This is why the Colston statue crowd should not have got off

[danumdon]

There's some proper drivel talked on this subject. I wonder why this in particular gets so many folks' backs up?

Nothing about this in particular, but then why would you ever miss an opportunity to throw in some cryptic insinuations,

The fact that this prevailing woke agenda with "warriors" like you to the fore is what winds up the majority even if its a mostly silent one.

I wonder who you and them will be calling when their house, belongings or family are affected.

[BillyStubbsTears]

Phil.
My understanding (and it is limited) is that the defence was one of preventing a larger crime. The crime being one of constant offence to everyone, Afro-Caribbean and others) who had to walk past a statue honouring someone who had taken part in genocide for profit.

It's a question of balance. Comparing pulling down a statue with extra-judicial murder is not sensible.

If the Germans had won WWII and 200 years later, a statue of Hitler in Golders Green had been torn down, would you consider that to have been morally wrong?

I'm just wondering what the Afro carribbean and other communities DIDN'T find offensive for the other 125 years that this statue was in place?

Or is it now a case of you can do what you like, because you want to?

I'm off round to my neighbors tomorrow to rip his door down and squat in his house because his BMW is better than mine!!

So the argument now is: this can't be right or it would have been done before now. Close your eyes. Take a deep breath. Relax and have a think how daft that argument is.

[BillyStubbsTears]

Try applying that logic to...say...Peterloo.

The hussars who killed the demonstrators were only applying law and order. And the demonstrators in favour of votes for working class folk...if it was that important to them, why didn't they demonstrate for votes in the previous 800 years.

[BillyStubbsTears]

Apply the logic to Gandhi's Salt March.

If this was so important, how come they didn't march years earlier.

[BillyStubbsTears]

Apply the logic to Rosa Parkes.

If being told that blacks could not sit at the front of the bus was such a racist insult, how come she didn't go against the law earlier?

[Sprotyrover]

There's some proper drivel talked on this subject. I wonder why this in particular gets so many folks' backs up?

Accusing people of spouting drivel is rich coming from you, Colston took part in Genoside! How please explain?

[BillyStubbsTears]

Sproty.

If it's not bleeding obvious, turn off RT for a few minutes and apply your ample brain to the question.

[wilts rover]

There must be 20 police officers outside the Belgrave Square property occupied by anarchists, which is I reckon approximately 20 more than ever checked the provenance of the money that bought it.

Oliver Bullough, expert and author on oligarch finances

https://twitter.com/OliverBullough/status/1503402092928643072

It's one rule for one and one for another - which amazingly seems to be what some people want in this country.

[SydneyRover]

There must be 20 police officers outside the Belgrave Square property occupied by anarchists, which is I reckon approximately 20 more than ever checked the provenance of the money that bought it.

Oliver Bullough, expert and author on oligarch finances

https://twitter.com/OliverBullough/status/1503402092928643072

It's one rule for one and one for another - which amazingly seems to be what some people want in this country.

Just think, if all those resources went into crime prevention

[DonnyOsmond]

There's some proper drivel talked on this subject. I wonder why this in particular gets so many folks' backs up?

Nothing about this in particular, but then why would you ever miss an opportunity to throw in some cryptic insinuations,

The fact that this prevailing woke agenda with "warriors" like you to the fore is what winds up the majority even if its a mostly silent one.

I wonder who you and them will be calling when their house, belongings or family are affected.

It certainly isn't the majority. It's just a bunch of right wing 50+ year old (no Sproty this isn't ageism, calm down) who are against change. There was petitions to remove the statue which fell on deaf ears and all the council needed to do was move it into a museum. Slavers shouldn't be celebrated in this day and age with statues in public. It's not that hard to understand.

[Sprotyrover]

Sproty.

If it's not bleeding obvious, turn off RT for a few minutes and apply your ample brain to the question.

No, you stated Colton took part in Genoside, I disagree and I want you to substantiate your silly remark!

[BillyStubbsTears]

There's some proper drivel talked on this subject. I wonder why this in particular gets so many folks' backs up?

Nothing about this in particular, but then why would you ever miss an opportunity to throw in some cryptic insinuations,

The fact that this prevailing woke agenda with "warriors" like you to the fore is what winds up the majority even if its a mostly silent one.

I wonder who you and them will be calling when their house, belongings or family are affected.

I don't expect protestors to destroy images of my forebears, because they worked down the pit, not as financiers of genocide.

I don't expect protestors to occupy my house because it's a humdrum semi,paid for by years of humdrum work. Not a mansion paid for by theft, under the blessing of a fascist dictator.

You make it clear which side of these moral issues you are on. I hope you sleep well.

[BillyStubbsTears]

Sproty.

If it's not bleeding obvious, turn off RT for a few minutes and apply your ample brain to the question.

No, you stated Colton took part in Genoside, I disagree and I want you to substantiate your silly remark!

.and I told you to clear your head of your fascist propaganda and think about it before you decide that you want to continue with that line.

[Sprotyrover]

Sproty.

If it's not bleeding obvious, turn off RT for a few minutes and apply your ample brain to the question.

No, you stated Colton took part in Genoside, I disagree and I want you to substantiate your silly remark!

.and I told you to clear your head of your fascist propaganda and think about it before you decide that you want to continue with that line.

No, I want you to evidence your purple comment or take it back!

[danumdon]

There's some proper drivel talked on this subject. I wonder why this in particular gets so many folks' backs up?

Nothing about this in particular, but then why would you ever miss an opportunity to throw in some cryptic insinuations,

The fact that this prevailing woke agenda with "warriors" like you to the fore is what winds up the majority even if its a mostly silent one.

I wonder who you and them will be calling when their house, belongings or family are affected.

I don't expect protestors to destroy images of my forebears, because they worked down the pit, not as financiers of genocide.

I don't expect protestors to occupy my house because it's a humdrum semi,paid for by years of humdrum work. Not a mansion paid for by theft, under the blessing of a fascist dictator.

You make it clear which side of these moral issues you are on. I hope you sleep well.

I don't think i made anything clear about any side that I'm on, i've no truck with racist slave traders or oligarchs on the make, I'd rather folk can sleep well in their beds on a night safe from agitators who wish to destabilize the nation because we have a totally incompetent and corrupt government, who just don't happen to agree to their leftist woke nonsense. You don't have to be 50plus and right wing to want to see justice metered out to criminals who attack other peoples property, belongings or family.

The statue of Coulson should of been removed if the people of Bristol wanted it, I'm all for a democratic society but when people decide to take the law into their own hands then the only thing that can come from that is anarchy, then even the likes of you in your humdrum semi paid for by humdrum work(years of) will not be safe.

I'm sure come that day you will be wanting the state to protect you and yours, just like us all.

Oh and i do sleep very well in my bed on a night but that's mostly because i don't have nightmares listening to James O'Brien whipping acolytes into a frenzy.

[BillyStubbsTears]

So those three examples I gave you of out and out law breaking. Presumably you disapprove of all three?

[SydneyRover]

''From the 1990s onward the debate on the morality of glorifying Colston intensified. In 2018, a Bristol City Council project to add a second plaque to better contextualise the statue and summarise Colston's role in the slave trade resulted in an agreed wording and a cast plaque ready for installation. Its installation was vetoed in March 2019 by Bristol's mayor, Marvin Rees, who promised a rewording of the plaque which never materialised''

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Statue_of_Edward_Colston

It has been debated for a long time and common sense surely would have dictated that it be put somewhere else.

One doesn't have to be woke to work that out.

[danumdon]

So those three examples I gave you of out and out law breaking. Presumably you disapprove of all three?

Just because you quoted them doesn't make them relative to my point, you quoted out of context.

[BillyStubbsTears]

I quoted three examples of long-drlayed law-breaking. Do you agree that the people who broke those laws were morally correct in what they did?

[danumdon]

I quoted three examples of long-drlayed law-breaking. Do you agree that the people who broke those laws were morally correct in what they did?

Morally correct and legally correct are two different things. one can be morally right but still end up doing time for breaking the law as it currently sits in the statute book.

[BillyStubbsTears]

Precisely. That's the issue. Sometimes breaking a law is the morally correct thing to do. To effect change.

It's notable that few people think the Colston statue should be re-erected.

Similarly, the occupation of a kleptocrat's mansion puts the issue of how we have disgustingly accommodated them right into the centre of discussion.

[SydneyRover]

I posted this on an earlier thread about the case, these journalists attended the trial.

''We attended all ten days of the trial from the public gallery. While we cannot know the jury’s reasoning, it is unlikely that this was a “perverse” verdict – where the jury believes the defendants are guilty in law but still choose to acquit. In this case, the judge gave the jury a range of legal reasons to acquit the defendants''

https://theconversation.com/we-attended-the-trial-of-the-colston-four-heres-why-their-acquittal-should-be-celebrated-174481