Cressida Dick, was she worth it?

[idler]

Have you ever commented in a thread Sydney without being involved in an argument or starting one?
Just asking.

I’m 74 Sydney and never heard the joke.
I have never hit a woman either so I have answered your question though.

[SydneyRover]

Then this may help you idler

''A loaded question is a form of complex question that contains a controversial assumption (e.g., a presumption of guilt).[1]''

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Loaded_question

[idler]

Was it a loaded question?
It just seems that just about every thread involves you arguing with various posters. I think that is a pretty fair assumption.

[SydneyRover]

Are you looking for an argument yourself idler?

[idler]

No Sydney after a long hard day stuck waiting at Bradford Royal Infirmary I am looking for a good night’s sleep and I will be turning in in a couple of minutes.

[SydneyRover]

No Sydney after a long hard day stuck waiting at Bradford Royal Infirmary I am looking for a good night’s sleep and I will be turning in in a couple of minutes.

I sympathise as our hospitals here are stretched but maybe not to the same extent. If you are looking for a way to advance sleep you can look through my back catalogue.

[Bentley Bullet]

Isn't it ironic that the subject of this thread has gone from one Dick to an even bigger one!

[SydneyRover]

Isn't it ironic that the subject of this thread has gone from one Dick to an even bigger one!

hehe bb self flagellation is your forte

[SydneyRover]

You need to understand that it should be a service rather than a force.

What’s that’s supposed to mean? They provide a service, and are named, by many, still, as a Force.
What about Fire Service.? Some still give them the military term Brigade?

I don't think the fire service has the same problems as the police have they nr?

I wouldn’t be too sure of that.
Very well documented reports of widespread mysonginism, bullying and racism in London fire brigade. Which will no doubt be replicated but less reported nationally. Huge issues over funding nationally. Issues with recruitment and retention too.
Oh, and they are about to go on strike over pay and conditions.
Something the police aren’t allowed to do, but I’m pretty sure they would if they could.

It's good that you and hound have finally accepted there are problems within the police instead of your few bad apples theory (similar to johnson trumpeting the that 20 thousand more police are required don't you think) but where we differ on this point is the fire brigade does not have the power of arrest nor does it have the same level of direct interaction with the public.

[SydneyRover]

As you appear to have an answer for everything nr I'm surprised you didn't make it further up in the ranks yourself.

I unreservedly withdraw my comment it was uncalled for.

[number19]

Sydney,
I have a read on here most days, rarely post but felt the urge to enter the details today having read this thread just to say I think you're a pr!ck and I dare bet many of here will disagree with me.

[Superspy]

https://www.drfc-vsc.co.uk/index.php?topic=285866.0

[BobG]

I don't agree number19. Without alternative thinking there is absolutely zero development and zero progress. Without alternative thinking the Luddites triumph.

One does not need to agree with everything somebody says. But one should, always, think about the messages they give. If you don't, how will you ever grow and develop? It's being challenged that makes us all reflect and refine and develop our own thinking.

Sydney is a star. Without him, and a few ithers like him, this Board would be utterly sterile.

Sydney: you carry on. It's empty vessels that make most noise.

BobG

[StocktonRover]

Well Bob, just picking up on that analogy, it's Sydney who's making the most noise!
I'll stop short of name calling but he certainly appears to set out to be confrontational and looking for a "bite".

[BobG]

He should be praised for it too. You don't have to agree - but we should all bloody well THINK. Without Sydney and Billy who on here makes us actually think? Question our beliefs? Broaden our knowledge? Both Sydney and BST provide huge amounts of evidence and references to support their arguments. That is something that the vast majority of those who oppose them rarely, if ever, do. That, of course, disqualifies them from serious consideration since their arguments are emotionally based rather than factually based.

BobG

PS The empty vessel I was referring to was not Sydney! Empty vessels make a lot of noise; noise without purpose, rhythm or structure. I'm sure you can work out what I was saying.

[SydneyRover]

Well Bob, what can I say but thanks for your valiant support for open and fact based debate, I have however been deemed argumentative by a/the moderator and as I have previously stated one 'lives or dies by their decisions' I will accept it (and not squeal and carry on and threaten to quit or anything else)

I will however try to ignore the brickbats and isolationists comments and hopefully enjoy genuine fact based debate.

I will leave it that before I get myself into more trouble, I hold no malice towards those that disagree with me or use playground epithets, I occasionally use them myself.

[scawsby steve]

He should be praised for it too. You don't have to agree - but we should all bloody well THINK. Without Sydney and Billy who on here makes us actually think? Question our beliefs? Broaden our knowledge? Both Sydney and BST provide huge amounts of evidence and references to support their arguments. That is something that the vast majority of those who oppose them rarely, if ever, do. That, of course, disqualifies them from serious consideration since their arguments are emotionally based rather than factually based.

BobG

PS The empty vessel I was referring to was not Sydney! Empty vessels make a lot of noise; noise without purpose, rhythm or structure. I'm sure you can work out what I was saying.

You're right, Sydney makes us think all right; he makes us wonder what kind of bloke would insult a decent guy like Idler with the disgusting comment he made.

It's funny, not long back you were berating people on here for not possessing your level of intellect, and here you are drooling about the posts of someone who's grammar and spelling is appalling.

I'm sure you can work out what I'm saying.

[normal rules]

As you appear to have an answer for everything nr I'm surprised you didn't make it further up in the ranks yourself.

I unreservedly withdraw my comment it was uncalled for.

I’d actually overlooked this comment SR.
If your comment withdrawal is sincere. Then I thank you.
You have shown a side I don’t think Ive seen on here. And perhaps other haven’t either.

But on the note of promotion etc, I’d like to confirm that I joined as a pc, and retired very happily as a pc just over 2 yrs ago. Now this does not tell the full story. Unlike many organisations within the public sector, there is no shame is remaining at the working level of policing. Far from it. I didn’t join till I was 30 having spent 14 yrs I HM forces prior. And with the experience I had gleaned in the Army, I quickly realised that the promotion system within the police was flawed. Quite frankly anyone could get promoted should they wish.For me, that made promotion unworthy. Unjustified. Futile .
Instead I chose to remain in a position where I could influence from the bottom up. Aged 30, I had already gained levels of experience in conflict resolution, peacekeeping, communication skills , public speaking, overall confidence and general bearing way above the standards of many of my so called senior officers.
Over the years I’ve had senior officers come to me to seek advice on matters. You may not believe this but it’s true.
I have enjoyed a position at the lowest rank within the police where I have been held in high regard by most of the seniors I have served under. I have had their ear, and been listened to when It mattered. Trusted. Respected.
I have no regrets around avoiding promotion in the police. None at all.
To do so would mean selling your soul. And you’d only know what I mean by this if you have served.

[SydneyRover]

Thanks for your generosity NR, I withdrew my comment because I made it in haste, it was childish. I should not have questioned your position in the ranks as it goes against my beliefs that those occupying the power rungs or not even on the ladder are not inherently stupid nor criminal.

[Sprotyrover]

The office of Constable is the most important rank in the Police,On joining they swear an Oath on whatever book they deem as Holy infront of Three Magistrates they swear to serve the Sovereign and protect the Public.If they break that Oath the courts will and do inflict the top end of the Tarriff available, hence  Mark Hinchcliffe ex West yorks Police got a 6 month Prison sentence for trying to dodge 2 speeding fines. He was required to resign as was his wife also a Police employee. A member of the Public would be looking at 12 points and a £1400 fine if found guilty of the same offences.
Police Constables who have received the specialist training and experience also run training courses for very Senior Police officers
To be licensed to Command very High level Public events, said Senior Officers will usually also request the assistance of such a Constable to act as their 'Tactical Advisor'  The Laws of England and Wales are vast and complex and it is necessary to have such highly trained specialist officers who spend the remainder of their career in that particular function.