Reform win 5th seat

[normal rules]

After a recount. Beating labour by just 98 votes. South Basildon and east Thurrock.
The conservative mp there went from over 65% of the vote previously to now just 25%.

[TonySoprano]

5 seats is a proper success for a party in its infancy.

The story of the election.

[drfchound]

After a recount. Beating labour by just 98 votes. South Basildon and east Thurrock.
The conservative mp there went from over 65% of the vote previously to now just 25%.

What was the turn out there please.

[Bristol Red Rover]

After a recount. Beating labour by just 98 votes. South Basildon and east Thurrock.
The conservative mp there went from over 65% of the vote previously to now just 25%.

What was the turn out there please.

39,549    54.7%

[Padge_DRFC]

5 seats is a proper success for a party in its infancy.

The story of the election.

15% of the vote too.

[normal rules]

I wonder how many seats the tories would have won had reform stepped aside (again).

[ncRover]

I wonder how many seats the tories would have won had reform stepped aside (again).

This poll done shows that 36% of Reform voters would have voted Conservative otherwise. So the Tories still wouldn’t have been anywhere near a majority.

https://x.com/luketryl/status/1809270711619395945?s=46

[River Don]

I wonder how many seats the tories would have won had reform stepped aside (again).

Obviously quite a few more given Reform have finished second in a lot.

Quite a few beaten Tories don't seem to think moving right and aligning with Reform would be enough to win power back though.

As the Labour party has shown again today. Power is won from the centre.

[BillyStubbsTears]

I wonder how many seats the tories would have won had reform stepped aside (again).

This poll done shows that 36% of Reform voters would have voted Conservative otherwise. So the Tories still wouldn’t have been anywhere near a majority.

https://x.com/luketryl/status/1809270711619395945?s=46

I'm bemused at the workings of a mind that puts an X at the side of RefUK, but would have supported the Greens if RefUK wasn't available.

[ncRover]

I wonder how many seats the tories would have won had reform stepped aside (again).

This poll done shows that 36% of Reform voters would have voted Conservative otherwise. So the Tories still wouldn’t have been anywhere near a majority.

https://x.com/luketryl/status/1809270711619395945?s=46

I'm bemused at the workings of a mind that puts an X at the side of RefUK, but would have supported the Greens if RefUK wasn't available.

Probably the mind of a clueless teenager

[big fat yorkshire pudding]

I wonder how many seats the tories would have won had reform stepped aside (again).

This poll done shows that 36% of Reform voters would have voted Conservative otherwise. So the Tories still wouldn’t have been anywhere near a majority.

https://x.com/luketryl/status/1809270711619395945?s=46

I'm bemused at the workings of a mind that puts an X at the side of RefUK, but would have supported the Greens if RefUK wasn't available.

Perhaps they have split personalities? One day open borders the next, snipers on the white cliffs?

[Cramby10]

I wonder how many seats the tories would have won had reform stepped aside (again).

Obviously quite a few more given Reform have finished second in a lot.

Quite a few beaten Tories don't seem to think moving right and aligning with Reform would be enough to win power back though.

As the Labour party has shown again today. Power is won from the centre.

power is won by the departing government being absolutely f**king sh**e. No more no less. For such a sad sad reason it’s always just a straight choice between red or blue. Not mine by the way.  No one can tell me Labour are some revolutionary party that’s going to unite the country. Hate watching the gushing and back slapping on the box. Fact is, they’re seen as the least worst at this current time. I wouldn’t be surprised by the next election yet another huge swing in the another direction. The population are brow beaten. Demonstrated by the lowest turn out since 1885.
We could even by then go in the same direction
 as France by the next election as I expect Millionaire Knight of the realm Starmer to rub a good number of folk up the wrong way. Very untrustworthy.
In my opinion the system is broken and no one in politics is worth the time of day.
I’m sure when they first set out they all had good intentions but they’ve all their price when big business starts pulling their strings.
I know it’s a very cynical view that I have but with age and experience, and being a miserable bugger!!!, it’s an unavoidable conclusion that I’ve come to.

[normal rules]

I wonder how many seats the tories would have won had reform stepped aside (again).

Obviously quite a few more given Reform have finished second in a lot.

Quite a few beaten Tories don't seem to think moving right and aligning with Reform would be enough to win power back though.

As the Labour party has shown again today. Power is won from the centre.

power is won by the departing government being absolutely f**king sh**e. No more no less. For such a sad sad reason it’s always just a straight choice between red or blue. Not mine by the way.  No one can tell me Labour are some revolutionary party that’s going to unite the country. Hate watching the gushing and back slapping on the box. Fact is, they’re seen as the least worst at this current time. I wouldn’t be surprised by the next election yet another huge swing in the another direction. The population are brow beaten. Demonstrated by the lowest turn out since 1885.
We could even by then go in the same direction
 as France by the next election as I expect Millionaire Knight of the realm Starmer to rub a good number of folk up the wrong way. Very untrustworthy.
In my opinion the system is broken and no one in politics is worth the time of day.
I’m sure when they first set out they all had good intentions but they’ve all their price when big business starts pulling their strings.
I know it’s a very cynical view that I have but with age and experience, and being a miserable bugger!!!, it’s an unavoidable conclusion that I’ve come to.

Reeves is already rolling out the excuse there is little money. That’s despite the tories having an alleged costed manifesto.

[SydneyRover]

I wonder how many seats the tories would have won had reform stepped aside (again).

Obviously quite a few more given Reform have finished second in a lot.

Quite a few beaten Tories don't seem to think moving right and aligning with Reform would be enough to win power back though.

As the Labour party has shown again today. Power is won from the centre.

power is won by the departing government being absolutely f**king sh**e. No more no less. For such a sad sad reason it’s always just a straight choice between red or blue. Not mine by the way.  No one can tell me Labour are some revolutionary party that’s going to unite the country. Hate watching the gushing and back slapping on the box. Fact is, they’re seen as the least worst at this current time. I wouldn’t be surprised by the next election yet another huge swing in the another direction. The population are brow beaten. Demonstrated by the lowest turn out since 1885.
We could even by then go in the same direction
 as France by the next election as I expect Millionaire Knight of the realm Starmer to rub a good number of folk up the wrong way. Very untrustworthy.
In my opinion the system is broken and no one in politics is worth the time of day.
I’m sure when they first set out they all had good intentions but they’ve all their price when big business starts pulling their strings.
I know it’s a very cynical view that I have but with age and experience, and being a miserable bugger!!!, it’s an unavoidable conclusion that I’ve come to.

Gee we are pissed off aren't we, trying to deny an extraordinary win that only comes around once in a generation. Yes it's only either red or blue, did you actually want more blue?

''I expect Millionaire Knight of the realm Starmer to rub a good number of folk up the wrong way. Very untrustworthy''

There are a number of others around the place that are unhappy too maybe form a new party that will be absolutely perfect.

[SydneyRover]

I wonder how many seats the tories would have won had reform stepped aside (again).

Obviously quite a few more given Reform have finished second in a lot.

Quite a few beaten Tories don't seem to think moving right and aligning with Reform would be enough to win power back though.

As the Labour party has shown again today. Power is won from the centre.

power is won by the departing government being absolutely f**king sh**e. No more no less. For such a sad sad reason it’s always just a straight choice between red or blue. Not mine by the way.  No one can tell me Labour are some revolutionary party that’s going to unite the country. Hate watching the gushing and back slapping on the box. Fact is, they’re seen as the least worst at this current time. I wouldn’t be surprised by the next election yet another huge swing in the another direction. The population are brow beaten. Demonstrated by the lowest turn out since 1885.
We could even by then go in the same direction
 as France by the next election as I expect Millionaire Knight of the realm Starmer to rub a good number of folk up the wrong way. Very untrustworthy.
In my opinion the system is broken and no one in politics is worth the time of day.
I’m sure when they first set out they all had good intentions but they’ve all their price when big business starts pulling their strings.
I know it’s a very cynical view that I have but with age and experience, and being a miserable bugger!!!, it’s an unavoidable conclusion that I’ve come to.

Reeves is already rolling out the excuse there is little money. That’s despite the tories having an alleged costed manifesto.

Have you been asleep, labour have been saying this throughout the election. The re-write has already begun.

[River Don]

I wonder how many seats the tories would have won had reform stepped aside (again).

Obviously quite a few more given Reform have finished second in a lot.

Quite a few beaten Tories don't seem to think moving right and aligning with Reform would be enough to win power back though.

As the Labour party has shown again today. Power is won from the centre.

power is won by the departing government being absolutely f**king sh**e. No more no less. For such a sad sad reason it’s always just a straight choice between red or blue. Not mine by the way.  No one can tell me Labour are some revolutionary party that’s going to unite the country. Hate watching the gushing and back slapping on the box. Fact is, they’re seen as the least worst at this current time. I wouldn’t be surprised by the next election yet another huge swing in the another direction. The population are brow beaten. Demonstrated by the lowest turn out since 1885.
We could even by then go in the same direction
 as France by the next election as I expect Millionaire Knight of the realm Starmer to rub a good number of folk up the wrong way. Very untrustworthy.
In my opinion the system is broken and no one in politics is worth the time of day.
I’m sure when they first set out they all had good intentions but they’ve all their price when big business starts pulling their strings.
I know it’s a very cynical view that I have but with age and experience, and being a miserable bugger!!!, it’s an unavoidable conclusion that I’ve come to.

Do you think the Tory opposition would have been so divided, if Jeremy Corbyn was Labour leader today?

I think not. That would have changed matters considerably

[Cramby10]

I wonder how many seats the tories would have won had reform stepped aside (again).

Obviously quite a few more given Reform have finished second in a lot.

Quite a few beaten Tories don't seem to think moving right and aligning with Reform would be enough to win power back though.

As the Labour party has shown again today. Power is won from the centre.

power is won by the departing government being absolutely f**king sh**e. No more no less. For such a sad sad reason it’s always just a straight choice between red or blue. Not mine by the way.  No one can tell me Labour are some revolutionary party that’s going to unite the country. Hate watching the gushing and back slapping on the box. Fact is, they’re seen as the least worst at this current time. I wouldn’t be surprised by the next election yet another huge swing in the another direction. The population are brow beaten. Demonstrated by the lowest turn out since 1885.
We could even by then go in the same direction
 as France by the next election as I expect Millionaire Knight of the realm Starmer to rub a good number of folk up the wrong way. Very untrustworthy.
In my opinion the system is broken and no one in politics is worth the time of day.
I’m sure when they first set out they all had good intentions but they’ve all their price when big business starts pulling their strings.
I know it’s a very cynical view that I have but with age and experience, and being a miserable bugger!!!, it’s an unavoidable conclusion that I’ve come to.

Gee we are pissed off aren't we, trying to deny an extraordinary win that only comes around once in a generation. Yes it's only either red or blue, did you actually want more blue?

''I expect Millionaire Knight of the realm Starmer to rub a good number of folk up the wrong way. Very untrustworthy''

There are a number of others around the place that are unhappy too maybe form a new party that will be absolutely perfect.

what the f**k are you talking about? You’re a loon mate. No one is denying anything.
It’s no more astonishing than the last election where the Tory’s broke down the “red wall” with a landslide and the death knell was predicted for labour. In much the same way as it’s now predicted for the Tory’s. That was only 5 years ago. Not a generation!! Fact is, these swings will become common place because there’s no one to vote for.

[Cramby10]

I wonder how many seats the tories would have won had reform stepped aside (again).

Obviously quite a few more given Reform have finished second in a lot.

Quite a few beaten Tories don't seem to think moving right and aligning with Reform would be enough to win power back though.

As the Labour party has shown again today. Power is won from the centre.

power is won by the departing government being absolutely f**king sh**e. No more no less. For such a sad sad reason it’s always just a straight choice between red or blue. Not mine by the way.  No one can tell me Labour are some revolutionary party that’s going to unite the country. Hate watching the gushing and back slapping on the box. Fact is, they’re seen as the least worst at this current time. I wouldn’t be surprised by the next election yet another huge swing in the another direction. The population are brow beaten. Demonstrated by the lowest turn out since 1885.
We could even by then go in the same direction
 as France by the next election as I expect Millionaire Knight of the realm Starmer to rub a good number of folk up the wrong way. Very untrustworthy.
In my opinion the system is broken and no one in politics is worth the time of day.
I’m sure when they first set out they all had good intentions but they’ve all their price when big business starts pulling their strings.
I know it’s a very cynical view that I have but with age and experience, and being a miserable bugger!!!, it’s an unavoidable conclusion that I’ve come to.

Do you think the Tory opposition would have been so divided, if Jeremy Corbyn was Labour leader today?

I think not. That would have changed matters considerably

yes. The departing Tory government has been the worst in my living memory.

[BillyStubbsTears]

I wonder how many seats the tories would have won had reform stepped aside (again).

This poll done shows that 36% of Reform voters would have voted Conservative otherwise. So the Tories still wouldn’t have been anywhere near a majority.

https://x.com/luketryl/status/1809270711619395945?s=46

I'm bemused at the workings of a mind that puts an X at the side of RefUK, but would have supported the Greens if RefUK wasn't available.

Probably the mind of a clueless teenager

Interestingly, there was strong polling evidence 10 years back that many of those who voted LD in 2010 switched to UKIP after the LDs propped up Cameron's government. Which is nearly as big a move on political principle as going from RefUK to Green.

Makes you wonder if there's not a chunk of the population who just want to rebel, regardless.

[River Don]

I honestly think the reason the Tories broke down the red wall was because Boris Johnson made promises he could not keep and did not keep.

Sunak was never comfortable with courting the red wall and always pivoted back south.

[SydneyRover]

I wonder how many seats the tories would have won had reform stepped aside (again).

Obviously quite a few more given Reform have finished second in a lot.

Quite a few beaten Tories don't seem to think moving right and aligning with Reform would be enough to win power back though.

As the Labour party has shown again today. Power is won from the centre.

power is won by the departing government being absolutely f**king sh**e. No more no less. For such a sad sad reason it’s always just a straight choice between red or blue. Not mine by the way.  No one can tell me Labour are some revolutionary party that’s going to unite the country. Hate watching the gushing and back slapping on the box. Fact is, they’re seen as the least worst at this current time. I wouldn’t be surprised by the next election yet another huge swing in the another direction. The population are brow beaten. Demonstrated by the lowest turn out since 1885.
We could even by then go in the same direction
 as France by the next election as I expect Millionaire Knight of the realm Starmer to rub a good number of folk up the wrong way. Very untrustworthy.
In my opinion the system is broken and no one in politics is worth the time of day.
I’m sure when they first set out they all had good intentions but they’ve all their price when big business starts pulling their strings.
I know it’s a very cynical view that I have but with age and experience, and being a miserable bugger!!!, it’s an unavoidable conclusion that I’ve come to.

Gee we are pissed off aren't we, trying to deny an extraordinary win that only comes around once in a generation. Yes it's only either red or blue, did you actually want more blue?

''I expect Millionaire Knight of the realm Starmer to rub a good number of folk up the wrong way. Very untrustworthy''

There are a number of others around the place that are unhappy too maybe form a new party that will be absolutely perfect.

what the f**k are you talking about? You’re a loon mate. No one is denying anything.
It’s no more astonishing than the last election where the Tory’s broke down the “red wall” with a landslide and the death knell was predicted for labour. In much the same way as it’s now predicted for the Tory’s. That was only 5 years ago. Not a generation!! Fact is, these swings will become common place because there’s no one to vote for.

Is this the same person only yesterday complaining about throwing insults if you don't agree with someone's politics?

[Cramby10]

I honestly think the reason the Tories broke down the red wall was because Boris Johnson made promises he could not keep and did not keep.

Sunak was never comfortable with courting the red wall and always pivoted back south.

politician making promises he couldn’t keep shocker!! What’s new?
People are desperate, so are vulnerable and easily persuaded. Just how governments like it.

[River Don]

I wonder how many seats the tories would have won had reform stepped aside (again).

The truth is there is not much money, the country is up against it, unless you believe in the magic money tree, which means you believe in infinite resources, which is difficult to believe in a finite world.

Obviously quite a few more given Reform have finished second in a lot.

Quite a few beaten Tories don't seem to think moving right and aligning with Reform would be enough to win power back though.

As the Labour party has shown again today. Power is won from the centre.

power is won by the departing government being absolutely f**king sh**e. No more no less. For such a sad sad reason it’s always just a straight choice between red or blue. Not mine by the way.  No one can tell me Labour are some revolutionary party that’s going to unite the country. Hate watching the gushing and back slapping on the box. Fact is, they’re seen as the least worst at this current time. I wouldn’t be surprised by the next election yet another huge swing in the another direction. The population are brow beaten. Demonstrated by the lowest turn out since 1885.
We could even by then go in the same direction
 as France by the next election as I expect Millionaire Knight of the realm Starmer to rub a good number of folk up the wrong way. Very untrustworthy.
In my opinion the system is broken and no one in politics is worth the time of day.
I’m sure when they first set out they all had good intentions but they’ve all their price when big business starts pulling their strings.
I know it’s a very cynical view that I have but with age and experience, and being a miserable bugger!!!, it’s an unavoidable conclusion that I’ve come to.

Reeves is already rolling out the excuse there is little money. That’s despite the tories having an alleged costed manifesto.

[River Don]

I honestly think the reason the Tories broke down the red wall was because Boris Johnson made promises he could not keep and did not keep.

Sunak was never comfortable with courting the red wall and always pivoted back south.

politician making promises he couldn’t keep shocker!! What’s new?
People are desperate, so are vulnerable and easily persuaded. Just how governments like it.

It was a shocker because Johnson has been a uniquely dishonest person in public life. It should not taint the entire political class.

[drfchound]

I wonder how many seats the tories would have won had reform stepped aside (again).

Obviously quite a few more given Reform have finished second in a lot.

Quite a few beaten Tories don't seem to think moving right and aligning with Reform would be enough to win power back though.

As the Labour party has shown again today. Power is won from the centre.

power is won by the departing government being absolutely f**king sh**e. No more no less. For such a sad sad reason it’s always just a straight choice between red or blue. Not mine by the way.  No one can tell me Labour are some revolutionary party that’s going to unite the country. Hate watching the gushing and back slapping on the box. Fact is, they’re seen as the least worst at this current time. I wouldn’t be surprised by the next election yet another huge swing in the another direction. The population are brow beaten. Demonstrated by the lowest turn out since 1885.
We could even by then go in the same direction
 as France by the next election as I expect Millionaire Knight of the realm Starmer to rub a good number of folk up the wrong way. Very untrustworthy.
In my opinion the system is broken and no one in politics is worth the time of day.
I’m sure when they first set out they all had good intentions but they’ve all their price when big business starts pulling their strings.
I know it’s a very cynical view that I have but with age and experience, and being a miserable bugger!!!, it’s an unavoidable conclusion that I’ve come to.

Gee we are pissed off aren't we, trying to deny an extraordinary win that only comes around once in a generation. Yes it's only either red or blue, did you actually want more blue?

''I expect Millionaire Knight of the realm Starmer to rub a good number of folk up the wrong way. Very untrustworthy''

There are a number of others around the place that are unhappy too maybe form a new party that will be absolutely perfect.

what the f**k are you talking about? You’re a loon mate. No one is denying anything.
It’s no more astonishing than the last election where the Tory’s broke down the “red wall” with a landslide and the death knell was predicted for labour. In much the same way as it’s now predicted for the Tory’s. That was only 5 years ago. Not a generation!! Fact is, these swings will become common place because there’s no one to vote for.

Is this the same person only yesterday complaining about throwing insults if you don't agree with someone's politics?

I don’t think his comment was anything to do with yours or his political views Syd.
More that he thinks your response was idiotic.

[rtid88]

I wonder how many seats the tories would have won had reform stepped aside (again).

Obviously quite a few more given Reform have finished second in a lot.

Quite a few beaten Tories don't seem to think moving right and aligning with Reform would be enough to win power back though.

As the Labour party has shown again today. Power is won from the centre.

power is won by the departing government being absolutely f**king sh**e. No more no less. For such a sad sad reason it’s always just a straight choice between red or blue. Not mine by the way.  No one can tell me Labour are some revolutionary party that’s going to unite the country. Hate watching the gushing and back slapping on the box. Fact is, they’re seen as the least worst at this current time. I wouldn’t be surprised by the next election yet another huge swing in the another direction. The population are brow beaten. Demonstrated by the lowest turn out since 1885.
We could even by then go in the same direction
 as France by the next election as I expect Millionaire Knight of the realm Starmer to rub a good number of folk up the wrong way. Very untrustworthy.
In my opinion the system is broken and no one in politics is worth the time of day.
I’m sure when they first set out they all had good intentions but they’ve all their price when big business starts pulling their strings.
I know it’s a very cynical view that I have but with age and experience, and being a miserable bugger!!!, it’s an unavoidable conclusion that I’ve come to.

Reeves is already rolling out the excuse there is little money. That’s despite the tories having an alleged costed manifesto.

I think what she says is actually true, as is what Wes Streeting says about the NHS being broken. Strange to hear politicians speaking the truth after 14 years of constant lies.
However, if Reeves can manage to claw any of the billions wasted by the previous government, get their Non Dom tax policy in place then there will be money to spend which was what they clearly stated in their manifesto.

[DRFC_AjA]

14% of the votes = 1% of seats. Smash the system.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c886pl6ldy9o

[normal rules]

14% of the votes = 1% of seats. Smash the system.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c886pl6ldy9o

The electoral commission have confirmed it’s the largest disparity ever.
And it’s just 0.7% of seats