BBC and lineker

[sedwardsdrfc]

The left think the bbc is right wing and the right think it’s left wing. Always have done.
I don’t particularly like the bbc and couldn’t care less about Linekar but it must be doing something for balance to achieve this.

This may be the most important discussion in the UK atm, freedom of the press and the media, there are certainly questions to be answered about why some can offer their views and others cannot. Independence of the bbc from government interference, any government is vital.

Abolish the license fee and make it stand on its own 2 feet as a private company? Or in some other vague way?

You're just muddying the waters nc, the detail about what was said or how independence is achieved is secondary to a government controlled media.

Do you think we need a state broadcaster?

Well, of course our leading broadcast companies could be owned by a Berlusconi or a Murdoch...

The BBC model works superbly, IF it has a reasonable political balance in senior management.

That's the core of what has gone wrong here.

A politically unbalanced leadership has insisted that it should bothsides everything.

Bothsidesism doesn't give balance. It gives a massive advantage to the side in politics that wants to push the rules to breaking point.

Do ITV / Channel 4 have a political bias?

Channel 4 is a state broadcaster. And ITV could get bought by the Saudis or Qataris any day and suddenly become less impartial.

That the BBC is there keeps the others in line.

[DonnyOsmond]

We can go on for ever on this topic. Despite what Liniker said the majority of our population don’t want the current cross channel invasion to continue. My view is that the current influx are sponsored by gangs who have sinister ambitions this is damaging for the genuine asylum seekers. Linikers comparison is a slur on the democracy and freedom that we enjoy today what’s more it didn’t come cheap. All this clap trap about extreme left or right simply won’t happen here the general public won’t allow it.

Don't use words like invasion, it makes it sound like we're at war. These are people who want to claim asylum in our country due to family, language or other reasons and a lot will be escaping persecution, they're not an enemy. It is completely wrong that they're coming over in boats, but that's because there is no safe way of applying for asylum in the UK, other than to get to the UK first.

[BillyStubbsTears]

Goole.

Of the people who arrived in boats last year, claimed asylum and had their cases processed, 62% were granted asylum.

Yes there are people abusing the system.

The solution is to root them out, process their cases and deport them.

What Braverman is doing is to lump all cases in the same boat (no pun intended) and class them all as being illegal.

She dehumanises the 62% of geniune asylum seekers by classing them all as being part of an "invasion" - a word you repeat.

She knows that her policy will criminalise the geniune asylum seekers.

She knows it has been heavily criticised by the UNHCR.

She knows her own department has said its 50/50 whether it is legal under the ECHR (other experts have said it's 100% certain that it is illegal).

That's the ECHR that we British basically wrote in the aftermath of WWII, to ensure that the rights of genuine asylum seekers would always be upheld.

She knows all this and she doesn't care.

She and her friends say this is the will of the people, and anyone opposing it is disloyal to the nation, or "unpatriotic" as one Tory donor put it this morning.

That's the attitude and language that Lineker was pointing out.

When you cut through the smoke of the Culture War battlefield, the question is simple.

Do you agree with Braverman, or with those who criticise her policy and language?

It's really as simple as that.

[LincsRover]

Whilst I have breath in my body I could never agree with Braverman and her divisive, racist rhetoric. There is a special place in hell for this malevolent piece of sh.*t! 

[Bristol Red Rover]

Perhaps we should look to the Jewish community for their reaction. Given the obvious and strong inference GL made in his tweet. This from the Jewish Chronicle today.

Karen Pollock, chief executive of the Holocaust Educational Trust, wrote in a Times op-ed: “However passionately we feel about important and pressing issues of the day, it seems to me that comparing those current concerns to the almost unimaginable horrors of the Nazi period is wrong.”

Holocaust survivor Agnes Grunwald-Spier MBE had said the Match of the Day host “should be ashamed” for his tweet.

It's got nothing to do with certain Jewish spokespeople. They have an agenda which they plug in their criticism. Did they focus on the boat people in their comments? Hypocrisy perhaps?

[Sammy Chung was King]

He had a cushy number and he messed it up ,by commenting on things he isn’t an expert in. He’s employed to present a football programme, that is what he knows about. He shouldn’t have commented on things he doesn’t understand. His ego is writing cheques that his brain can’t cash!

[SydneyRover]

So you understand him better than he does?

[coventryrover]

He had a cushy number and he messed it up ,by commenting on things he isn’t an expert in. He’s employed to present a football programme, that is what he knows about. He shouldn’t have commented on things he doesn’t understand. His ego is writing cheques that his brain can’t cash!

   com.enting on stuff he's not an expert in.    Then this firm might as well shut down.

What a load of bllcks

[ncRover]

Although I’m not a fan of his, the more I read in to this, the more I agree with what Linekar has said.

This country should be a beacon of hope and opportunity for people to come and better their lives. We should be setting examples for free speech as this is one value that sets us apart from the places these poor people are coming from.

We were making great strides as a country to recognise the human aspect to these refugee’s stories too, but terms such as “invasion” really do play on people’s tribal instincts. Even from a practical, economic viewpoint it is beneficial to have people wanting to come here to better themselves as that contributes to the economy. It is another pair of hands and a brain capable of solving problems.

This is worth a read - https://metro.co.uk/2023/02/21/im-an-asylum-seeker-and-was-in-the-hotel-targeted-by-far-right-rioters-18316836/

That being said, Gary probably knew there would be consequences to what he said due to the institution he works for. A junior intern would lose their job over this, so Gary can’t be above that because of his standing. The BBC state institution with rules on what it’s employees can express politically is looking increasingly outdated now.

[roverstillidie91]

Although I’m not a fan of his, the more I read in to this, the more I agree with what Linekar has said.

This country should be a beacon of hope and opportunity for people to come and better their lives. We should be setting examples for free speech as this is one value that sets us apart from the places these poor people are coming from.

We were making great strides as a country to recognise the human aspect to these refugee’s stories too, but terms such as “invasion” really do play on people’s tribal instincts. Even from a practical, economic viewpoint it is beneficial to have people wanting to come here to better themselves as that contributes to the economy. It is another pair of hands and a brain capable of solving problems.

This is worth a read - https://metro.co.uk/2023/02/21/im-an-asylum-seeker-and-was-in-the-hotel-targeted-by-far-right-rioters-18316836/

That being said, Gary probably knew there would be consequences to what he said due to the institution he works for. A junior intern would lose their job over this, so Gary can’t be above that because of his standing. The BBC state institution with rules on what it’s employees can express politically is looking increasingly outdated now.

All the right wing rag i.e. the sun, daily star, daily mail, kelvin mackenzie all the usual mob.

Tories are designed to turn everyone against each other, especially with the union strikes and then create a divide and run mentality. I've covered it numerous times on here.

If you read some of the media outlets double down news, novara media, wesayenough campaign, even a lot of what Jeremy Corbyn has said is coming true.

Don't evef trust a tory as they always say

[grayx]

I’d love to be a fly on the wall when Richard Sharp, who facilitated an £800000 loan for a lying, corrupt prime minister, lectures Gary Lineker on BBC impartiality. This government makes my piss boil with their hypocrisy and bigotry. F*ck*ng scum the lot of them & the sooner they are wiped out the better!

That Braverman thing deserves a special place in hell along with Johnson! 

Totally agree.. i share your anger.

[ravenrover]

Somewhere, Twitter?, there was an interview with a bloke talking about the words and language used by the likes of Cruella. He referred to a book written in the 20s , maybe someone can point me in the right direction, which was used in 30s Germany and included as a tactic, the use of 3 word slogans
Are modern politicians/advisors reading from the same book

[Branton Red]

Branton

There's a spectrum.

Fascism gains acceptance and responsibility by worming concepts into people's heads

Dehumanisation of "The Other" - e.g. saying we are being invaded by illegal aliens

Delegitimising of dissent - e.g. saying that the leftwing activist "blob" were being disloyal to the nation.

Calling on some mythical national will to take precedence over legal obligations.

All those methods were used in Germany in the early days of Hitler's ascent. All of them were used in the past few weeks by Braverman.

You choose two examples. I e from when Hitler was a nobody, a raving street fighter, a minor joke figure, before he realised he needed to couch his ideas in the sort of language I give examples of above. The other after fascism had triumphed and was out in the open.

You don't actually think that the German people in the 1930s woke up one morning and said "Right. Time to clear out the untermensch" do you?

That came from a decade of ground laying. If normalising the tropes in the examples I give above.

As this is decidedly "Off Topic" I have responded to the above post directed at me in the Lineker thread on the "Off Topic" section of this site.

[Campsall rover]

Perhaps we should look to the Jewish community for their reaction. Given the obvious and strong inference GL made in his tweet. This from the Jewish Chronicle today.

Karen Pollock, chief executive of the Holocaust Educational Trust, wrote in a Times op-ed: “However passionately we feel about important and pressing issues of the day, it seems to me that comparing those current concerns to the almost unimaginable horrors of the Nazi period is wrong.”

Holocaust survivor Agnes Grunwald-Spier MBE had said the Match of the Day host “should be ashamed” for his tweet.

It's got nothing to do with certain Jewish spokespeople. They have an agenda which they plug in their criticism. Did they focus on the boat people in their comments? Hypocrisy perhaps?

This should be in off topic. So you can reply in that BRR.
So what agenda is that.? Don’t like your tone. Care to elaborate please.