Hull City forum.

[BillyStubbsTears]

Ahem.

https://www.drfc-vsc.co.uk/index.php?topic=272820.msg874478#msg874478

He clearly didn't trust himself to be able to continue that (developing us). Because if he DID trust himself, it would be mad to go to a crisis club like Hull.

Stay here. Have another season or two building your reputation. If you're good, you'll have your pick of lower half Championship sides.

No. He chose not to do that. He's gone for the first bigger club to come sniffing. That smacks of a lack of confidence.

Now, as it is, he's two poor months at Hull away from his entire career being in jeopardy.

He's currently 1.5 months into those 2.

[drfchound]

No he won’t ever be coming back here hound.

However unlike Paul Dickov whose services, he was told, were no longer required by Doncaster Rovers in September 2015 & has never managed a team in the professional game since, McCan’t, even if/when sacked by Hull will still carry some kudos with him on the back of (ironically), what he was able to achieve with us on what was ‘allegedly’ (cue Darren Ferguson) a tight budget.

Oh I know he won’t be coming back.
He would not be made welcome by the fans and from what I have heard, he well and truly burnt his bridges with the owners.

Is that because of his decision to go or more the way he conducted himself?

My understanding of the situation was that he was asked whether he wanted to speak with Hull.
When he said yes, it was decided that they had had enough of him and that he was as good as gone.

I should say that someone at the club gave me this information and I trust that they were telling me the truth.

[Herbert Anchovy]

No he won’t ever be coming back here hound.

However unlike Paul Dickov whose services, he was told, were no longer required by Doncaster Rovers in September 2015 & has never managed a team in the professional game since, McCan’t, even if/when sacked by Hull will still carry some kudos with him on the back of (ironically), what he was able to achieve with us on what was ‘allegedly’ (cue Darren Ferguson) a tight budget.

Oh I know he won’t be coming back.
He would not be made welcome by the fans and from what I have heard, he well and truly burnt his bridges with the owners.

Is that because of his decision to go or more the way he conducted himself?

My understanding of the situation was that he was asked whether he wanted to speak with Hull.
When he said yes, it was decided that they had had enough of him and that he was as good as gone.

I should say that someone at the club gave me this information and I trust that they were telling me the truth.

I was told exactly the same hound. I was also told that there was some surprise at the comments he made when he returned for the preseason friendly. He told the press that the welcome he’d received from the club was good & he’d spoken to the players who’d all been friendly towards him as they’d understood the reasons behind his decision to leave. His leaving left a very bad taste within the club and players.

[DRNaith]

Well, he's never going to say "it's all been a bit embarrassing really" is he?

[NickDRFC]

No he won’t ever be coming back here hound.

However unlike Paul Dickov whose services, he was told, were no longer required by Doncaster Rovers in September 2015 & has never managed a team in the professional game since, McCan’t, even if/when sacked by Hull will still carry some kudos with him on the back of (ironically), what he was able to achieve with us on what was ‘allegedly’ (cue Darren Ferguson) a tight budget.

Oh I know he won’t be coming back.
He would not be made welcome by the fans and from what I have heard, he well and truly burnt his bridges with the owners.

Is that because of his decision to go or more the way he conducted himself?

My understanding of the situation was that he was asked whether he wanted to speak with Hull.
When he said yes, it was decided that they had had enough of him and that he was as good as gone.

I should say that someone at the club gave me this information and I trust that they were telling me the truth.

From what you’ve said above it sounds like he’s burnt his bridges because he decided to speak to Hull - it doesn’t sound like he went behind their back or anything like that. Or am I missing something?

[DRNaith]

Personally I think he burned his bridges through starting the task of clearing out the squad, but not having the integrity to see it through, leaving us in a very poor situation.

[Metalmicky]

He's currently 1.5 months into those 2.

I'd agree - Hull on a bad run and if they don't get positive results against Swansea and Preston, he may find himself unemployed...

I personally don't think he did too much wrong - perhaps the timing of it didn't help matters, but wanting to move to a bigger club  (and up a pay scale) isn't the crime of the century.

[Jonathan]

I’ve also heard that his budget here had been lowered from the level that was originally indicated, perhaps reflected in the fact that deals he indicated were in place immediately after the Charlton game did not materialise. I think there are two sides to this one. I certainly think the haste at which he jumped left a sour taste with the club and supporters. Understandably too. Our owners gave him a chance and a profile to rebuild his career after it had taken a bit of a hit from his spell in charge at Peterborough. He did an excellent job last season but left at the first opportunity.

My own feeling (at the time and still now) is that he made a mistake with that move and would’ve been better served staying here. But if he thought at the time that he’d not be able to take us where we wanted to go with the funds subsequently confirmed then maybe that influenced his thinking.

I don’t really bear him any animosity. I loved watching Rovers under McCann, we saw some of the most exciting football seen here for many years. I think we were the right club for him and vice versa, whereas there’s lots wrong with Hull for many reasons.

I’ve no doubt he’s burned his bridges with the owners. As for the players, I think it’s fair to say there’ll be mixed views on him. They didn’t need to all like him. They certainly all played well when he was in charge.

[Donnybax]

I’m not really sure what the expect, it looks like he’s doing a decent job from the outside

[BillyStubbsTears]

He's currently 1.5 months into those 2.

I'd agree - Hull on a bad run and if they don't get positive results against Swansea and Preston, he may find himself unemployed...

I personally don't think he did too much wrong - perhaps the timing of it didn't help matters, but wanting to move to a bigger club  (and up a pay scale) isn't the crime of the century.

MM.

I didn't say he did anything wrong. I said he showed a telling lack of confidence in his own ability by jumping at the first chance, to a job that everyone knew was a poisoned chalice.

I said he'd got the gig of a lifetime with us, building on a strong foundation. But he'd done precisely zero in terms of building a legacy. If he really felt confident as a manager, he could have built with us for another year or two and then he'd have had Championship clubs beating a path to his door. Jumping to a club in a mess like Hull suggests that he didn't trust himself to do a job with us when he had to rebuild.

Looking at it that way, he seems like a bit of a chancer.

[ravenrover]

I don't recollect any pkayer, including Copps, come out and say best of luck thanks for everything gaffer on any social media. Quite unusual these days when a manager leaves

[Alan Southstand]

I think his ego and arrogance got in the way of any serious thoughts about what he could achieve here. His words, after we got knocked out by Charlton, are still ringing in my ears! All he actually did was decimate the solid foundation of a team that was nearly, not quite, good enough.

[drfchound]

No he won’t ever be coming back here hound.

However unlike Paul Dickov whose services, he was told, were no longer required by Doncaster Rovers in September 2015 & has never managed a team in the professional game since, McCan’t, even if/when sacked by Hull will still carry some kudos with him on the back of (ironically), what he was able to achieve with us on what was ‘allegedly’ (cue Darren Ferguson) a tight budget.

Oh I know he won’t be coming back.
He would not be made welcome by the fans and from what I have heard, he well and truly burnt his bridges with the owners.

Is that because of his decision to go or more the way he conducted himself?

My understanding of the situation was that he was asked whether he wanted to speak with Hull.
When he said yes, it was decided that they had had enough of him and that he was as good as gone.

I should say that someone at the club gave me this information and I trust that they were telling me the truth.

From what you’ve said above it sounds like he’s burnt his bridges because he decided to speak to Hull - it doesn’t sound like he went behind their back or anything like that. Or am I missing something?

You are right in your first assumption there Nick.

[BillyStubbsTears]

Be reyt for him.

He'll get sacked at Hull but after the annual Fergo-collapse, there'll be a job for him this summer.

[Metalmicky]

He's currently 1.5 months into those 2.

I'd agree - Hull on a bad run and if they don't get positive results against Swansea and Preston, he may find himself unemployed...

I personally don't think he did too much wrong - perhaps the timing of it didn't help matters, but wanting to move to a bigger club  (and up a pay scale) isn't the crime of the century.

MM.

I didn't say he did anything wrong.

BST - I wasn't suggesting that you did - was just a general comment.

[dickos1]

There were lots on here saying he’d be sacked before Xmas and they’d be going down.
He’s done much better than that

[mushRTID]

There were lots on here saying he’d be sacked before Xmas and they’d be going down.
He’s done much better than that

2 players carried him. One being the best player in the league. He’s knackered now they’ve gone

[Herbert Anchovy]

There were lots on here saying he’d be sacked before Xmas and they’d be going down.
He’s done much better than that

Me included

[RoversAlias]

I seem to remember some tweets reacting to the McCann --> Hull news from players he had overseen the departure of. Butler, Andrew and I think some others too, maybe Marosi. That Butler was publicly showing his opinion spoke volumes to me, as he is a complete professional and a clever guy.

Coppinger as well in an interview earlier this season spoke of how Darren Moore had faith in him to play 90 minutes whereas a previous manager did not and he was glad that he no longer had to deal with that. It was obvious he meant McCann which also said a lot about how senior players felt under him.

I'm glad he's gone because Darren is an upgrade in every way, and McCann will rightly not be welcome around DRFC ever again I don't think.

[roversdude]

It was preaching about loyalty then jumping ship that did it for me. I’ll be eternally grateful for last season but he showed he had no class

[steve@dcfd]

There were lots on here saying he’d be sacked before Xmas and they’d be going down.
He’s done much better than that

2 players carried him. One being the best player in the league. He’s knackered now they’ve gone

Unfortunately for him the owners where always not going to spend the money they got for his two major players. He’s also lost Kane and Lijah centre half both could be out for the rest of the season. The new signing is injured also. Let’s be fair he will suffer now as a manager and they could get close to relegation. Majority of the players he’s brought in whether loan or bought are equivalent to top end league 1 players.

[karldew]

If Darren went in the summer (hopefully not!) are fans saying they wouldn’t have McCann back? I think I personally would even after what he has done!

[mushRTID]

Yes I’m saying he would not be welcomed back by me.

[sha66y]

If Darren went in the summer (hopefully not!) are fans saying they wouldn’t have McCann back? I think I personally would even after what he has done!

Seriously?

His personality has been found to be toxic,
He clearly has no loyalty and his judgement regarding releasing players is questionable.....

He could never do an interview again based upon player loyalty ....

[DRNaith]

I don't want him back to only be shafted again when another offer comes in.

[graingrover]

He signed Maddison ..just shows he does not consider character matters. ...DM is a total upgrade in every department of man management .

[BigH]

I seem to remember some tweets reacting to the McCann --> Hull news from players he had overseen the departure of. Butler, Andrew and I think some others too, maybe Marosi. That Butler was publicly showing his opinion spoke volumes to me, as he is a complete professional and a clever guy.

Coppinger as well in an interview earlier this season spoke of how Darren Moore had faith in him to play 90 minutes whereas a previous manager did not and he was glad that he no longer had to deal with that. It was obvious he meant McCann which also said a lot about how senior players felt under him.

I'm glad he's gone because Darren is an upgrade in every way, and McCann will rightly not be welcome around DRFC ever again I don't think.

Agree with you that DM is an upgrade. We're starting to see that come through now.

I don't bear McCann any ill will. I just think that he was really poorly advised. There was probably a financial element which got his agent excited. And there was a lack of maturity on McCann's part.

[Colin C No.3]

I seem to remember some tweets reacting to the McCann --> Hull news from players he had overseen the departure of. Butler, Andrew and I think some others too, maybe Marosi. That Butler was publicly showing his opinion spoke volumes to me, as he is a complete professional and a clever guy.

Coppinger as well in an interview earlier this season spoke of how Darren Moore had faith in him to play 90 minutes whereas a previous manager did not and he was glad that he no longer had to deal with that. It was obvious he meant McCann which also said a lot about how senior players felt under him.

I'm glad he's gone because Darren is an upgrade in every way, and McCann will rightly not be welcome around DRFC ever again I don't think.

Agree with you that DM is an upgrade. We're starting to see that come through now.

I don't bear McCann any ill will. I just think that he was really poorly advised. There was probably a financial element which got his agent excited. And there was a lack of maturity on McCann's part.

I was about to respond to karldew’s post with a “you have to be joking” when I read your post BigH.

The last three lines of your post sums up the whole ‘McCann saga” to a tee.