Albanians

[Sprotyrover]

Chuffing Spiders! It has taken god knows how many years for the Woke  Home Office to realise that most asylum seekers aren’t genuine and actually come from a fellow European Country that the Government recognises as a comfortable safe place to live!
My land was an immigration decider in Sheffield 5 years ago and boy are they , Albanians a pain in the butt! couple of thousand already clogging the Custody system after abusing our woke benefits system and good nature!

[Nudga]

Small army of fighting age men in our country.

[DonnyOsmond]

Chuffing Spiders! It has taken god knows how many years for the Woke  Home Office to realise that most asylum seekers aren’t genuine and actually come from a fellow European Country that the Government recognises as a comfortable safe place to live!
My land was an immigration decider in Sheffield 5 years ago and boy are they , Albanians a pain in the butt! couple of thousand already clogging the Custody system after abusing our woke benefits system and good nature!

I'm calling Bingo!

[SydneyRover]

Chuffing Spiders! It has taken god knows how many years for the Woke  Home Office to realise that most asylum seekers aren’t genuine and actually come from a fellow European Country that the Government recognises as a comfortable safe place to live!
My land was an immigration decider in Sheffield 5 years ago and boy are they , Albanians a pain in the butt! couple of thousand already clogging the Custody system after abusing our woke benefits system and good nature!

Why don't you ask the current government if it has kept control of the borders and it's brexit promises allowing 1.2 million immigrants into the UK within a year for the first time ever?

[BillyStubbsTears]

The Woke Home Office?

Under Priti Patel?

So "Woke" now means "Anything slightly more liberal than Ghengis Khan"?

[Sprotyrover]

The Woke Home Office?

Under Priti Patel?

So "Woke" now means "Anything slightly more liberal than Ghengis Khan"?

Yes those twits will re patriate the Albanians to Algeria

[tyke1962]

This thread was never going to end well was it .

[Colemans Left Hook]

Bring back King Zog I say

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zog_I_of_Albania

with Norman Wisadom as his right hand man

[SydneyRover]

''There are lies, damn lies, and then there is Home Office propaganda about migrants''

''Take, for instance, the latest panic over Albanians. It began with an article in the Daily Mail, drawing on a “secret military intelligence report”, claiming that 40% of cross-Channel migrants were Albanian. Radio 4’s Today programme on Thursday claimed that “government officials believe the majority” of people arriving on small boats were from Albania, a claim presented without challenge as a fact. That same day, the Home Office unveiled an agreement with Tirana to “fast-track” the removal of Albanians, who apparently don’t require asylum because they come from a “safe and prosperous nation”.

The statistics tell a different story. The number of Albanians crossing the Channel has certainly increased, but in the first six months of this year stood at around 17% of the total. It is possible that the figures have dramatically changed since the end of June, but we have little evidence for that except for unverified Home Office sources and a secret document from military intelligence.

The claim that Albanians don’t need asylum because they come from a “safe” country is also belied by the data. In the year ending this June, 53% of Albanian claimants had been granted asylum, or other forms of leave to stay in the country, on first decision, and a higher proportion on appeal. Between January and June this year that amounted to 385 people; fewer than half that figure were formally refused. What happens to the majority of Albanians who might otherwise have been granted asylum when they are placed in a “fast-track” deportation lane, no one will say''

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2022/aug/28/there-are-lies-damn-lies-and-then-there-is-home-office-propaganda-about-migrants

hmmm

[Ldr]

https://twitter.com/statsjamie/status/1562908906086895617?s=21&t=trxBKnFU9hpA8K8Js_r1zw

[SydneyRover]

this is the important bit I guess

''The claim that Albanians don’t need asylum because they come from a “safe” country is also belied by the data. In the year ending this June, 53% of Albanian claimants had been granted asylum, or other forms of leave to stay in the country, on first decision, and a higher proportion on appeal. Between January and June this year that amounted to 385 people; fewer than half that figure were formally refused. What happens to the majority of Albanians who might otherwise have been granted asylum when they are placed in a “fast-track” deportation lane, no one will say''''

[Sprotyrover]

this is the important bit I guess

''The claim that Albanians don’t need asylum because they come from a “safe” country is also belied by the data. In the year ending this June, 53% of Albanian claimants had been granted asylum, or other forms of leave to stay in the country, on first decision, and a higher proportion on appeal. Between January and June this year that amounted to 385 people; fewer than half that figure were formally refused. What happens to the majority of Albanians who might otherwise have been granted asylum when they are placed in a “fast-track” deportation lane, no one will say''''

So they shoot or stab another Albanian from a rival clan and then they are subject of a blood feud and they come over here claim their life is in danger(Which it is,by their own doing) and our woke HO grants them asylum then they repay our hospitality by criminality
And get into the Prison system where they are merrily bed blocking fighting the legal system which wants to deport them from whence they came! I fail to see how upsetting some other group of Albanians in Albania gets you the right to asylum.

[SydneyRover]

this is the important bit I guess

''The claim that Albanians don’t need asylum because they come from a “safe” country is also belied by the data. In the year ending this June, 53% of Albanian claimants had been granted asylum, or other forms of leave to stay in the country, on first decision, and a higher proportion on appeal. Between January and June this year that amounted to 385 people; fewer than half that figure were formally refused. What happens to the majority of Albanians who might otherwise have been granted asylum when they are placed in a “fast-track” deportation lane, no one will say''''

So they shoot or stab another Albanian from a rival clan and then they are subject of a blood feud and they come over here claim their life is in danger(Which it is,by their own doing) and our woke HO grants them asylum then they repay our hospitality by criminality
And get into the Prison system where they are merrily bed blocking fighting the legal system which wants to deport them from whence they came! I fail to see how upsetting some other group of Albanians in Albania gets you the right to asylum.

Maybe you should start a legal challenge of your own against the Home Office for giving people asylum under the HRC for refugees. Tell them you are outraged that what amounts less than 0.05% of the total intake of people from overseas to the UK are Albanians.

[RobTheRover]

this is the important bit I guess

''The claim that Albanians don’t need asylum because they come from a “safe” country is also belied by the data. In the year ending this June, 53% of Albanian claimants had been granted asylum, or other forms of leave to stay in the country, on first decision, and a higher proportion on appeal. Between January and June this year that amounted to 385 people; fewer than half that figure were formally refused. What happens to the majority of Albanians who might otherwise have been granted asylum when they are placed in a “fast-track” deportation lane, no one will say''''

So they shoot or stab another Albanian from a rival clan and then they are subject of a blood feud and they come over here claim their life is in danger(Which it is,by their own doing) and our woke HO grants them asylum then they repay our hospitality by criminality
And get into the Prison system where they are merrily bed blocking fighting the legal system which wants to deport them from whence they came! I fail to see how upsetting some other group of Albanians in Albania gets you the right to asylum.

Maybe you should start a legal challenge of your own against the Home Office for giving people asylum under the HRC for refugees. Tell them you are outraged that what amounts less than 0.05% of the total intake of people from overseas to the UK are Albanians.

That, or stop reading the "We are the 17 million" Facebook page. You are buying into the great lie that the UK has gone to shit because of Albanians when the truth is its because of Tories.

[DonnyOsmond]

Aye, you're the 17 million because you believed the country went to shit because of foreigners, not cuts from austerity and the only people that could stop the foreigners are the people that caused the UK to be shit in the first place.

[Sprotyrover]

Interesting Never even knew the page existed to be honest and I had a look and I have better things to do than read through that lot!

[Panda]

If we're honest though. Given the state of our services these days with rife ineptness, rampant gross mismanagement, extreme wokery and a proliferation of excuses for poor service then if these organizations were given trillions by the Tories (which obs won't happen) then they'd still be shit and failing.

Would the NHS vastly improve if it were given a trillion quid tomorrow?

Would our justice system suddenly start taking victims of crime seriously by banging up offenders for serious amounts of time that they deserve if they were given a trillion tomorrow?

Would our police force suddenly make the streets safer tomorrow if they were given a trillion quid?

Would local authorities suddenly start providing fit for purpose services to the taxpayer if they got a trillion quid tomorrow?

And so on and so forth.

The answer to all is NO.

Because they are all poorly run, incompetently managed, swamped with non jobs commanding large salaries and have a culture of nothing being their fault.

The Tories, for as much as i despise them, wouldn't improve these failing services if they drip fed them millions daily. They are fundamentally and systemically dysfunctional and all need structural root and branch reform and to drop the wokery to ever have a hope of providing a fit for purpose service for taxpayers.

You can only blame politicians for so much.

[RobTheRover]

Interesting Never even knew the page existed to be honest and I had a look and I have better things to do than read through that lot!

It's atrocious but it doesn't half draw the gammonati thinking out. The meme about gas and electricity pricing being the fault of Greta Thunberg, and the clueless pricks all agreeing, was frightening. Critical thinking seems to be in short supply in the UK.

[BillyStubbsTears]

"Would the NHS vastly improve if it were given a trillion quid tomorrow?"

Err. I'm going to go out on a limb and say "yes".

Just like it did when Brown increased funding from 2001-2010.

[BillyStubbsTears]

Interesting Never even knew the page existed to be honest and I had a look and I have better things to do than read through that lot!

It's atrocious but it doesn't half draw the gammonati thinking out. The meme about gas and electricity pricing being the fault of Greta Thunberg, and the clueless pricks all agreeing, was frightening. Critical thinking seems to be in short supply in the UK.

That'll be because we were told we should trust our gut prejudices, not listen to experts.

You can do that for a while. But eventually you burn the whole f**king house down.

[Sprotyrover]

Interesting Never even knew the page existed to be honest and I had a look and I have better things to do than read through that lot!

It's atrocious but it doesn't half draw the gammonati thinking out. The meme about gas and electricity pricing being the fault of Greta Thunberg, and the clueless pricks all agreeing, was frightening. Critical thinking seems to be in short supply in the UK.

I got as far as the Thunberg thread and started losing the Will to live and promptly left when Nigel Farages face appeared.

[Panda]

"Would the NHS vastly improve if it were given a trillion quid tomorrow?"

Err. I'm going to go out on a limb and say "yes".

Just like it did when Brown increased funding from 2001-2010.

NHS Trusts these days are run by people who waste money willy nilly. Give them more, they will find ways to waste it. Probably by making a hospital net zero at a cost of millions whilst having about 3 nurses staffing it's A&E on £10 quid an hour.

Back in 2001 it was a different culture but it was still poorly performing. I concede that it did improve though like you say under Labour but the level of that improvement? In 2001 the median waiting time for a hip replacement on the NHS was 215 days, more than double that of Australia at that time.

Giving the NHS more money in it's current guise is like burning it in front of our eyes sadly and that is because we have NHS Trusts that have managers who prioritise unnecessary spending over necessary spending. That wouldn't change if you gave them an extra trillion.

[tyke1962]

"Would the NHS vastly improve if it were given a trillion quid tomorrow?"

Err. I'm going to go out on a limb and say "yes".

Just like it did when Brown increased funding from 2001-2010.

NHS Trusts these days are run by people who waste money willy nilly. Give them more, they will find ways to waste it. Probably by making a hospital net zero at a cost of millions whilst having about 3 nurses staffing it's A&E on £10 quid an hour.

Back in 2001 it was a different culture but it was still poorly performing. I concede that it did improve though like you say under Labour but the level of that improvement? In 2001 the median waiting time for a hip replacement on the NHS was 215 days, more than double that of Australia at that time.

Giving the NHS more money in it's current guise is like burning it in front of our eyes sadly and that is because we have NHS Trusts that have managers who prioritise unnecessary spending over necessary spending. That wouldn't change if you gave them an extra trillion.

Perhaps we should fully privatise our health system , bring in the experts .

Get rid of all that waste , increase that efficiency along with waiting lists .

Do you agree ?

[Panda]

"Would the NHS vastly improve if it were given a trillion quid tomorrow?"

Err. I'm going to go out on a limb and say "yes".

Just like it did when Brown increased funding from 2001-2010.

NHS Trusts these days are run by people who waste money willy nilly. Give them more, they will find ways to waste it. Probably by making a hospital net zero at a cost of millions whilst having about 3 nurses staffing it's A&E on £10 quid an hour.

Back in 2001 it was a different culture but it was still poorly performing. I concede that it did improve though like you say under Labour but the level of that improvement? In 2001 the median waiting time for a hip replacement on the NHS was 215 days, more than double that of Australia at that time.

Giving the NHS more money in it's current guise is like burning it in front of our eyes sadly and that is because we have NHS Trusts that have managers who prioritise unnecessary spending over necessary spending. That wouldn't change if you gave them an extra trillion.

Perhaps we should fully privatise our health system , bring in the experts .

Get rid of all that waste , increase that efficiency along with waiting lists .

Do you agree ?

Perhaps. The NHS and managers need to be accountable for failure and to ensure that patients get the care and treatment they need when they need it. Not 6 months / 2 years later.

All i care about is that if i need a hernia repair then i get it within at least a month. Not the 2 years i had to wait when i had one recently. I don't care how that is made to happen but it needs to happen and if it doesn't then managers need sacking.

[tyke1962]

"Would the NHS vastly improve if it were given a trillion quid tomorrow?"

Err. I'm going to go out on a limb and say "yes".

Just like it did when Brown increased funding from 2001-2010.

NHS Trusts these days are run by people who waste money willy nilly. Give them more, they will find ways to waste it. Probably by making a hospital net zero at a cost of millions whilst having about 3 nurses staffing it's A&E on £10 quid an hour.

Back in 2001 it was a different culture but it was still poorly performing. I concede that it did improve though like you say under Labour but the level of that improvement? In 2001 the median waiting time for a hip replacement on the NHS was 215 days, more than double that of Australia at that time.

Giving the NHS more money in it's current guise is like burning it in front of our eyes sadly and that is because we have NHS Trusts that have managers who prioritise unnecessary spending over necessary spending. That wouldn't change if you gave them an extra trillion.

Perhaps we should fully privatise our health system , bring in the experts .

Get rid of all that waste , increase that efficiency along with waiting lists .

Do you agree ?

Perhaps. The NHS and managers need to be accountable for failure and to ensure that patients get the care and treatment they need when they need it. Not 6 months / 2 years later.

All i care about is that if i need a hernia repair then i get it within at least a month. Not the 2 years i had to wait when i had one recently. I don't care how that is made to happen but it needs to happen and if it doesn't then managers need sacking.

All your issues can easily be resolved by purchasing private health care , plenty of providers .

Whilst I don't disagree totally with your assessment of the NHS because it could improve in many areas .

The real issue here with the NHS is that the population of this country has increased significantly since the 1980's , people also live longer and the electorate vote consistently for a low tax government of either stripe .

The country gets the health care provision it votes for given a party putting higher taxation in their manifesto wouldn't likely form a government .

[Colin C No.3]

"Would the NHS vastly improve if it were given a trillion quid tomorrow?"

Err. I'm going to go out on a limb and say "yes".

Just like it did when Brown increased funding from 2001-2010.

NHS Trusts these days are run by people who waste money willy nilly. Give them more, they will find ways to waste it. Probably by making a hospital net zero at a cost of millions whilst having about 3 nurses staffing it's A&E on £10 quid an hour.

Back in 2001 it was a different culture but it was still poorly performing. I concede that it did improve though like you say under Labour but the level of that improvement? In 2001 the median waiting time for a hip replacement on the NHS was 215 days, more than double that of Australia at that time.

Giving the NHS more money in it's current guise is like burning it in front of our eyes sadly and that is because we have NHS Trusts that have managers who prioritise unnecessary spending over necessary spending. That wouldn't change if you gave them an extra trillion.

Perhaps we should fully privatise our health system , bring in the experts .

Get rid of all that waste , increase that efficiency along with waiting lists .

Do you agree ?

Perhaps. The NHS and managers need to be accountable for failure and to ensure that patients get the care and treatment they need when they need it. Not 6 months / 2 years later.

All i care about is that if i need a hernia repair then i get it within at least a month. Not the 2 years i had to wait when i had one recently. I don't care how that is made to happen but it needs to happen and if it doesn't then managers need sacking.

The NHS can’t recruit enough doctors & nurses….end of.

That’s your starting point right there, not mis management but the simple fact that consecutive (in the main Tory) haven’t given sufficient pay grades to both doctors & nurses which is why many of them are either leaving the profession altogether or pi**ing off to Australia (whose population by the way to put one of your earlier ramblings into perspective is one third that of the UK) so your £trillion would go a long way to reversing that trend.

As would the £trillion you’d throw at the police. Let’s get back to ‘Dixon of Dock Green’ policing where a window broken is a crime & a police officer attends immediately to a 999 call. Get coppers walking the beat again & knowing their patch.

So when you say ‘it can’t all be laid at the government’s door’, why do we elect them?

To ensure we have good healthcare (“The NHS is safe in our hands”, “We are wrapping our arms around care homes”……bollox) to ensure our kids & the elderly are safe on the streets & in the parks, to ensure its citizens don’t have to queue at food banks or seek warmth in a library or church.

And don’t get me started on the £millions this government wasted on sh*t PPE contracts where money paid out to fraudsters was written off & useless PPE was burned.

[SydneyRover]

The tories inherited an NHS that gave the best bang for buck over most, if not all others.