Frank field

[wilts rover]

Ahh, the meaningless polls are the ones that have the results you don't like but the meaningful ones are the ones you do, gotcha.

Yes Corbyn has had a lot of media exposure, so much so that an official complaint has gone in to IPSO, and dont be fooled that any other left leaning leader wont too. Its not Corbyn they hate, its the threat to clamp down on billionaire tax exiles and fat cat pay. What effect has all the negative stories had on Labour's rating btw?

[BillyStubbsTears]

No Wilts. Not my opinion. 

See, I have this policy that when I don't know much about a topic, I listen to people who spend their careers analysing the topic. Quaintly old fashioned I'll admit.

Here's Anthony Wells from YouGov.
"If you ask how people would vote with x, y or z as leader, or if people would be more or less likely to vote Labour with each candidate as leader then you are getting a little closer, but the problem is still that people are expected to answer a question about how they would vote with the candidates as leader when the general public know hardly anything about them. A fair old chunk won’t even know the candidates names or what they look like, the majority will have little real idea what policies they will put forward. None of us really know how they will work out as leader, what the public, press and political reaction will be, how they will really operate. How can respondents really judge how they would vote in a hypothetical situation with so little information? They can’t."

http://ukpollingreport.co.uk/blog/archives/9468

[BillyStubbsTears]

By the way, I don't know what effect negative stories have had, but I do know that Labour's polling average has dropped by about 4-5% this year with the biggest drop coming when Corbyn effectively took Russia's side in the Salisbury incident.

Yet another self-inflicted wound on the foreign picture front.

Since then, Labour have been behind the Tories in something like 80% of the polls, despite the Govt being in the biggest hole of any post-War administration.

Still, you'll be able to console yourself that it's all the fault of the papers. Just like I did throughout the 80s and early 90s.

The thing is, this is the best chance in my lifetime for a Govt with a genuinely left-wing domestic policy to get power. I'll admit that I didn't see the Tory party becoming quite so dysfunctional as they have done. And that gives Corbyn a HUGE advantage. And his domestic policies ARE popular. But I can see it all being pissed away because of his inability to put the navel gazing student politics debates on Russia and on anti-semitism to bed.

And there's a frustration building on the front benches. See McDonnell's and Thornberry's comments over the weekend urging Labour (read: Corbyn) to put the bloody anti-semitism issue to bed. If stupid indulgences like that do end up losing Labour the next election it will be a once in a life chance gone.

[The Red Baron]

I saw Thornberry on something the other day and was quite impressed. Previously she had struck me as the sort of politician who is too far up herself (plenty of those on all sides) but she seemed to have a good grasp of reality.

[tommy toes]

Yes if you can get past her sneering demeanor she does talk some sense.

[Dutch Uncle]

TRB

Comparisons between Labour's support with (a well-known) Corbyn or with (barely known) hypothetical replacements are pointless.

The link I posted says that only 54% of voters knew who Cooper was, and only 39% knew who Umunna was. Whereas 94% knew Corbyn. So asking them if they'd be more likely to vote Labour with Umunna or Cooper in charge is an utterly pointless question.

In exactly the same way that someone asked the British populace about leaving the EU...

Sorry wrong thread 

[MachoMadness]

TRB

Comparisons between Labour's support with (a well-known) Corbyn or with (barely known) hypothetical replacements are pointless.

The link I posted says that only 54% of voters knew who Cooper was, and only 39% knew who Umunna was. Whereas 94% knew Corbyn. So asking them if they'd be more likely to vote Labour with Umunna or Cooper in charge is an utterly pointless question.

In exactly the same way that someone asked the British populace about leaving the EU...

Sorry wrong thread 

Not the wrong thread at all Dutch. Eventually, every thread becomes the Brexit thread!

[RedJ]

Wonder what the budget will look like after...

[MachoMadness]

Wonder what the budget will look like after...

At least we've moved on from talking about how many chips they give you at the Keepmoat.

[BillyStubbsTears]

I was thoroughly underwhelmed by Thornberry in the last Election. She put in an awful performance in one interview where she had no grasp of the detail of a policy she was presenting, then, when questioned hard by the interviewer she played the "is it because I is a woman?" card. Dreadful.

I've not really noticed her much lately but I gather she's the favourite to replace Corbyn. If so, I hope you're right that she's improved markedly TRB.

[Bentley Bullet]

what's wrong with Diane Abbott like?

[wilts rover]

Oh all right then seeing as no-one else will post it. After a summer of chaos and infighting this is how far Labour are behind in the latest poll out today

[BillyStubbsTears]

That's very silly Wilts.

Firstly, you might factor in that the Tories have also been in chaos. What was the last time someone as senior as a Foreign Secretary resigned and started firing shots at the PM? It happens once a generation and it signifies a governing party in chaos. Last time it happened was 1990 when Geoffrey How'd resigned as Deputy PM and attacked Thatcher. Labour were 15-20% ahead in the polls then. And they still lost 18 months later.

Secondly, it's  one poll. You don't ever go on one poll because they have margins if error of typically +/-3%.

So that poll is saying there's 95% confidence that Labour are between 38-44% and the Tories are between 34-40%.

So you look at the trend.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Opinion_polling_for_the_next_United_Kingdom_general_election

The trend is saying that it's currently about neck and neck. And the reason the Tories aren't currently 5-6% ahead is not because of Labour being strong. It's because UKIP have risen.

Stop and think about that. .

The worst PM in a century.

The biggest crisis for 80 years.

A Tory party tearing itself apart and bereft of ideas as to how to address the crisis.

Those are the conditions where you expect a Govt in waiting to be 25% ahead in the polls.

And the best Labour can do is to be neck and neck.

Do you think Labour might have an electability issue?

[hoolahoop]

Oh all right then seeing as no-one else will post it. After a summer of chaos and infighting this is how far Labour are behind in the latest poll out today

UKIP have doubled their % in under a week presumably to the detriment of the Lib/ Dems who have fallen 4 % in the same period .

If there were an election and Labour were thinking about outright victory or being the largest Party they can't do that unless there is a Lib/ Dem revival to strip the Tories of seats where they ( L/ Dems ) are the only realistic challengers . I'm thinking of London, the South West , Scotland and some rural areas

[The Red Baron]

I was thoroughly underwhelmed by Thornberry in the last Election. She put in an awful performance in one interview where she had no grasp of the detail of a policy she was presenting, then, when questioned hard by the interviewer she played the "is it because I is a woman?" card. Dreadful.

I've not really noticed her much lately but I gather she's the favourite to replace Corbyn. If so, I hope you're right that she's improved markedly TRB.

It must be said that the panel she was on wasn't very hostile but she was a big improvement on the last GE where she managed to come over as patronising. I can see how she might be Labour leader, because although she's not from the Corbynite Left, she has managed to keep onside with them.

[hoolahoop]

Oh all right then seeing as no-one else will post it. After a summer of chaos and infighting this is how far Labour are behind in the latest poll out today

UKIP have doubled their % in under a week presumably to the detriment of the Lib/ Dems who have fallen 4 % in the same period .

If there were an election and Labour were thinking about outright victory or being the largest Party they can't do that unless there is a Lib/ Dem revival to strip the Tories of seats where they ( L/ Dems ) are the only realistic challengers . I'm thinking of London, the South West , Scotland and some rural areas

I can't see Lib/ Dem voters going to UKIP somehow - all other recent polls have them on 9-11% .

[RedJ]

Oh all right then seeing as no-one else will post it. After a summer of chaos and infighting this is how far Labour are behind in the latest poll out today

UKIP have doubled their % in under a week presumably to the detriment of the Lib/ Dems who have fallen 4 % in the same period .

If there were an election and Labour were thinking about outright victory or being the largest Party they can't do that unless there is a Lib/ Dem revival to strip the Tories of seats where they ( L/ Dems ) are the only realistic challengers . I'm thinking of London, the South West , Scotland and some rural areas

I can't see Lib/ Dem voters going to UKIP somehow - all other recent polls have them on 9-11% .

...I may have misread this but.. are you disagreeing with your own post there hoola? I'm confused.

[hoolahoop]

Oh all right then seeing as no-one else will post it. After a summer of chaos and infighting this is how far Labour are behind in the latest poll out today

UKIP have doubled their % in under a week presumably to the detriment of the Lib/ Dems who have fallen 4 % in the same period .

If there were an election and Labour were thinking about outright victory or being the largest Party they can't do that unless there is a Lib/ Dem revival to strip the Tories of seats where they ( L/ Dems ) are the only realistic challengers . I'm thinking of London, the South West , Scotland and some rural areas

I can't see Lib/ Dem voters going to UKIP somehow - all other recent polls have them on 9-11% .

...I may have misread this but.. are you disagreeing with your own post there hoola? I'm confused.

No you are quite right RJ  , I'm still trying to understand how the Lib/Dem vote has dropped so drastically  and gone to UKIP - it doesnt make sense the dafter Brexit becomes the more the already fragile L/ Dem vote becomes . Its a topsy- turvy world and I'm wondering just how much more of Alice's medicine we all need to take to make sense of it all !

My comment still stands this poll doesn't seem right when taken as a comparison to all other polls ( YouGov has them on 11% on 7/9 )

 

[BillyStubbsTears]

Hoola

Individual polls are meaningless. They have margins of error. The most likley explanation is that this one is at the exteme of high UKIP and low LD.

[scawsby steve]

I thought this thread was about Frank Field; for what it's worth I thought his best hit was "She taught me to yodel".

Oh sorry guys, that was Frank Ifield.

[idler]

I thought this thread was about Frank Field; for what it's worth I thought his best hit was "She taught me to yodel".

Oh sorry guys, that was Frank Ifield.

I think that BB might be contacting you about plagurism Steve.😉

[scawsby steve]

I thought this thread was about Frank Field; for what it's worth I thought his best hit was "She taught me to yodel".

Oh sorry guys, that was Frank Ifield.

I think that BB might be contacting you about plagurism Steve.😉

Dear me, I completely missed that Idler; BB will have me for copyright infringements; I'll have to change it to "I remember you".