It's not me it's EU

[drfchound]

I'm actually referencing what this voting system has thrown up and suggesting it could hardly be worse. As you have said a country divided, a liar and law breaker at the helm and an economy in tatters etc.

Hardly worse?

I'm thinking Catweazle in charge and the country in civil war, what this would of done for the situation in Ukraine does not bare thinking about.

sounds like you would have disrespected the result

Of course no one has disrespected the result of the last GE have they?

People voted for a liar, they got a liar. What's to disrespect?

Irrespective, some of you do.

It's almost like the disrespect shown by a forum user who calls regularly calls other forum users a stalker or troller just because they dare to disagree with them, isn't it?

Absolutely true Glyn.
However I asked BST to block me because I was fed up with him doing that to me.
He was kind enough to do so and I am much happier now.

[danumdon]

PS.
The only solution I see is PR and an alliance of the defenders of the concept of Objective Truth. It would help if the unions would stop blocking Labour conference in its support for PR.

BST, why is it the unions keep blocking PR in the Labour movement?

Because they are pinning their hopes on a Labour Govt elected with a majority of seats on a minority of votes that they can then influence. A Labour-led coalition that has to accommodate other views waters down their power.

By the way, you DO know that two of the last 4 Tory PMs have already relied on NI Unionist votes to get stuff through the House?

And that this couldn't happen with SF because they refuse to take their seats?

In effect your saying that Labour are as morally deficient as the governing party, its just a case of power at any cost without worrying about maintaining a moral majority.

[BillyStubbsTears]

No. I'm saying that's the attitude of the unions, many of which are living in a past era.

Labour members want PR by a split something like 80-20.

Do you accept the flaws in your argument about minority nationalist parties?

[Branton Red]

How much of that is labour realising that it would actually harm them as much as the Tories? Whilst both major parties have the power it isn't ever going to change.

Just remember, pr probably would have seen ukip at least a minor party in a coalition.

Strengthening democracy is always a good thing (in of itself).

Arguing that we shouldn't strengthen our democracy because YOU don't like the potential electoral consequences is akin to an argument towards greater authoritarianism because you like the potential autocrat. 

[Ldr]

No. I'm saying that's the attitude of the unions, many of which are living in a past era.

Labour members want PR by a split something like 80-20.

Do you accept the flaws in your argument about minority nationalist parties?

Labour members wanted Jeremy Corbyn, not too confident in their judgement

[BillyStubbsTears]

Ldr
You're getting your wires crossed. The question was whether Labour supports PR, not whether that is a good thing. So I don't understand your point.

[Ldr]

Ldr
You're getting your wires crossed. The question was whether Labour supports PR, not whether that is a good thing. So I don't understand your point.

You stated Labour members want pr. given the choices Labour membership have made in the past. I seriously doubt the judgement of the Labour membership on anything

[danumdon]

No. I'm saying that's the attitude of the unions, many of which are living in a past era.

Labour members want PR by a split something like 80-20.

Do you accept the flaws in your argument about minority nationalist parties?

But don't you see, the Labour movement is nothing without the unions, the Labour movement is the unions, not some smarmy metropolitan types who in effect have hijacked the party for their personal narrative.

If the unions all marched out on mass today and stopped the unions sub the party as it stands would collapse tomorrow.

The right wing elements would be free to piggyback onto the LD's. The left can then start again and rebuild their Labour movement in the true manner it was created for.

[SydneyRover]

...... as said by BigH the tory party is UKIP