Maybe there will be change in the police forces throughout the UK

[SydneyRover]

I get no joy from this, it disgusts me that in 2021 there is still a problem. I don't expect every person employed to be a model citizen, but I do expect to have systems in place to ensure change, and that those that cannot change are booted out, all people in the UK receive equal respect, the police are there to serve, not serve it up.

Repeatedly having to deal with this harms the police as a whole, harms those trying to change the system and in the end it harms everyone.

''UK police chiefs consider public admission of institutional racism''

''Policing has been engulfed in a race crisis with a series of controversies over stop and search and use of force, leaving black people’s confidence lower than white people’s. Police chiefs have admitted this damages their legitimacy and ability to fight crime''

''A new plan to make policing anti-racist is promised and Johnson said institutional racism had to be admitted''

''Policing was first officially labelled as institutionally racist in the 1999 Macpherson report on failings that let the racist killers of the black student Stephen Lawrence escape justice for so long.

The ranks of officers are still disproportionately white, with a smaller proportion of ethnic minority officers in policing than in the general population''

''Last year the Metropolitan police commissioner, Cressida Dick, denied policing was institutionally racist, telling MPs it was “not a label I find helpful”. She said: “I don’t think we’re collectively failing. I don’t think [racism] is a massive systemic problem, I don’t think it’s institutionalised, and more to the point I think we have come such a very, very, very long way.”''

''Ethnic minority police officers make up 7% of the ranks, compared with 14% of the population. BAME officers are twice as likely to be dismissed as their white counterparts''

''Among the public, black people are more likely to be stopped for suspected drugs offences but are less likely to use them. Recent official figures showed the equivalent of one-fifth of male ethnic minority people aged 15-19 were stopped in a single year, with black people seven times more likely to be stopped''

https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2021/dec/12/uk-police-leaders-debate-public-admission-institutional-racism

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The police bend over backwards to be representative of the communities they serve.
It should come as no surprise, as disappointing as it is, that there are bad eggs amongst them.
Society is full of bad eggs.
Selection processes, assessments, interviews, application forms . They only go so far.
I could be a sexist, racist, misogynistic so and so. It would not stop me getting In the police these days if you were smart enough to mask it.
Not only that, but they cannot give away police jobs at the moment.
So they take who they can. Provided they pass the interview and tests. The met have had a reputation for years of having less than desirable candidates due to the sheer volume of staff turnover they have to keep up to function as a force.
Besides, who the f**k wants to be a cop these days ?
Overworked, underpaid, abused, spat at, kicked, punched and vilified by the MSM.

[SydneyRover]

The police bend over backwards to be representative of the communities they serve.
It should come as no surprise, as disappointing as it is, that there are bad eggs amongst them.
Society is full of bad eggs.
Selection processes, assessments, interviews, application forms . They only go so far.
I could be a sexist, racist, misogynistic so and so. It would not stop me getting In the police these days if you were smart enough to mask it.
Not only that, but they cannot give away police jobs at the moment.
So they take who they can. Provided they pass the interview and tests. The met have had a reputation for years of having less than desirable candidates due to the sheer volume of staff turnover they have to keep up to function as a force.
Besides, who the f**k wants to be a cop these days ?
Overworked, underpaid, abused, spat at, kicked, punched and vilified by the MSM.

Maybe we could have a sensible debate if you addressed the nature of the article.

[phil old leake]

Some people on this forum apparently have some real issues with the police, authority and government
They cannot wait to raise this subject in any thread or for any reason
I hope that the people concerned have had first hand knowledge of these incidents or have at some time been part of the organisations they continually slate and attempt to undermine
It’s easy to continually attempt to stir up hatred
It’s this type of hate rhetoric that fuels the animosity they supposedly dislike
https://www.ethnicity-facts-figures.service.gov.uk/health/alcohol-smoking-and-drug-use/illicit-drug-use-among-adults/latest

Is a government report about drug use in adults in the uk

[ColinDouglasHandshake]

I have an issue with authority but mainly because of the litany of people who work for the NHS, Government, Police force, Education etc that continually made mistakes and yet receive no punishment or accountability. They get far too many chances and even when concerning issues have been flagged up and senior personnel know about these issues - such as Wayne Couzens sharing porn and actually been seen flashing at a McDonalds, they still are allowed to continue in their employment when they actually should be dismissed immediately and subjected to criminal proceedings.

This is why nearly every time something horrible happens, there is the usual trail of clues or missed opportunities to have done something about it at the first sign of something odd or unacceptable going on.

If this happened then the likes of Wayne Couzens etc would not have been in a position to commit their crimes.

Cressida Dick for example. She didn't commit the crimes that a lot of officers under her stewardship did, but she oversees them and thus she needs to be sacked. As of years ago. Yet they still are allowed to continue in their job.

This causes distrust, a lack of respect for, and alienates people against authority. Because a lot of them are bent and never get punished for it.

Many aren't however and we need to recognise that but i don't trust anybody in authority anymore.

The NHS for example. Every time they get found guilty, they only apologise and accept that 'lessons will be learned' once they have been found guilty in a court of law. So according to the NHS, they don't make mistakes or have dodgy people working for them ever.

Until they get found guilty and then they do. Nobody is honest anymore. All out to cover their own arses and these are the people and organizations we are supposed to revere. Laughable.

Just last week, a 51 year old theatre nurse at the Hallamshire got sacked and prosecuted for being a sex pest. Can't trust anyone.

Reminds me of a something that Chris Packham said in his TV documentary about his Asperger's Syndrome. He was talking about when he kept a Kestrel (bird - not super strength lager  ) and the authorities demanded it be put down or relinquished and he refused. He said he wasn't going to do as he was told by people he had no respect for.

Which i agree with. Respect has to be earned. It doesn't just get given with employment position.

[SydneyRover]

Some people on this forum apparently have some real issues with the police, authority and government
They cannot wait to raise this subject in any thread or for any reason
I hope that the people concerned have had first hand knowledge of these incidents or have at some time been part of the organisations they continually slate and attempt to undermine
It’s easy to continually attempt to stir up hatred
It’s this type of hate rhetoric that fuels the animosity they supposedly dislike
https://www.ethnicity-facts-figures.service.gov.uk/health/alcohol-smoking-and-drug-use/illicit-drug-use-among-adults/latest

Is a government report about drug use in adults in the uk

Maybe we could have a sensible debate if you addressed the nature of the article.

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I have an issue with authority but mainly because of the litany of people who work for the NHS, Government, Police force, Education etc that continually made mistakes and yet receive no punishment or accountability. They get far too many chances and even when concerning issues have been flagged up and senior personnel know about these issues - such as Wayne Couzens sharing porn and actually been seen flashing at a McDonalds, they still are allowed to continue in their employment when they actually should be dismissed immediately and subjected to criminal proceedings.

This is why nearly every time something horrible happens, there is the usual trail of clues or missed opportunities to have done something about it at the first sign of something odd or unacceptable going on.

If this happened then the likes of Wayne Couzens etc would not have been in a position to commit their crimes.

Cressida Dick for example. She didn't commit the crimes that a lot of officers under her stewardship did, but she oversees them and thus she needs to be sacked. As of years ago. Yet they still are allowed to continue in their job.

This causes distrust, a lack of respect for, and alienates people against authority. Because a lot of them are bent and never get punished for it.

Many aren't however and we need to recognise that but i don't trust anybody in authority anymore.

The NHS for example. Every time they get found guilty, they only apologise and accept that 'lessons will be learned' once they have been found guilty in a court of law. So according to the NHS, they don't make mistakes or have dodgy people working for them ever.

Until they get found guilty and then they do. Nobody is honest anymore. All out to cover their own arses and these are the people and organizations we are supposed to revere. Laughable.

Just last week, a 51 year old theatre nurse at the Hallamshire got sacked and prosecuted for being a sex pest. Can't trust anyone.

Reminds me of a something that Chris Packham said in his TV documentary about his Asperger's Syndrome. He was talking about when he kept a Kestrel (bird - not super strength lager  ) and the authorities demanded it be put down or relinquished and he refused. He said he wasn't going to do as he was told by people he had no respect for.

Which i agree with. Respect has to be earned. It doesn't just get given with employment position.

CDh what do you do for a living , now or in a previous life if I may ask?

[phil old leake]

Strange no answer CDH so obviously no first hand knowledge of the subject
Just bigoted anti establishment garbage

[ColinDouglasHandshake]

Strange no answer CDH so obviously no first hand knowledge of the subject
Just bigoted anti establishment garbage

Crikey. Give me a bleedin' chance man! Only just seen the post!   

Worked in animal welfare / rescue for nearly 20 years on the 'frontline' so to speak at various animal charities in rescue homes / wildlife rehab. Intersected with a 3 year stint at uni for a related degree where all the lecturers were woke and tossed it off half the time. The amount of money and arse licking at the top of these animal charities is mindblowing.

Dogs Trust in particular. A corporate leviathan where the rehoming of dogs a side business.

Decided to work in animal rescue as all jobs previously in retail, manufacture etc were just managed by complete tools and surrounded by backstabbing colleagues. I figured that working with animals, if i had a bad day with the people around me, then i'd go home knowing i'd helped animals in some way regardless and that helped with my anger and disillusionment with life in general.

A lot of the people working in animal welfare for the big charities are just yes people too. Seen a lot of bullying as well. As well as colossal wastage of money and resources. There are however a lot of people who work in various positions in animal welfare who literally would work for nothing and are great, salt of the earth folk true to their beliefs.

I have extensive experience of the NHS complaints pathways, which are designed to deter you from complaining and reaching an amicable resolution.

I have experience of the DWP also and how their approach to disabled people is a national scandal.

Perhaps you could show some understanding as to why and how some people develop these views of the 'establishment' before slating them as bigots.

[phil old leake]

So no first hand knowledge of the subject of the original thread

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As one of my learned colleagues would say
“ I have no further questions”

[ColinDouglasHandshake]

So no first hand knowledge of the subject of the original thread

I was replying to your sentence in a post above that said 'some people on this forum apparently have some real issues with the police, authority and government' and explaining why i had. So my my post was entirely relevant.

But if you want to ignore that and continue being a sad pedant then there isn't much i can do about that. Very weird.

[phil old leake]

So you agree.  You’ve got no first hand knowledge of the subject matter of the thread