Playing out

[scawsby steve]

Ever since the new rule was introduced concerning goal kicks, all teams, including Premier League and international sides, are playing out from within their own penalty areas, and not just at goal kicks. It's a f*cking disaster waiting to happen every time, and often does happen, even at top level.

When players are in space in or around the area, fair enough, but tip-tapping about in your own 6 yard box with opposing forwards bearing down on you; no, not for me.

It will continually get punished at all levels while ever teams keep doing it.

[sedwardsdrfc]

it's an advantage to the team out of possession imo. They can just wait ready to steam in then players in possession have already got their heads down. i don't mind playing out but we have to be smart enough to realise when it plays into the oppositions hands and then play safe.

[Prez]

Because Pep is doing at City everyone is trying to copy him. That"s fine if you have the players to do it.
Thing is most teams don"t and that includes us.

It was criminal today, it was obvious after 20 mins Burton were pressing high. Disaster waiting to happen, yet we persisted with it. A lucky point in the end.

[jmt23]

Lets be honest, it was always going to happen with Dieng, he is ultra confident with the ball at his feet, but over estimates the ability of our back four.
It is the first time this has happened, and the crowds reaction was over the top, but came from the frustration of the team performance.
Burton did a job on us, and probably deserved more than they got. That is as poor as I have seen this season....but we never lost.

[sedwardsdrfc]

Because Pep is doing at City everyone is trying to copy him. That"s fine if you have the players to do it.
Thing is most teams don"t and that includes us.

It was criminal today, it was obvious after 20 mins Burton were pressing high. Disaster waiting to happen, yet we persisted with it. A lucky point in the end.

City often go long because they draw teams in who look to press then short pass leaving them one on one up front. Helps that their keeper can kick the ball ridiculously far but the tactic works. Ennis scored a similar style goal for us earlier in the season when Lawlor went long and he isolated their defence.

[dickos1]

It’s one of the things the West Brom fans mentioned about Moore’s reign there
Although they blamed jones

[since-1969]

Playing out from the back was what Burton  wanted us to do , so they play a high pressing game and they very nearly took all three points . Danniels  got caught  too many times  in possession and that’s why  conceding the penalty . Imo Joe Wright should have came on and played 5 at the back when Shelf  went off .

DM isn’t infallible and didn’t read the tactics of Burton Team  and even after the game wouldn’t admit that the players looked uncomfortable constantly playing it around at the back when they were under pressure to get the ball forward where it could have released to help Taylor and Copps to create chances . We don’t look cool when teams pressure us in our box  and often it’s  just luck of the bounce when constantly pressing and we get out from the back . I’m not advocating a long ball , but when teams play a high pressing game THEY leave spaces for our players to get into and that’s where a plan B is definitely needed.

[dickos1]

It’s one of the things the West Brom fans mentioned about Moore’s reign there
Although they blamed jones

[drfchound]

Playing out from the back was what Burton  wanted us to do , so they play a high pressing game and they very nearly took all three points . Danniels  got caught  too many times  in possession and that’s why  conceding the penalty . Imo Joe Wright should have came on and played 5 at the back when Shelf  went off .

DM isn’t infallible and didn’t read the tactics of Burton Team  and even after the game wouldn’t admit that the players looked uncomfortable constantly playing it around at the back when they were under pressure to get the ball forward where it could have released to help Taylor and Copps to create chances . We don’t look cool when teams pressure us in our box  and often it’s  just luck of the bounce when constantly pressing and we get out from the back . I’m not advocating a long ball , but when teams play a high pressing game THEY leave spaces for our players to get into and that’s where a plan B is definitely needed.

Although it looks dangerous, and it is at times, the crowd make it seem worse than it is.
As for Daniels, I can only recall the one time that he was caught in possession.

Some credit has to go to Burton today for making it hard for us.
They are a very good team and Clough game plan worked well for them.

[scawsby steve]

Playing out from the back was what Burton  wanted us to do , so they play a high pressing game and they very nearly took all three points . Danniels  got caught  too many times  in possession and that’s why  conceding the penalty . Imo Joe Wright should have came on and played 5 at the back when Shelf  went off .

DM isn’t infallible and didn’t read the tactics of Burton Team  and even after the game wouldn’t admit that the players looked uncomfortable constantly playing it around at the back when they were under pressure to get the ball forward where it could have released to help Taylor and Copps to create chances . We don’t look cool when teams pressure us in our box  and often it’s  just luck of the bounce when constantly pressing and we get out from the back . I’m not advocating a long ball , but when teams play a high pressing game THEY leave spaces for our players to get into and that’s where a plan B is definitely needed.

Although it looks dangerous, and it is at times, the crowd make it seem worse than it is.
As for Daniels, I can only recall the one time that he was caught in possession.

Some credit has to go to Burton today for making it hard for us.
They are a very good team and Clough game plan worked well for them.

I agree that they played well Hound, but we played awful today. The defence was a shambles. For their first goal, 3 of our players looked at each other, waiting for one to clear it. The less said about the second goal the better, and it wasn't the first time Daniels had been caught in possession; Whiteman visibly b*llocked him in the first half for the same thing.

In the second half, our midfield went AWOL, and they overrun us.

Let's face it, it was a bad day at the office, and we were lucky to get a point.

[sedwardsdrfc]

I know we've got Moore and hopefully he stays a long time but if he does get poached i'd hope Clough is on our list to approach

[drfchound]

I know we've got Moore and hopefully he stays a long time but if he does get poached i'd hope Clough is on our list to approach

Much the same as I said after the match today.

[adamtherover]

See my post "fannying about at the back " on about the 2nd weekend of the season.   Apparently according to some, once they perfect it, it will he wonderful and enjoy to watch.. etc...  erm... what about till then?   All it does it make defenses nervous and Crowds even more nervous. If the england side cant do it, then jeez...  league one sides should know their place!!!!!! We are not Barcelona!!!!!
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[drfchound]

All journeys begin with just one step.

[POD]

It was up to Moore to change the tactics at half time and he failed to do so.  From the first minute of the second half, Daniels was still asking for the ball from Dieng in his own penalty area when he clearly hadn’t got the ability to play out - because he was being told to do so.  Burton played a great tactical game and pressed us high and waited for the inevitable mistakes.  Other teams will not press so high and it will be OK to play out from the back, but today it was obvious that sticking to this tactic was the wrong move and as others have said, we were lucky to come away with a point. 

[Al4475]

Bizarrely I didn't see it like that - at no time today did I feel rovers were likely to lose - as the game panned out I also didn't feel like they'd done enough to win. Funny how folk see things differently - but I s'pose not going week in week out means I p'haps don't know how good we have been this season and how today's performance differed from the norm.

[since-1969]

Bizarrely I didn't see it like that - at no time today did I feel rovers were likely to lose - as the game panned out I also didn't feel like they'd done enough to win. Funny how folk see things differently - but I s'pose not going week in week out means I p'haps don't know how good we have been this season and how today's performance differed from the norm.

Rovers could have been 0-2 before they finally scored .

[chrisd_123]

Playing out from the back was what Burton  wanted us to do , so they play a high pressing game and they very nearly took all three points . Danniels  got caught  too many times  in possession and that’s why  conceding the penalty . Imo Joe Wright should have came on and played 5 at the back when Shelf  went off .

DM isn’t infallible and didn’t read the tactics of Burton Team  and even after the game wouldn’t admit that the players looked uncomfortable constantly playing it around at the back when they were under pressure to get the ball forward where it could have released to help Taylor and Copps to create chances . We don’t look cool when teams pressure us in our box  and often it’s  just luck of the bounce when constantly pressing and we get out from the back . I’m not advocating a long ball , but when teams play a high pressing game THEY leave spaces for our players to get into and that’s where a plan B is definitely needed.

Although it looks dangerous, and it is at times, the crowd make it seem worse than it is.
As for Daniels, I can only recall the one time that he was caught in possession.

Some credit has to go to Burton today for making it hard for us.
They are a very good team and Clough game plan worked well for them.

I agree that they played well Hound, but we played awful today. The defence was a shambles. For their first goal, 3 of our players looked at each other, waiting for one to clear it. The less said about the second goal the better, and it wasn't the first time Daniels had been caught in possession; Whiteman visibly b*llocked him in the first half for the same thing.

In the second half, our midfield went AWOL, and they overrun us.

Let's face it, it was a bad day at the office, and we were lucky to get a point.

It was harsh to have a go at Daniels when he was given suicidal passes with a midfield in front of him not giving any options.

As much as Whiteman is our best player, he was average at best yesterday. He bollocked Daniels but he was one of many at fault for offering no alternative.

[Chris Black come back]

Clough pressed us very hard upfield and we struggled to find a way through this. The same happened away at Oxford United. Now we have the big lad Thomas upfront we should look to vary our distribution and go long to him if they are pressing so hard upfield.

[The Red Baron]

Fine to play out from the back, but you have to be smart at it. If a team presses high, like Burton did, you have to go longer. Thomas does give us the opportunity to do that and I thought he grew into the game yesterday. However, you need to get one of the three who play behind him to play a lot closer to him. Otherwise any balls he wins will be hoovered up by the defence.

[ravenrover]

Ever since the new rule was introduced concerning goal kicks, all teams, including Premier League and international sides, are playing out from within their own penalty areas, and not just at goal kicks. It's a f*cking disaster waiting to happen every time, and often does happen, even at top level.

When players are in space in or around the area, fair enough, but tip-tapping about in your own 6 yard box with opposing forwards bearing down on you; no, not for me.

It will continually get punished at all levels while ever teams keep doing it.

GERRITFORRARD !🤣

[DonnyBazR0ver]

When it works for the most part it's fine and we've been doing it for most of the season and it tends to go unnoticed however, when it goes wrong, in some folks eyes it's the wrong tactic. No, it's the right way to play however, when players have off games and make individual mistakes of course it's going to look bad.

When it works it's because both midfield and wide men provide options. You have to believe in your team mates and can't assume they're going to cock up otherwise it will fall apart more often than not.

At times yesterday, players were not finding the space to make options. You also need the forward players to find space or make runs for the longer ball either on the deck or in the air.

Of course players have to take responsibility to do the right things at the right time however, we have to accept things might not always come off. There have been a number of games where we have dominated and cut through like a knife through butter. We can't do that unless we stick to the way DM wants to play.