Billy Sharp Assaulted

[BillyStubbsTears]

Really struggling to see how that is ABH, rather than GBH if he's left Sharp needing stitches in his face. That said, the sentencing Council (selected by the Govt) has reduced the sentence tariff for GBH, so at the lower end of GBH you can get a suspended sentence. Realistically, this was at the lower end of GBH so it probably doesn't make much difference.

[scawsby steve]

We've been too lenient with these bas**rds for too long. He should be locked up for 10 years along with the loony, half-wit do-gooders who try to condone such behaviour.

Totally uncalled for act of aggression, but a reply comprised of absolute gibberish that deflects from the serious nature of the unprovoked attack.

Funny how there's a certain movement in this country to blame anything that happens on the chance that liberal minded people might condone the act, even when the chances are that the numbskull committing the act probably has norms and beliefs more aligned with their own, ironic.

I'm not with you on the semantics of that, Beast. Are you saying that a scumbag like that would agree with people like us that want scumbags like him locked up for a very long time?

Incidently, have you ever heard of Lord Longford? My mate worked at HMP Wakefield for 20 years, and I can assure you there are many interfering liberalists just like him, trying to make life better for some of the worst scumbags in the country.

[SydneyRover]

We've been too lenient with these bas**rds for too long. He should be locked up for 10 years along with the loony, half-wit do-gooders who try to condone such behaviour.

Totally uncalled for act of aggression, but a reply comprised of absolute gibberish that deflects from the serious nature of the unprovoked attack.

Funny how there's a certain movement in this country to blame anything that happens on the chance that liberal minded people might condone the act, even when the chances are that the numbskull committing the act probably has norms and beliefs more aligned with their own, ironic.

I'm not with you on the semantics of that, Beast. Are you saying that a scumbag like that would agree with people like us that want scumbags like him locked up for a very long time?

Incidently, have you ever heard of Lord Longford? My mate worked at HMP Wakefield for 20 years, and I can assure you there are many interfering liberalists just like him, trying to make life better for some of the worst scumbags in the country.

And yet you understood the offending comment without question Steve

[roversdude]

Fans attacking Swindon players last night

[Jonathan]

More altercations last night that were able to happen because of mass pitch invasions.

The commentary at the final whistle of the Everton game summed up the problem: “the expected pitch invasion.”

This should not be expected, and it needs clamping down on. If fans can’t stop themselves from running on the pitch then they should face the consequences of their clubs being docked points and playing games behind closed doors. It’s a shame for the fans that behave themselves, but the ones needlessly running on the pitch need to be held accountable for their behaviour.

[Sammy Chung was King]

Most of the people on the pitch after any game like that, are celebrating a long hard season and letting out joy, for an occasion that might not happen again. Then you have frog spawn like this guy who thinks it’s funny to stick the nut on an unsuspecting player. It sums up where we are with a small minority who have no morals or standards, who as long as they are having a good time nobody else matters.

The way things are going there are going to be restrictions and having to prove who you are to get into a match. Absolute idiot and we have some of the same ilk amongst ours. What happened to enjoying the match, a drink ,something to eat then going home like a normal person?. That’s what most of us do.

[drfchound]

Patrick Viera in an altercation with a fan during the Everton pitch invasion.

[Jonathan]

Most of the people on the pitch after any game like that, are celebrating a long hard season and letting out joy, for an occasion that might not happen again. Then you have frog spawn like this guy who thinks it’s funny to stick the nut on an unsuspecting player. It sums up where we are with a small minority who have no morals or standards, who as long as they are having a good time nobody else matters.

The way things are going there are going to be restrictions and having to prove who you are to get into a match. Absolute idiot and we have some of the same ilk amongst ours. What happened to enjoying the match, a drink ,something to eat then going home like a normal person?. That’s what most of us do.

Why can’t they let out that joy in the stands? The pitch invasions are needless and dangerous - as they’ve recently proved.

[Silkscarf]

Pitch invasions and other uncontrolled hooligan behaviour led to fences between fans and pitch. Fences contributed to the Hillsborough disaster. We don’t want either extreme again.

[Glyn_Wigley]

And some people still think serving alcohol in the stands is the way forward. Beggars belief

nothing to do with serving alcohol at grounds

Really Upton, nothing?? Nothing at all? Bold statement to make when you consider the amount of alcohol induced assaults in town on a Friday and Saturday night.

If you don’t believe that allowing individuals such as this yet more access to alcohol during games won’t lead to an increase in disorder then I suggest you need to think about this again.You will get idiots who have 1 alcopop and they think they are Mike Tyson, the ones who want a drink and to enjoy it just go out a few hours before kick off, now when not if alcohol will be allowed to be served in plastic glasses to enjoy at your seat, these people will go to the ground for a pint. I ran a pub when the new licensing laws came in, and people said we will have trouble from 10am till 12pm, this was not true and at closing time there were far less unsociable behaviour cases after the law was changed to all day opening, and that’s the case now, I guess you don’t like people who enjoy a drink.

So there's the solution - all day drinking at football grounds, it'll cut the violence.

[silent majority]

And some people still think serving alcohol in the stands is the way forward. Beggars belief

nothing to do with serving alcohol at grounds

Really Upton, nothing?? Nothing at all? Bold statement to make when you consider the amount of alcohol induced assaults in town on a Friday and Saturday night.

If you don’t believe that allowing individuals such as this yet more access to alcohol during games won’t lead to an increase in disorder then I suggest you need to think about this again.You will get idiots who have 1 alcopop and they think they are Mike Tyson, the ones who want a drink and to enjoy it just go out a few hours before kick off, now when not if alcohol will be allowed to be served in plastic glasses to enjoy at your seat, these people will go to the ground for a pint. I ran a pub when the new licensing laws came in, and people said we will have trouble from 10am till 12pm, this was not true and at closing time there were far less unsociable behaviour cases after the law was changed to all day opening, and that’s the case now, I guess you don’t like people who enjoy a drink.

So there's the solution - all day drinking at football grounds, it'll cut the violence.

You should really read up on the data and the evidence if you, or anybody else, considers that the situation we currently have here, and that drinking within sight of the pitch for 90 minutes cures anything or reduces alcohol intake at a game of football. It certainly doesn't.

What it does do is create extra problems that have never been considered and also encourages binge drinking at certain points. Its not very civilised and is almost agreed by all parties that it needs changing.

[nightporter]

Patrick Viera in an altercation with a fan during the Everton pitch invasion.

 

The Viera incident.  Patrick kicked out at the 'fan' after this.  https://twitter.com/frankie_efc/status/1527412786032168968

[no eyed deer]

And some people still think serving alcohol in the stands is the way forward. Beggars belief

nothing to do with serving alcohol at grounds

Really Upton, nothing?? Nothing at all? Bold statement to make when you consider the amount of alcohol induced assaults in town on a Friday and Saturday night.

If you don’t believe that allowing individuals such as this yet more access to alcohol during games won’t lead to an increase in disorder then I suggest you need to think about this again.You will get idiots who have 1 alcopop and they think they are Mike Tyson, the ones who want a drink and to enjoy it just go out a few hours before kick off, now when not if alcohol will be allowed to be served in plastic glasses to enjoy at your seat, these people will go to the ground for a pint. I ran a pub when the new licensing laws came in, and people said we will have trouble from 10am till 12pm, this was not true and at closing time there were far less unsociable behaviour cases after the law was changed to all day opening, and that’s the case now, I guess you don’t like people who enjoy a drink.

So there's the solution - all day drinking at football grounds, it'll cut the violence.

You should really read up on the data and the evidence if you, or anybody else, considers that the situation we currently have here, and that drinking within sight of the pitch for 90 minutes cures anything or reduces alcohol intake at a game of football. It certainly doesn't.

What it does do is create extra problems that have never been considered and also encourages binge drinking at certain points. Its not very civilised and is almost agreed by all parties that it needs changing.

Everybody keeps referencing alcohol, but cocaine is rife and this plays a massive part with what we are witnessing. 

[silent majority]

And some people still think serving alcohol in the stands is the way forward. Beggars belief

nothing to do with serving alcohol at grounds

Really Upton, nothing?? Nothing at all? Bold statement to make when you consider the amount of alcohol induced assaults in town on a Friday and Saturday night.

If you don’t believe that allowing individuals such as this yet more access to alcohol during games won’t lead to an increase in disorder then I suggest you need to think about this again.You will get idiots who have 1 alcopop and they think they are Mike Tyson, the ones who want a drink and to enjoy it just go out a few hours before kick off, now when not if alcohol will be allowed to be served in plastic glasses to enjoy at your seat, these people will go to the ground for a pint. I ran a pub when the new licensing laws came in, and people said we will have trouble from 10am till 12pm, this was not true and at closing time there were far less unsociable behaviour cases after the law was changed to all day opening, and that’s the case now, I guess you don’t like people who enjoy a drink.

So there's the solution - all day drinking at football grounds, it'll cut the violence.

You should really read up on the data and the evidence if you, or anybody else, considers that the situation we currently have here, and that drinking within sight of the pitch for 90 minutes cures anything or reduces alcohol intake at a game of football. It certainly doesn't.

What it does do is create extra problems that have never been considered and also encourages binge drinking at certain points. Its not very civilised and is almost agreed by all parties that it needs changing.

Everybody keeps referencing alcohol, but cocaine is rife and this plays a massive part with what we are witnessing. 

That's very true.

It's also more than a suggestion from various parts that the use of Cocaine should be met with banning orders when taken in a football context.

[drfchound]

Patrick Viera in an altercation with a fan during the Everton pitch invasion.

 

The Viera incident.  Patrick kicked out at the 'fan' after this.  https://twitter.com/frankie_efc/status/1527412786032168968

Disgusting how the fan is in Vieras face and screaming at him.
It wouldn’t have happened obviously if fans had stayed off the pitch.
PV can hardly be blamed for reacting to it.

[Sammy Chung was King]

He will have wanted Vieira to hit him so he can have a jolly up down the pub and let him pay for it.

[drfchound]

I would not be surprised though if Vierra was charged with something for kicking out at the idiot fan.

[turnbull for england]

He will have wanted Vieira to hit him so he can have a jolly up down the pub and let him pay for it.
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I bet if Veira caught him right he'd have to watch it again to remember it

[donnybez]

What I find interesting is York City had a pitch invasion with bad behaviour much like Huddersfield, and Forest, and Everton, and Rotherham, and so on...

Thing is York then suffered a reduction in capacity for not one but BOTH play off matches that followed.

Yet no one seems to be suggesting that this should be the case to these teams following these incidents...

But truthfully, there should have been something done about this when Grealish was assaulted by a Brum City fan years ago

[Donnywolf]

On a very serious note I have often said on here that the blame for Hillsborough has been apportioned to many people , Organisations & factors

One thing is clear - the Fences contributed hugely to the massive loss of life and appalling injuries

.. and the Fences were there because [as we have seen recently] ordinary people / football fans could not behave properly at games

Lets NOT go back there please

[SydneyRover]

Thank God you're not a psychiatrist, you're really awful at trying to understand how other peoples' minds work. And I'm not just referring to me.

And as I've joined this discussion, where is the offensiveness and the insulting that you say I can't join a discussion without?

Now then, without you trying to change the subject because you keep telling us how much you dislike it, lets get back to what you've just ignored:

What about you being not only offensive and insulting but deliberately engineering a situation where you can be? You admit you did so yourself.

How do you know that he’s awful at understanding how the minds of other people work?

I thought it would be bleedingly obvious even to you belton, noone likes alcohol fuelled violence, in town, on the pitch ........ or from behind the keyboard.

[DonnyBazR0ver]

Quite an irony during a discussion about standards of behaviour in society playing out in front of the cameras at football matches, we have two senior contributors to this forum going at each other.

Who should be setting those standards and leading by example?

[BillyStubbsTears]

Pitch invasions and other uncontrolled hooligan behaviour led to fences between fans and pitch. Fences contributed to the Hillsborough disaster. We don’t want either extreme again.

Generational forgetfulness.

Those of us in our mid-40s and older have Hillsborough seared on our consciousness. And we know that there was a direct feed line from the behaviour of our generation at matches, to fans being cooped up in what turned out to be death cages.

For anyone under 40, Hillsborough is ancient history. In my more pessimistic moments, I do wonder whether humanity is just too stupid to learn. Maybe every generation has to have its own disaster. And maybe football is in the foothills of the next one.

[Colin C No.3]

In the eighties I was at Belle Vue standing opposite the Pop Side just to get a different perspective of the game for a change.

If memory serves me right, we were playing Mansfield, although it could have been another team from the Nottinghamshire area.

The away side won a corner & there was some cheering from away fans sat in the Main Stand. A bloke (Rovers ‘supporter’) in his early ‘fourties’ perhaps, turned around & yelled “F…. off you scabs” his face contorted & spittle following the word scab landing in my face. He turned around & said something to his ‘mate’. I wiped his spittle from my face (there’s nothing worse than being spat on by someone inches from your face & not receiving an apology in an instance like this..IMO) so I tapped him on the shoulder & when his head whipped around I said “You’ve just spat, right in my face”. His response…?
“Well you should have turned your bloody head round then”, & he promptly turned his back on me.

How, or would you have responded to that?

[River Don]

There's a lot of talk about just why football hooliganism appears to be on the rise again.

One big change that was really evident at the England Wembley final was the use of cocaine. i don't know if that happens in the lower leagues but it certainly is higher up the pyramid. It seems to be more a feature of big games like these at the end of the season.

[drfchound]

There's a lot of talk about just why football hooliganism appears to be on the rise again.

One big change that was really evident at the England Wembley final was the use of cocaine. i don't know if that happens in the lower leagues but it certainly is higher up the pyramid. It seems to be more a feature of big games like these at the end of the season.

At the Scunny FACup game last season there were two young blokes in our end who who totally shitfaced.
Their eyes were glazed over and they were barely able to stand.
I was convinced it wasn’t the demon drink that had put them in that condition.

[rich1471]

In February, the national lead for football policing, chief constable Mark Roberts, said cocaine use is helping to drive a rise in disorder at matches.

On Thursday, the government announced anyone caught in possession of or supplying class A drugs in connection with football faces a five-year ban and their passport being taken off them.From the bbc

[Jonathan]

In February, the national lead for football policing, chief constable Mark Roberts, said cocaine use is helping to drive a rise in disorder at matches.

On Thursday, the government announced anyone caught in possession of or supplying class A drugs in connection with football faces a five-year ban and their passport being taken off them.From the bbc

They ought to apply the same in the House of Commons.

[DonnyBazR0ver]

It really irks me when we take the lazy way out by going down the road of punishing everyone due to a mindless minority.

This is what led us to fencing in fans at grounds in the first place. If you treat people like animals, you're more likely to get animal behaviour.

We should always punish the individuals for their crimes.

Post match Mass celebrations are joyous occasions and the vast majority of fans do not take part with intention of assaulting anyone. Why punish the majority of people who know how to behave?