Experienced Players

[Alan Southstand]

Nick, I'm well aware of that. You're missing the point - the discussion veered onto what the bookies think of our chances this season. All I'm saying is, they had Shrewsbury down for relegation and, as things turned out last season, they couldn't have been more wrong.

That's the point I was making and, similarly with where we are currently with our recruitment, it's a no-brainer for them! Bury, as you pointed out, were the highest recruiters last summer but Shrewsbury were right behind them in second for the number of signings made. What works for one team doesn't necessarily follow for another one. Going on this summer's recruitment, if number of signings means success, then Peterborough have already won it, but the bookies think differently!

[Cantley Rover]

You do realise that 1) there are VSC members on this thread that share your point of view and 2) there are non-members of the VSC on this thread that don't?

He doesn't care. It's just the same thing over and over again until someone bites and gives him some attention.

Maybe he does care. He obviously doesn't just accept everything in the garden is rosey and it will all turn out all right in the end. Unlike some on here.

[idler]

You do realise that 1) there are VSC members on this thread that share your point of view and 2) there are non-members of the VSC on this thread that don't?

He doesn't care. It's just the same thing over and over again until someone bites and gives him some attention.

Maybe he does care. He obviously doesn't just accept everything in the garden is rosey and it will all turn out all right in the end. Unlike some on here.

What about those that care just as much but have a bit more patience?
I am a bit apprehensive about next season but see no need to panic just yet. The next couple of weeks are pivotal and I hope that the club are working behind the scenes to strengthen our team. Only time will tell.

[Cantley Rover]

You do realise that 1) there are VSC members on this thread that share your point of view and 2) there are non-members of the VSC on this thread that don't?

He doesn't care. It's just the same thing over and over again until someone bites and gives him some attention.

Maybe he does care. He obviously doesn't just accept everything in the garden is rosey and it will all turn out all right in the end. Unlike some on here.

What about those that care just as much but have a bit more patience?
I am a bit apprehensive about next season but see no need to panic just yet. The next couple of weeks are pivotal and I hope that the club are working behind the scenes to strengthen our team. Only time will tell.

I think we all hope that. Time will certainly tell but the signs aren't great.

[wing commander]

The VSC can keep on peddling the same old crap defending everything the board do, but they can’t fool or lie to 15 bookies sites that know better and predict we will be lower next season than last season. I don’t care that the window is not closed,  as I am confident the predictions will not change much. Sensible fans know we will not spend enough and what we have brought in is no better than what we had last season, which is why the subject keeps coming up and will continue to.
 Peddle your garbage to people stupid enough to believe you.

https://www.oddschecker.com/football/english/league-1/promotion

   What absolute drivel..There are a few posters on this board who moan about the vsc biased with the board,complaining about the balance of there posts..Yet in all the years I've been on here, I can't remember a single positive comment from any of them...Sometimes I genuinely wonder if they are happier when they think things are going wrong..

    Here again a football genius confidentally predicts that the players we've signed are no better than the ones who left (who hardly had a kick last year anyway) before he has even seen them kick a ball or know anything about them,and he backs that up with Bookies odds..You couldn't make it up..

    I had a 14-1 winner at the weekend,the bookies said it had little chance but it won,and I also had Spain and Brazil in the world cup,the bookies said I was on a winner, and my bet was down early...It works both ways that argument if you feel the need to manipulate it..

    My own view,not endorsed by the vsc,board or the doomsayers is that we will do better than people think,I do expect at least one more tough midfield player to come in..I used to think our players were not as good as people think but I now believe that Ferguson never really got the best out of them tactically..These additions might be the key that unlocks that, with a bit more pace and creativety which was needed...

  Like every time of this stage of every pre season,i'm excited about the season starting again whatever awaits...And I feel sorry for those of you who are sat there hoping we fail so you can feel the same excitement moaning about it on here...

[vaya]

You do realise that 1) there are VSC members on this thread that share your point of view and 2) there are non-members of the VSC on this thread that don't?

He doesn't care. It's just the same thing over and over again until someone bites and gives him some attention.

Maybe he does care. He obviously doesn't just accept everything in the garden is rosey and it will all turn out all right in the end. Unlike some on here.

I haven't indicated if I agree with him or not CR.

Whether I believe him is an entirely different matter.

[Cantley Rover]

You do realise that 1) there are VSC members on this thread that share your point of view and 2) there are non-members of the VSC on this thread that don't?

He doesn't care. It's just the same thing over and over again until someone bites and gives him some attention.

Maybe he does care. He obviously doesn't just accept everything in the garden is rosey and it will all turn out all right in the end. Unlike some on here.

I haven't indicated if I agree with him or not CR.

Whether I believe him is an entirely different matter.

My reply wasn't aimed at you vaya. They're are some people on here (some might say yes men) however who seem to think that if anyone disagrees with their opinion they don't care.

[wing commander]

   The thing is Cantley people would react better to there opinions if they were balanced..You can't just keep hammering the club,players,board vsc post after post,year in year out and expect people to believe they do care,because it becomes hard to believe...
   

[Glyn_Wigley]

All the predictable responses from the usual VSC bunch saying the bookies have no idea. Everyone has no idea but them.

The bookies don't base their odds on probability. The base their odds on making a profit.

[ravenrover]

The odds for us winning promotion must be fantastic at the moment then, time to make my annual trip to the bookies I don’t mnd giving the my 50p they have famies to feed as well you know

[Cantley Rover]

   The thing is Cantley people would react better to there opinions if they were balanced..You can't just keep hammering the club,players,board vsc post after post,year in year out and expect people to believe they do care,because it becomes hard to believe...
   

Do you really think any Rovers fans who post on here doesn't care?

[Michael Shaw]

If you say you are disappointed now they will say wait until the window is closed to see who we get.
If you wait until the window is closed they will say give the team a chance until the Xmas window and they haven't yet gelled as a team.

There is always a stock answer on this site.

[Glyn_Wigley]

There have to be stock answers to deal with the stock whinges.

[scawsby steve]

Last year, the bookies must have taken no notice of the fact that Shrewsbury had signed/loaned 11 players at the start of the season and, come Christmas, still had something in the pot to go and sign 4 or 5 more.
They didn't quite make it, but that is the best they've done for quite some time. Was it them 'doing a Leicester' or not, only time will tell.

Signing players doesn’t go hand in hand with success though does it? How many players did Bury sign last summer only to get relegated?

Dead right Nick, and not only the numbers, most of them were big names for this level, and would have been on big wages.

[Alan Southstand]

Steve, note my follow up at the top of this page

[Cantley Rover]

If you say you are disappointed now they will say wait until the window is closed to see who we get.
If you wait until the window is closed they will say give the team a chance until the Xmas window and they haven't yet gelled as a team.

There is always a stock answer on this site.

And more often than not its from the usual suspects.

[NickDRFC]

Nick, I'm well aware of that. You're missing the point - the discussion veered onto what the bookies think of our chances this season. All I'm saying is, they had Shrewsbury down for relegation and, as things turned out last season, they couldn't have been more wrong.

That's the point I was making and, similarly with where we are currently with our recruitment, it's a no-brainer for them! Bury, as you pointed out, were the highest recruiters last summer but Shrewsbury were right behind them in second for the number of signings made. What works for one team doesn't necessarily follow for another one. Going on this summer's recruitment, if number of signings means success, then Peterborough have already won it, but the bookies think differently!

Sorry Alan I must have misunderstood what you wrote - you’re post on me read that Shrewsbury should have been more favoured by the bookies because they had signed a large number of players. Thanks for clarifying.

[Al4475]

Define 'experienced' players - does it mean 30+ year old has beens who have played at a good level and dropped down to finish their careers a la the pointer, freebies who have played lots of games but who can still offer a la paynter or a mid twenties player from the lower leagues with loads of games under his belt - a la blair.

Sometimes they work, sometimes they don't - much like all prospective players. SO'D took a bunch of talented experienced journeymen whom he knew and respected to echelons unheard of for us or them, Saunders took a bunch of big name experienced players to oblivion!

Where's the line between experienced and not experienced or successful or unsuccessful.

It's early days for mccann and the current Rovers crop.

Maybe folk should just have a little patience and see what transpires!

[ravenrover]

If you say you are disappointed now they will say wait until the window is closed to see who we get.
If you wait until the window is closed they will say give the team a chance until the Xmas window and they haven't yet gelled as a team.

There is always a stock answer on this site.

Have you lost your road map for Barnsley?

[Michael Shaw]

Why road map for Barnsley?  I have only ever been to Barnsley town once and I was not impressed. I have never been to Oakwell in my life. But you can't deny that Barnsley have been more successful than Doncaster over the last 30 years.   
I have the Owls and Blades on my doorstep if I want to see Championship quality football.
If DRFC want to implode with a low budget and poor signings, and ignoring the fans that do care, that's fine by me if that's how it is. I am sure sarcasm will fix it all instead of putting out a quality team when the season starts.
It's a shame all the same as someone who does care.

[RedJ]

What exactly are they doing to ignore fans, then?

We have more input than the vast majority of fans in the country.

[StocktonRover]

Why road map for Barnsley?  I have only ever been to Barnsley town once and I was not impressed. I have never been to Oakwell in my life. But you can't deny that Barnsley have been more successful than Doncaster over the last 30 years.   
I have the Owls and Blades on my doorstep if I want to see Championship quality football.
If DRFC want to implode with a low budget and poor signings, and ignoring the fans that do care, that's fine by me if that's how it is. I am sure sarcasm will fix it all instead of putting out a quality team when the season starts.
It's a shame all the same as someone who does care.

Such an opinionated and knowledgable Rovers fan who has never been to Oakwell - really?

[Cantley Rover]

All the predictable responses from the usual VSC bunch saying the bookies have no idea. Everyone has no idea but them.

The bookies don't base their odds on probability. The base their odds on making a profit.

Don't know much about betting and bookies do you Glyn.

[Glyn_Wigley]

All the predictable responses from the usual VSC bunch saying the bookies have no idea. Everyone has no idea but them.

The bookies don't base their odds on probability. The base their odds on making a profit.

Don't know much about betting and bookies do you Glyn.

Yes I do, I used to audit their Betting Duty declarations for Customs & Excise. We had to know how they operated inside out so that we could use reconciliation techniques to know when they were hiding profits and underdeclaring the Duty.

Don't know much about what I know about do you Cantley Rover.

[Cantley Rover]

All the predictable responses from the usual VSC bunch saying the bookies have no idea. Everyone has no idea but them.

The bookies don't base their odds on probability. The base their odds on making a profit.

Don't know much about betting and bookies do you Glyn.

Yes I do, I used to audit their Betting Duty declarations for Customs & Excise. We had to know how they operated inside out so that we could use reconciliation techniques to know when they were hiding profits and underdeclaring the Duty.

Don't know much about what I know about do you Cantley Rover.

You certainly don't know a great deal about how odds are set.

[Glyn_Wigley]

All the predictable responses from the usual VSC bunch saying the bookies have no idea. Everyone has no idea but them.

The bookies don't base their odds on probability. The base their odds on making a profit.

Don't know much about betting and bookies do you Glyn.

Yes I do, I used to audit their Betting Duty declarations for Customs & Excise. We had to know how they operated inside out so that we could use reconciliation techniques to know when they were hiding profits and underdeclaring the Duty.

Don't know much about what I know about do you Cantley Rover.

You certainly don't know a great deal about how odds are set.

But I know why they change. And it's nothing to do with something being more or less likely.