How Thick is Dominic Raab?

[BigH]

According to this d***head, Northern Ireland stands to get a 'cracking deal' because it would include frictionless access to the single market.

Unlike the rest of the UK which stands to lose it.

Give me strength.

[BillyStubbsTears]

I was just about to post the same thing.

And STILL folk will support this deal.

[Donnywolf]

If you mean MPs well yes they will BUT lets hope not enough of them

Watch for an odd billion or two going to the DUP tomorrow - and as I said the other day their 292000 voters could all retire on what they have been awarded so far

GOD I really hope Johnson loses this vote just to see Raab Gove Leadsom Baker and all the other substandard Politicians NOT get chance to gloat after presiding over this complete s**t storm

[BigH]

Watch also for an overnight social media diatribe targeted at certain MPs.

Something along the lines of 'vote for this and the pain will end'.

I imagine that female MPs will be particularly susceptible. Melanie Onn's already tipped over. Will be interesting to see who flips.

[bpoolrover]

Wait for the remainers target football forums😉

[SydneyRover]

If you're on fb you will have already rec'd your poison from the tories

[BigH]

Wait for the remainers target football forums😉

Hardly rich pickings on here Blackpool...unless you're Lisa Nandy in disguise!?

[bpoolrover]

If you're on fb you will have already rec'd your poison from the tories

I would think it depends what sort of things you look at on fb I’ve not seen anything off any party

[Donnywolf]

... and lets face it WE the electorate count for nothing and indeed cannot really affect todays result. Thats down to each individual MP 

Sure I could email text or communicate by smoke signals to my MP and she will still say I have to vote to honour what my Constituent wanted back in 2016

[SydneyRover]

DW, if you read my post: Reply #4882 on October 18 (brexit deal thread) 2019 in depth research shows that most Labour supporters voted for remain even on the leave seats.

[bpoolrover]

There were supposedly between 3 and 5 million labour voters that voted leave if its nearer the 5 it’s quite a fair chunk

[wilts rover]

According to this d***head, Northern Ireland stands to get a 'cracking deal' because it would include frictionless access to the single market.

Unlike the rest of the UK which stands to lose it.

Give me strength.

I thought this was hilarious. Not least because Rabb was one of the MP's telling the ERG that the deal was not all it seemed as it as actually a route to no deal!

https://twitter.com/tnewtondunn/status/1185166530490916872

So the same day, the same senior Tory MP is telling completely different things to different people. And people support these charlatans!!!!!

[Donnywolf]

They (the supporters of these charlatans) will see just what they want to see.

Some may have changed their minds though - along with Remainers now wanting to Leave but we will probably never know

[foxbat]

twitter full of examples of leave voters now wanting to remain ,
and it isn't easy to admit you were conned.

the odd couple of supposed remainers wanting to leave , that I have seen,
were soon exposed as ukip/brextit members trying even more lies.

[bpoolrover]

So people who say they were remain but now have changed to leave are liars but the other way on twitter is genuine? Do you no how sad that sounds?

[bpoolrover]

Fox bat forget people on tv twitter fb, just go off people you no, ask them if they would change there vote, they quite possibly would but the people I speak to wouldn’t, it’s very easy to go on Twitter or any social media and say you have and I’m sure it has both ways but in the real world have many of your friends changed there mind?

[Donnywolf]

I dont have to ask anybody personally to get a "feel" for what is happening - they keep interviewing loads on Telly - and they post on places like this,Facebook.Twitter etc

Many many people on both sides have changed their minds - and being objective - there are more who now want to "remain" than those who have been saying "leave".

However I cant prove it and neither can anyone else so it should be settled by simply asking again. I personally cant see what would be wrong after 3 years when people may have changed their minds either way - and both Leavers and Remainers have died or moved out of the Country - and new Voters have come on the scene to settle it once and for all

If MPs who all say they want to settle it once and for all were to agree to put Johnsons deal to a Peoples Vote with a second Option to leave then we would know

Johnsons deal - accept and leave
Remain - stay and get our Tellies back -  what the hell DID we talk about before this ?

[big fat yorkshire pudding]

twitter full of examples of leave voters now wanting to remain ,
and it isn't easy to admit you were conned.

the odd couple of supposed remainers wanting to leave , that I have seen,
were soon exposed as ukip/brextit members trying even more lies.

We have discussed this numerous times on here. Social media is a terrible gauge.

1. It often means you see what you believe only, either that or drfc are a huge club....

2. You cannot trust accounts on any side unless they are official and nor should you, something that needs international legislation.  Ironically a thing the eu would be really useful for and I'm sure they'll do it.

3. If you followed social media in the last election or the eu vote, the opposite.results seem inevitable, they didnt happen.  Why is that?  The left are typically much more vocal and politically active in my experience.

[BillyStubbsTears]

BFYP

I think you are a bit behind the times on what constitutes "politically active".

Yes, the Left tends to debate facts.

Meanwhile, the Right is using social media microtargetting to identify vulnerable potential voters and send bespoke lies to their feeds.

The fact that you don't see that happening is precisely the point. They are not trying to engage in an open debate. They are trying to enrage the marginalised and isolated.

[foxbat]

what I find sad is that the lies are so obviously wrong that schookkids can see they are sh1te.

[Donnywolf]

I just find it strange that the standards of political life and how people percieve what they say are so really different now

Johnson has told blatant openly seen straight lies and yet he is allowed to go ahead unchallenged AND furthermore his "rating / poularity" is unaffected

Unbelievable Jeff !

[selby]

   One answer to the original question could be not as thick as Jo Swinson who actually forgot to announce a vested interest in her husbands company grant of £ 3.5 million from the EU the forgetful devil. Or the fact that our payments to remain a member of the EU will go up significantly shortly as the rebate Thatcher agreed comes to an end, and is getting no publicity, unless of course they all agree to retain it.

[wilts rover]

   One answer to the original question could be not as thick as Jo Swinson who actually forgot to announce a vested interest in her husbands company grant of £ 3.5 million from the EU the forgetful devil. Or the fact that our payments to remain a member of the EU will go up significantly shortly as the rebate Thatcher agreed comes to an end, and is getting no publicity, unless of course they all agree to retain it.

You are correct in that the rebate Thatcher and Blair negotiated has to be renewed every 7 years. However it would be very difficult, if not impossible, for the other countries to scrap it as Britain would have a veto on this. So our payments would be unlikely to go up significantly - unless our government wanted them to.

[selby]

  Wilts, I think you will find that the rebate will not be carried on if we extend our stay after 2020 and the EU are looking to abolish all veto's on taxation matters anyway, which I am not certain but think were time limited in the Lisbon treaty.
 It will increase our contributions by roughly £4.5 billion a year, which I am sure the eastern European partners we have will put to good use with your undoubted blessing.

[bpoolrover]

I just find it strange that the standards of political life and how people percieve what they say are so really different now

Johnson has told blatant openly seen straight lies and yet he is allowed to go ahead unchallenged AND furthermore his "rating / poularity" is unaffected

Unbelievable Jeff !

while you are right mate do you expect any different with Corbyn as his opponent, he will never get in as pm no matter what any Tory pm does

[Donnywolf]

Totally agree - and as I usually say when calling Politicians "inept" or "they dont answer the questions" - I usually say all of them or on both sides

Agree - I dont think Labour would win / will win till there is a different Leader.

[BillyStubbsTears]

  Wilts, I think you will find that the rebate will not be carried on if we extend our stay after 2020 and the EU are looking to abolish all veto's on taxation matters anyway, which I am not certain but think were time limited in the Lisbon treaty.
 It will increase our contributions by roughly £4.5 billion a year, which I am sure the eastern European partners we have will put to good use with your undoubted blessing.

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[BigH]

I see Boris Johnson is at it now.

I don't know if he was p**sed, stupid or both when he was in Northern Ireland on Thursday. You can make your own mind up from the video footage that's doing the rounds.

But, to quote, apparently "Northern Ireland would have a great deal...they keep free movement, the Single Market and unfettered access to the GB". That's what he said. It's on camera.

Unlike the rest of us, of course, who would be signed up to making ourselves poorer by giving all of this up under his proposed 'deal'.

Look, even the best of us sometimes get things wrong. But I'm reminded of Dennis Thatcher - husband of Margaret for those too young to remember - who was once asked why he kept quiet when in public with his wife. "Better to keep your mouth shut and be thought a fool than open it and remove all doubt."

Take heed Boris Johnson, take heed.

[SydneyRover]

both bigH, he may have had the best schooling but it hasn't stopped him making an arse of himself and betraying the country.