Lets talk about the Oldham game

[dickos1]

I agree with you both 👍

[selby]

  Seen the relays now, that is a sitter,a poor effort 10 yards out with the goalkeeper to beat, a good save admitted, but a nice height across the keeper, and a reluctance to use his other(left foot) the reason he gave the keeper a chance.
  I am not having that, he should have put it away, I will agree to disagree.
  And the defenders were two yards away,which is a lot of room in the area.

[drfchound]

  Seen the relays now, that is a sitter,a poor effort 10 yards out with the goalkeeper to beat, a good save admitted, but a nice height across the keeper, and a reluctance to use his other(left foot) the reason he gave the keeper a chance.
  I am not having that, he should have put it away, I will agree to disagree.
  And the defenders were two yards away,which is a lot of room in the area.

When our keeper makes a save similar to that it is lauded as a great save.
When an opposition keeper does it, why is it seen to be a bad miss by our player?

[BillyStubbsTears]

At last, a bloody sensible post. Well done 1969!

I keep saying it, the midfield is our main problem. That and the fact that we seem to be content to play anybody at full back, rather than get the right people. Fair enough, Andrew and now Toffolo both injured and Garrett inexperienced but getting better bit by bit. Where is the right back, though?

1) We have 2 injured right backs. Three if you count McCullough.

2) Mason was our best player yesterday.

[ravenrover]

  Seen the relays now, that is a sitter,a poor effort 10 yards out with the goalkeeper to beat, a good save admitted, but a nice height across the keeper, and a reluctance to use his other(left foot) the reason he gave the keeper a chance.
  I am not having that, he should have put it away, I will agree to disagree.
  And the defenders were two yards away,which is a lot of room in the area.

When our keeper makes a save similar to that it is lauded as a great save.
When an opposition keeper does it, why is it seen to be a bad miss by our player?

Because it was Alfie not Liam?

[selby]

  Raven, I hope Alfie scores 3 if he plays next week, I have an opinion that is different to yours, I say my piece, I do not try and make it personnel, and make comments about your opinions or try to belittle you. Why do you, I will ask you a Question, If you have seen Mandeville play in all his games   for the first team, when did you see him miss a chance like that, or the one at Bradford, or the one from Five yards at home to Shrewsbury, answers on the back of a stamp please.
 

[RedJ]

I agree with you both 👍

Bloody hell, stop the presses!

[Alan Southstand]

Billy, please don't tell me you're counting Alcock as a RB. Our lass could do better and she's got 2 dodgy knees! I'm not sure you can count McCullough either, PD seemed to think he'd make one but we all know how that turned out. Who's the other one who is injured?

[BillyStubbsTears]

Blair.

And yes I do count Alcock as a right back. Up until some time in the last 12 months, he was the epitome of unspectacular solidity. I’ve no idea what’s happened to him recently, but he’s a right back that we were happy to have when he signed a contract and we’re still paying a wage to him.

McCullough can do a job there in extremis. Mason can do more than an adequate job there, asyesterday demonstrated.

So we went into the summer with 4 players on the books who could play right back. One of whom had come fourth in the forum’s player of the year vote in our promotion season. But only one was fit yesterday.

How many right backs do you think Bramall should be paying a wage to?

[selby]

  Billy the tackle from behind in the Newcastle friendly did Alcock no good, one of the worst I have seen especially in a friendly. He has not been the same since and seems to have lost a couple of yards in pace.
  Anyway if rumours from my Scunthorpe friends are true, it seems as though I will have to go up the M18 to watch Mandeville play after Christmas

[BillyStubbsTears]

Selby

Of course. I forgot about that injury.

[DonnyOsmond]

Mandeville won't be off to Scunthorpe.

[mushRTID]

Scunthorpe are favourites for Eoin Doyle apparently. No way Mandeville will go there.

[selby]

   I cannot verify or disprove it, just saying what a lad whose son is on their books told me.

[RoversAlias]

  Seen the relays now, that is a sitter,a poor effort 10 yards out with the goalkeeper to beat, a good save admitted, but a nice height across the keeper, and a reluctance to use his other(left foot) the reason he gave the keeper a chance.
  I am not having that, he should have put it away, I will agree to disagree.
  And the defenders were two yards away,which is a lot of room in the area.

Never in a million years is that a sitter.

I feel we will always disagree on this one, but nevermind.

[pib]

Blair.

And yes I do count Alcock as a right back. Up until some time in the last 12 months, he was the epitome of unspectacular solidity. I’ve no idea what’s happened to him recently, but he’s a right back that we were happy to have when he signed a contract and we’re still paying a wage to him.

McCullough can do a job there in extremis. Mason can do more than an adequate job there, asyesterday demonstrated.

So we went into the summer with 4 players on the books who could play right back. One of whom had come fourth in the forum’s player of the year vote in our promotion season. But only one was fit yesterday.

How many right backs do you think Bramall should be paying a wage to?

Anyone who saw McCullough get absolutely torn a new one by Bury's Danny Mayor in the opening game of the 2015-16 season knows he cannot play right back.

Probably explains why he's never been anywhere near that position since.  He categorically can not play there.

[The Red Baron]

   I cannot verify or disprove it, just saying what a lad whose son is on their books told me.

It would be odd if he went to Scunthorpe because he'd get as much game time as he does here. I'd be more worried about someone like Mansfield or Chesterfield coming in for him.

I was told that he and Fergie don't get on, so probably the opportunity for a fresh start could appeal. No doubt he'll be sold for peanuts. Just hope he isn't the next Brian Deane- another young striker who wasn't appreciated by managers.

[BillyStubbsTears]

Blair.

And yes I do count Alcock as a right back. Up until some time in the last 12 months, he was the epitome of unspectacular solidity. I’ve no idea what’s happened to him recently, but he’s a right back that we were happy to have when he signed a contract and we’re still paying a wage to him.

McCullough can do a job there in extremis. Mason can do more than an adequate job there, asyesterday demonstrated.

So we went into the summer with 4 players on the books who could play right back. One of whom had come fourth in the forum’s player of the year vote in our promotion season. But only one was fit yesterday.

How many right backs do you think Bramall should be paying a wage to?

Anyone who saw McCullough get absolutely torn a new one by Bury's Danny Mayor in the opening game of the 2015-16 season knows he cannot play right back.

Probably explains why he's never been anywhere near that position since.  He categorically can not play there.

Strange, that, because I’m sure he played right back for the first 5-6 games of that season before getting injured and missing a couple of months.

[Chris Black come back]

Blair.

And yes I do count Alcock as a right back. Up until some time in the last 12 months, he was the epitome of unspectacular solidity. I’ve no idea what’s happened to him recently, but he’s a right back that we were happy to have when he signed a contract and we’re still paying a wage to him.

McCullough can do a job there in extremis. Mason can do more than an adequate job there, asyesterday demonstrated.

So we went into the summer with 4 players on the books who could play right back. One of whom had come fourth in the forum’s player of the year vote in our promotion season. But only one was fit yesterday.

How many right backs do you think Bramall should be paying a wage to?

Anyone who saw McCullough get absolutely torn a new one by Bury's Danny Mayor in the opening game of the 2015-16 season knows he cannot play right back.

Probably explains why he's never been anywhere near that position since.  He categorically can not play there.

In particular, the current manager doesn’t play with traditional full backs. If you are the poor bas**rd deputed to play right back / wing back for us, you are expected to be as much in final third as in defensive third - so no way on god’s earth can McCullough be expected to go flying down wing and put crosses into box.

A ‘standard’ right back role is just about conceivable - but no way in our current set up.

[selby]

  They do have a history of unearthing goal scorers who have been discarded by other clubs,and selling on at big bucks dont they?
  Sharp,Hooper etc.

[Chris Black come back]

Hayes. Beckford. Dagnall.

[BillyStubbsTears]

Blair.

And yes I do count Alcock as a right back. Up until some time in the last 12 months, he was the epitome of unspectacular solidity. I’ve no idea what’s happened to him recently, but he’s a right back that we were happy to have when he signed a contract and we’re still paying a wage to him.

McCullough can do a job there in extremis. Mason can do more than an adequate job there, asyesterday demonstrated.

So we went into the summer with 4 players on the books who could play right back. One of whom had come fourth in the forum’s player of the year vote in our promotion season. But only one was fit yesterday.

How many right backs do you think Bramall should be paying a wage to?

Anyone who saw McCullough get absolutely torn a new one by Bury's Danny Mayor in the opening game of the 2015-16 season knows he cannot play right back.

Probably explains why he's never been anywhere near that position since.  He categorically can not play there.

In particular, the current manager doesn’t play with traditional full backs. If you are the poor bas**rd deputed to play right back / wing back for us, you are expected to be as much in final third as in defensive third - so no way on god’s earth can McCullough be expected to go flying down wing and put crosses into box.

A ‘standard’ right back role is just about conceivable - but no way in our current set up.

I must have watched a different game on Saturday then because we played with two very conventional full backs.

Anyway, you both seem to have missed me saying that McCullough could be a right back in extremis. Like cover from the bench or after injury in a match. He can fill in there. In extremis.

The point being, as I was saying to Alan before the pair of you piled in, we had 4 players on the books and fit in May/June who could play right back.

[Chris Black come back]

I agree with you that McCullough is a potential reserve option for full back, in extremis.

[pib]

... in just the same way that "in extremis" Alfie May could play there.  He wouldn't be any good but if we had nobody else he could.

My memory of the exact number of appearances LMc made in that position may be slightly hazy (it may have been 3 or 4 thinking about it again) so I'll rephrase - there's very good reason why he hasn't been deployed there since August 2015.  The questionable judgement of the manager who played him there could be said to have been confirmed by his sacking a couple of weeks later.

As for "piling in" - I didn't realise this was private messaging.  I apologise.

[The Red Baron]

I don't know if my memory is playing tricks, but didn't we once line up with McCullough at right back with Quinn and Wakefield in the middle? I think it was against Ipswich on Boxing Day and we got torn a new one.

[ravenrover]

  Raven, I hope Alfie scores 3 if he plays next week, I have an opinion that is different to yours, I say my piece, I do not try and make it personnel, and make comments about your opinions or try to belittle you. Why do you, I will ask you a Question, If you have seen Mandeville play in all his games   for the first team, when did you see him miss a chance like that, or the one at Bradford, or the one from Five yards at home to Shrewsbury, answers on the back of a stamp please.
 

Selby before you get on your high horse, a bit late for that I suppose, in what way do you think my comment was personal? Did I mention you by name? unless of course you consider anyone who doesn't agree about with your opinion of Liam as being personal in their comments. My post was in response to Hound by the way.
Take a look at all your posts this weekend about a forward, other than Liam, missing a chance this weekend did I comment about any of those posts didn't need to as plenty of others did. You need to get over your fixation that Liam is the best thing to happen for us in decades he clearly isn't and at the moment as I have said previously none of our fit forwards are doing it in front of goal and that includes Alfie. JMHO

[selby]

  I wish someone would get me down off this horse, they frighten me to death,the big brutes