By-elections

[Bentley Bullet]

Ldr.

Yes, I couldn't agree more! I've been saying that for years.

It's a cast iron law of politics in this country. Oppositions do not ever win elections. Sitting governments lose them.

The only time, ever, that there is a change of Government is when the sitting Govt looks like it has run out of energy and authority. The task of an Opposition party is to look fresh and competent by comparison.

Anyone who thinks Oppositions win elections by enthusing people with some grand vision and detailed strategy is endearingly naïve.

I've given the example of Thatcher many times. THE great conviction politician  of the past 70 years. She didn't win in 1979 by telling the public that her economics plans involved massive increases in VAT, interest rates and unemployment. She won, because Labour looked knackered after the Winter of Discontent, and Thatcher looked fresh and competent by comparison.

The tories are knackered for sure.
Starmer isnt exactly “fresh” though
And I’d argue he isnt competent either.
What a f**king state this countries politics is in.
Shit or shitter.
Dumb or dumber.
Con socialists or socialists.
What a choice.

Aye. Just like we had folk 30 years ago telling us Blair and Brown were red Tories. Same folk who today refused to even look at the positive things they did for the country.

Did you forget to look at the positive things Blair did when you left the Labour Party?

[Bristol Red Rover]

Starmer and Reeves are like the Gerry Anderson version of Blair and Brown.

[wilts rover]

Corruption, contracts for cronys', PPE scandals & lying to the country - the reasons lifelong Tory voters in Wellingborough didn't vote for them on Thursday & won't vote for them ever again.

At least some Tories are decent people who wont be hoodwinked - unlike some posters here.

https://twitter.com/BylineTV/status/1758595027352138059

But Labour...

[drfchound]

Corruption, contracts for cronys', PPE scandals & lying to the country - the reasons lifelong Tory voters in Wellingborough didn't vote for them on Thursday & won't vote for them ever again.

At least some Tories are decent people who wont be hoodwinked - unlike some posters here.

https://twitter.com/BylineTV/status/1758595027352138059

But Labour...

As I have been saying, lots of people don’t bother voting as stated in that link.
It was also noticeable that several of those interviewed said they didn’t vote conservative this time but they didn’t say they voted for Labour either.
The general public aren’t interested in politics.

[Bristol Red Rover]

Corruption, contracts for cronys', PPE scandals & lying to the country - the reasons lifelong Tory voters in Wellingborough didn't vote for them on Thursday & won't vote for them ever again.

At least some Tories are decent people who wont be hoodwinked - unlike some posters here.

https://twitter.com/BylineTV/status/1758595027352138059

But Labour...

As I have been saying, lots of people don’t bother voting as stated in that link.
It was also noticeable that several of those interviewed said they didn’t vote conservative this time but they didn’t say they voted for Labour either.
The general public aren’t interested in politics.

With a lack of intetest I think you mean not much interest? Do you think they are more easily manipulated by the likes  of ads on buses saying millions saved daily from Brexit, or the Sun GE day front page, or other inane fake propaganda?

[River Don]

Corruption, contracts for cronys', PPE scandals & lying to the country - the reasons lifelong Tory voters in Wellingborough didn't vote for them on Thursday & won't vote for them ever again.

At least some Tories are decent people who wont be hoodwinked - unlike some posters here.

https://twitter.com/BylineTV/status/1758595027352138059

But Labour...

As I have been saying, lots of people don’t bother voting as stated in that link.
It was also noticeable that several of those interviewed said they didn’t vote conservative this time but they didn’t say they voted for Labour either.
The general public aren’t interested in politics.

It's a bit of a jump to suggest the general public aren't interested in politics because disatisfied tory voters in a constituency didn't switch to Labour.

These are broadly tory constituencies. These people basically believe in tory values, it's very hard for them to make the jump to an alternative point of view.

No, I think what we are seeing is fed up tory voters, who for whatever reasons don't believe this Conservative government is doing as well as it should be. They become disillusioned and just don't vote. They don't want to vote for Labour. They actually want a better Conservative party, to see that change, they need this tory party out of power.

[wilts rover]

Corruption, contracts for cronys', PPE scandals & lying to the country - the reasons lifelong Tory voters in Wellingborough didn't vote for them on Thursday & won't vote for them ever again.

At least some Tories are decent people who wont be hoodwinked - unlike some posters here.

https://twitter.com/BylineTV/status/1758595027352138059

But Labour...

As I have been saying, lots of people don’t bother voting as stated in that link.
It was also noticeable that several of those interviewed said they didn’t vote conservative this time but they didn’t say they voted for Labour either.
The general public aren’t interested in politics.

Don't know how you work that out from that video? Those people are clearly VERY interested in politics.

Nor do I remember you saying that in 2019. The Tories didn't win in 2019 because people switched (their vote stayed roughly the same), they won because Labour voters stayed at home (down 2.5 million).

What you can deduce from those two by-elections, as per most of the others Sunak has lost, is that the Labour vote is holding up steady everywhere, if not increasing slightly, and that of the Tories has crashed. That doesn't mean people are switching, it means natural Tory voters wont be voting for them.

Which is what all the polls show:

[Bentley Bullet]

The Labour vote is only "holding up steady" against a very unpopular government when it should be obliterating it by inheriting all its deserters...........

..... Was it not for The Labour Party being a bag of shite itself.

[drfchound]

Corruption, contracts for cronys', PPE scandals & lying to the country - the reasons lifelong Tory voters in Wellingborough didn't vote for them on Thursday & won't vote for them ever again.

At least some Tories are decent people who wont be hoodwinked - unlike some posters here.

https://twitter.com/BylineTV/status/1758595027352138059

But Labour...

As I have been saying, lots of people don’t bother voting as stated in that link.
It was also noticeable that several of those interviewed said they didn’t vote conservative this time but they didn’t say they voted for Labour either.
The general public aren’t interested in politics.

Don't know how you work that out from that video? Those people are clearly VERY interested in politics.

Nor do I remember you saying that in 2019. The Tories didn't win in 2019 because people switched (their vote stayed roughly the same), they won because Labour voters stayed at home (down 2.5 million).

What you can deduce from those two by-elections, as per most of the others Sunak has lost, is that the Labour vote is holding up steady everywhere, if not increasing slightly, and that of the Tories has crashed. That doesn't mean people are switching, it means natural Tory voters wont be voting for them.

Which is what all the polls show:

Wilts, you need to check what I did actually say in 2019.

[drfchound]

Corruption, contracts for cronys', PPE scandals & lying to the country - the reasons lifelong Tory voters in Wellingborough didn't vote for them on Thursday & won't vote for them ever again.

At least some Tories are decent people who wont be hoodwinked - unlike some posters here.

https://twitter.com/BylineTV/status/1758595027352138059

But Labour...

As I have been saying, lots of people don’t bother voting as stated in that link.
It was also noticeable that several of those interviewed said they didn’t vote conservative this time but they didn’t say they voted for Labour either.
The general public aren’t interested in politics.

With a lack of intetest I think you mean not much interest? Do you think they are more easily manipulated by the likes  of ads on buses saying millions saved daily from Brexit, or the Sun GE day front page, or other inane fake propaganda?

Not much interest is lack of interest.
I didn’t say no interest did I?
And yes, the average person is more influenced by the tv news and online gossip rags.