford to cut prices by "a double-figures percentage", Ann Robinson of price comparison site uswitch said, with average gas and electricity bills currently about £1,300 a year.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/earth/energy/11351710/Labour-energy-price-freeze-preventing-130-bill-cuts.html

Read it and weep.

Next, (you've got another 99 to choose from).

[IC1967]

Hahaha! Labour have launched a campaign to woo women voters by touring the country in a pink bus! How patronising.

It gets worse. Guess who is driving it. A man!

That's another one for the list. Labour are patronising to women.

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/generalelection/labour-pink-bus-twitter-users-blast-partys-patronising-attempt-to-woo-women-voters-10037820.html

[River Don]

But soup kitchens and food banks have proliferated under the Consevative coalition. Have they not?

[Glyn_Wigley]

But soup kitchens and food banks have proliferated under the Consevative coalition. Have they not?

Of course they have, it's what the 'Big Society' is all about. Oily Dave must be so proud.

[IC1967]

But soup kitchens and food banks have proliferated under the Consevative coalition. Have they not?

This has been Labour's fault. The Tories are trying to clear up the monumental mess left behind by them and benefits have had to be cut. Under a new Labour government this situation would get much worse as they are not as good at running the economy as the Tories so there would be less money about for benefits. Therefore many more soup kitchens.

Next.

[bobjimwilly]

Talking to you, Mick, is like talking to a child. Actually, a child who actually created a username on a football forum in his half-brothers name to try and put people off the scent who he really is. All very pathetic and truly shows how your real life must be very boring.

Ignore the troll people!

[IC1967]

Talking to you, Mick, is like talking to a child. Actually, a child who actually created a username on a football forum in his half-brothers name to try and put people off the scent who he really is. All very pathetic and truly shows how your real life must be very boring.

Ignore the troll people!

May I refer you to the excellent 'Should I go or stay' thread. The result is totally conclusive. The vast majority of people find my posts entertaining and interesting. This would not be the result if I was a troll. You'll have to come up with something better than that if you want to debate with me.

http://www.drfc-vsc.co.uk/index.php?topic=251074.0

Next.

[IC1967]

Soup kitchens were invented by the Tory's, even Al Capone would give you a crust of bread when he did them in Chicago, the Tory's would charge you VAT.

The point you're missing is that Labour left us in such a mess that it was inevitable soup kitchens would spring up. It's going to take decades to put right the damage Labour did.

Just be grateful that the Tories have created more jobs than the rest of the EU put together or there would be a lot more soup kitchens. If Labour win the election they won't suddenly disappear. There will be many more of them.

Next.

[IC1967]

Silly Billy thinks red Ed is a man of principle. I wonder how he would explain the fact that he is a tax dodger away.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2951553/Red-Ed-tax-avoider-Property-merry-rounds-Milibands-changed-cutting-inheritance-tax-liability.html

Mr Miliband and his family used a ‘deed of variation’ to divide the ownership of the family home in North London.