Amy Winehouse Dead

[Pintolager]

So they say Amy Winehouse died because of a crack problem. Maybe if she'd washed it more often she would have lived longer!

SKY NEWS: Amy Winehouse found dead in her flat.

in other news:::
North London drug dealers file for bankruptcy!!!

[donnyjay]

Did i say it was?
I'd question the need for a five year to know about the pitfalls of drug addiction though.
I have seen people come back from the brink of various addictions, putting it behind them and getting on with their lives. Nothing is impossible. Winehouse had her chance.

His mother has been an addict all his life, It's why she isn't allowed to have him with her, not that she has anywhere to live at the moment, she is happily shacked up in a snow covered world of kettamine dust with her best friend. Pity more her son, not even five with all the skills needed to cut k for her and roll her joints, something thank god Ty has been spared from.

He knows that she loves him (a point that is very debateable but one that he doesn't need to face yet) and that he can't have sleepovers with mummy because she lives with naughty people who do bad thing and take drugs. I doubt for one moment he can name those drugs mind you but he has had years of seeing her erratic behaviour and the last time she actually had him for the day, when he was three she was raided by the drug squad. so yes, he knows things that a five year old shouldn't,  but he is safe and loved that is the most important thing.

Sometimes the addiction is far stonger than even the basic urge for survival.

That seems very sensible to me JB. Kids are never too young to learn anything, it's just how you put it.

I think MrFrost was under the impression you'd sat him down and made him watch Trainspotting.

[jucyberry]

Even I have never seen that one, the nearest I get to trainspotting is waiting for my train oooop North..lol

[GM-MarkB]

Slightly off at a tangent, the Missus said someone on Facebook had posted that David Guetta had died yesterday...and his Wiki page says the same thing. Nothing in the news though...

[Sandy Lane]

Such a sad loss.  I too believe that some addictions can be more powerful than the will to survive.  I know that some drugs like crack are nearly impossible to break free from.  There is such a thing as an addictive personality and those people can be addicted to multiple things simultaneously.  Amy was one of the unlucky ones I think in that regard, and in addition acted out publicly many times which although might alert others to her problems and a need for help, also served to cause public disdain.  I don't totally absolve her from responsibility though, but believe she had fewer coping mechanisms and more 'issues' than we may ever know.  I also wonder if these people ever do rest in peace...  

But as a signer, she was awesome and she gave the world music many of us will never forget.

[Glyn_Wigley]

Slightly off at a tangent, the Missus said someone on Facebook had posted that David Guetta had died yesterday...and his Wiki page says the same thing. Nothing in the news though...

Never heard of him.

Mind you, when any of my favourite band kicks the bucket I don't expect it to make the headlines either.

[RedJ]

Slightly off at a tangent, the Missus said someone on Facebook had posted that David Guetta had died yesterday...and his Wiki page says the same thing. Nothing in the news though...

Been changed back mate. I tend not to trust Wikipedia, with it being so easy to edit.

[Nudga]

Such a sad loss.  I too believe that some addictions can be more powerful than the will to survive.  I know that some drugs like crack are nearly impossible to break free from.  There is such a thing as an addictive personality and those people can be addicted to multiple things simultaneously.  Amy was one of the unlucky ones I think in that regard, and in addition acted out publicly many times which although might alert others to her problems and a need for help, also served to cause public disdain.  I don't totally absolve her from responsibility though, but believe she had fewer coping mechanisms and more 'issues' than we may ever know.  I also wonder if these people ever do rest in peace...  

But as a signer, she was awesome and she gave the world music many of us will never forget.

Get real, i've seen better toss pots singing in The White Swan in Balby on a friday neet. Mark Ronson made her music sound ok.


Also, I felt sorry for her make up artist because as the saying goes \"you can't polish a turd\".

[Jonathan]

Sad story, but she'd been on self destruct for a long time and her demise was largely self inflicted (not helped by keeping the company of idiots).

No outpouring of grief here, but I'm sad and disappointed because I honestly think she was by far the best female vocalist of my generation. Unique voice, and Back to Black is one of the finest albums I own, even though in genre it's unlike most of my collection. I'd looked forward to further albums so from a personal perspective, I guess that's why her death is disappointing to me. I didn't know her so I can't join in with the 'heartbroken' element.

Wake up Alone was probably her finest hour, in my opinion.

[Sandy Lane]

Such a sad loss.  I too believe that some addictions can be more powerful than the will to survive.  I know that some drugs like crack are nearly impossible to break free from.  There is such a thing as an addictive personality and those people can be addicted to multiple things simultaneously.  Amy was one of the unlucky ones I think in that regard, and in addition acted out publicly many times which although might alert others to her problems and a need for help, also served to cause public disdain.  I don't totally absolve her from responsibility though, but believe she had fewer coping mechanisms and more 'issues' than we may ever know.  I also wonder if these people ever do rest in peace...  

But as a signer, she was awesome and she gave the world music many of us will never forget.

Get real, i've seen better toss pots singing in The White Swan in Balby on a friday neet. Mark Ronson made her music sound ok.


Also, I felt sorry for her make up artist because as the saying goes \"you can't polish a turd\".

Nudga, I think she had a phenomenal voice and also was a great song writer.  And I have to wonder if she helped Mark Ronson's career rather than the other way around, though no doubt he has influenced some of the arrangements. ( Also, I know I should back up all this with research, but at the moment I can't be arsed.)

Must be some great singers at The White Swan though.  

[jucyberry]

Looking at the tibutes left near her home, fans have left flowers, letters and paintings, but most wierdly of al bottles of booze....It truly is a strange old world we live in.

[Jonathan]

I think she had a phenomenal voice and also was a great song writer.  And I have to wonder if she helped Mark Ronson's career rather than the other way around, though no doubt he has influenced some of the arrangements.

I think they made a good partnership. Some brilliant production and arrangements by Ronson on Back to Black, but can't get away from the quality of the writing and the vocal from Winehouse. It's a shame there won't be more from her. Definitely a wasted talent.

[Pintolager]

Looking at the tibutes left near her home, fans have left flowers, letters and paintings, but most wierdly of al bottles of booze....It truly is a strange old world we live in.

I can see where you are coming from Deb, but is it necessarily strange? Whatever people's lifestyles, some folk would ask to be buried/left with bottles of booze/fags or whatever as it was their way. We don't know who it was who left the bottles, but I am trying to think of how Amy might have wanted things, whether I agree with how she lived or not

[Viking Don]

Well whoever left 'em wasn't an alcoholic, and if they were they'll be pissed off now.

Sorry, I don't mean to be disrespectful, but it's just one life and folk go way ott when they've heard the name, like they knew 'em or summat. There but for the grace of God and all that, but FFS, Amy is probably pissing herself at all the outpourings, I know I would be.

[DRFC-PERKINS]

The big three - Crack/Heroin/Crystal Meth. These three are the ones to stay away from, simply as that, the rest you can take with out any complications as long as you know what your doing. The streets are filled with 'drugies' there everywhere you can't escape from that fact. The goverment is the only people to be blamed, simply if they wanted rid of the drug trade they would of, just like they get rid of anything they don't like. Its fine though because were well looked after are we not? The goverment don't let companyies sell harmful products do they.

[Glyn_Wigley]

The goverment is the only people to be blamed, simply if they wanted rid of the drug trade they would of, just like they get rid of anything they don't like.

I'd love to hear you tell us how.

I mean, they've done so well with getting rid of murder, robbery, GBH and arson that geting rid of the drug trade will be a piece of piss for them.

[RobTheRover]

Legalise it?

Thats a whole different debate......

[DRFC-PERKINS]

The goverment is the only people to be blamed, simply if they wanted rid of the drug trade they would of, just like they get rid of anything they don't like.

I'd love to hear you tell us how.

I mean, they've done so well with getting rid of murder, robbery, GBH and arson that geting rid of the drug trade will be a piece of piss for them.

When did I ever say the goverment have tried getting rid of any of those things? If we have fear of these crimes, we are in more need of a goverment.

Have you ever been through an airport? In the 20+ times i've been on planes, i've never seen a police dog, have you? There's a start.
How many police dogs are there at ports/harbours up and down the country? I could write a list aslong as my arm, like i said if they wanted rid, they'd of got rid.

[Chris]

When did I ever say the goverment have tried getting rid of any of those things? If we have fear of these crimes, we are in more need of a goverment.

[Glyn_Wigley]

The goverment is the only people to be blamed, simply if they wanted rid of the drug trade they would of, just like they get rid of anything they don't like.

I'd love to hear you tell us how.

I mean, they've done so well with getting rid of murder, robbery, GBH and arson that geting rid of the drug trade will be a piece of piss for them.

When did I ever say the goverment have tried getting rid of any of those things? If we have fear of these crimes, we are in more need of a goverment.

Have you ever been through an airport? In the 20+ times i've been on planes, i've never seen a police dog, have you? There's a start.
How many police dogs are there at ports/harbours up and down the country? I could write a list aslong as my arm, like i said if they wanted rid, they'd of got rid.

OK then...how?

[jucyberry]

Even if drugs were legalised kids would find new and to them exotic ways to get high. Glue, solvents, plant food, horse pills, the list goes on and on before you even reel off the so called hard drugs.

With legal suppliers all you would really garuantee (sp) is that the supply is clean and uncut. An unscrupilous supplier can feed his plants with water laced with heroin making it just as dangerous as a resin  with stronger drugs cut into it to catch the unwary pothead.

One of the saddest things for me is that many relapsed addicts who die do so because they think they can consume the same ammount after a break as they did at the height of their consumption and their bodies just cannot take it. just one more hit is usually the last. the shock to their bodies is just too much.

So much is quite rightly made of the evil of drugs, but we think nothing of the other , socially acceptable addiction...Booze... You would give a smackhead shooting up in the corner of the bar a wide berth, but how many think nothing of lining up the pints and chasers?

there is nothing glamerous about a drinker any more than there is a druggy.

[Nudga]

Anyway back on topic.

She was a scruffy, hairy, gap toothed smelly bas**rd that couldn't hold a note when \"singing\" live.

[MrFrost]

The big three - Crack/Heroin/Crystal Meth. These three are the ones to stay away from, simply as that, the rest you can take with out any complications as long as you know what your doing. The streets are filled with 'drugies' there everywhere you can't escape from that fact. The goverment is the only people to be blamed, simply if they wanted rid of the drug trade they would of, just like they get rid of anything they don't like. Its fine though because were well looked after are we not? The goverment don't let companyies sell harmful products do they.

So you can take coke, pills, ket, lsd, and god knows what else without complications?
I think I have heard it all now.
Even smoking weed has longer lasting effects which have been medically proven.

[Thinwhiteduke]

Did i say it was?
I'd question the need for a five year to know about the pitfalls of drug addiction though.
I have seen people come back from the brink of various addictions, putting it behind them and getting on with their lives. Nothing is impossible. Winehouse had her chance.

Nice person you are then.

My cousin died from drug abuse...despite 5 attempts at beating it. Some people are made of stronger stuff than others. Its quite disgusting that you label everyone as one and the same.

[Thinwhiteduke]

Nudga, I think she had a phenomenal voice and also was a great song writer.  And I have to wonder if she helped Mark Ronson's career rather than the other way around, though no doubt he has influenced some of the arrangements. ( Also, I know I should back up all this with research, but at the moment I can't be arsed.)

Its widely regarded whe had a fantastic voice, search out some of the Youtube stuff from 2001 / 2002 before she even had a record deal. She has been universally acclaimed for opening the door for the majority of solo female artists that followed her....because no one gave a shit about female artists unless they were performing bubblegum pop music up until she came on the scene.

People make the Ronson connection....however, Ronson will only work with people who he classes as highly talented...and, to be honest, her devut album 'Frank' is a better effort than the half Ronson produced 'Back to Black' (note the word half).

[DRFC-PERKINS]

The big three - Crack/Heroin/Crystal Meth. These three are the ones to stay away from, simply as that, the rest you can take with out any complications as long as you know what your doing. The streets are filled with 'drugies' there everywhere you can't escape from that fact. The goverment is the only people to be blamed, simply if they wanted rid of the drug trade they would of, just like they get rid of anything they don't like. Its fine though because were well looked after are we not? The goverment don't let companyies sell harmful products do they.

So you can take coke, pills, ket, lsd, and god knows what else without complications?
I think I have heard it all now.
Even smoking weed has longer lasting effects which have been medically proven.

I pointed the main 3 out as the most dangerous, the rest are dangerous if you mix it with pure shite ie rat poison, talc, paracetamol ect. If you know what your doing and take it in moderate amounts you will be fine, the long term effects are not good, but on a similar note either is drinking or smoking.

Now onto how you can fight drugs.
First of all, like you do in a few jobs already, random piss tests for everyone. People will be put off by the idea of doing becuase if they do they will loose there jobs, not everyone but numbers would drop.
Stricter laws against dealing and doing drugs, or better yet enforce the rules put in place.
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How many stories have you heard that drug dealers have been let off or given a warning. There is one in Doncaster who I know of and has done, busted for having over £400 in his car with him, he did not get the 5 years + fine or the 14 years + fine (he was supposed to get for supply).
He got a fine and a warning, he is still doing his business today.
Like i've already said, police + dogs at airports, harbours, ports ect, cos there isn't enough. People are getting them in somehow.
I don't blame the police they just get told what to do by the goverment.

[jucyberry]

In the States it is almost impossible to get a job without being tested, or is in Vegas where the daughter in laws lot are anyway. Her brother had to be tested for his job, and that's only in a dog grooming parlour... probably the reason why she came back, she knew she would never get work.. :angry:

[Glyn_Wigley]

With legal suppliers all you would really garuantee (sp) is that the supply is clean and uncut. An unscrupilous supplier can feed his plants with water laced with heroin making it just as dangerous as a resin  with stronger drugs cut into it to catch the unwary pothead.

The 'legalise drugs' argument is a complete red herring and put forward by people who don't understand economics.

Supposedly, it would bring down prices (until the government slapped excise duties on them and made them expensive again) and supposedly cut down on crimes that fund habits.

Now, if you're a heroin supplier in Pakistan or Afghanistan, or a Columbian cocaine baron - where are you going to want to sell your drugs...cheaply in the UK, or for ten times the profit (and even mote profitably when cut down with crap) in every other country on the planet..?

[Glyn_Wigley]

Now onto how you can fight drugs.
First of all, like you do in a few jobs already, random piss tests for everyone. People will be put off by the idea of doing becuase if they do they will loose there jobs, not everyone but numbers would drop.
Stricter laws against dealing and doing drugs, or better yet enforce the rules put in place.
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Yep, that'll really hurt all the junkies who thieve to fund their habit.

How many stories have you heard that drug dealers have been let off or given a warning. There is one in Doncaster who I know of and has done, busted for having over £400 in his car with him, he did not get the 5 years + fine or the 14 years + fine (he was supposed to get for supply).
He got a fine and a warning, he is still doing his business today.

So what? Lock one up and another one will spring up in his place, because there's money to be made. Achieves nothing in the long term.

Like i've already said, police + dogs at airports, harbours, ports ect, cos there isn't enough. People are getting them in somehow.
I don't blame the police they just get told what to do by the goverment.

Erm...the police don't do ports and airports. The Border Agency do. I bet you have no idea how many different entrances into the country there are - and that's just legitimate ways where stuff can come through on a person, in private vehicles, in commercial containers and consignments, or through the post. On top of that there's non-legitmate ways, usually motorboats and private aircraft. There is no way they can all be monitored in the depth you're suggesting 24/7. The cost would cripple the country.

Oh, and dogs aren't the solution either. They don't always detect, and they also make false detects. They can only pick one up at a time, which is not much good if there are multiple couriers in the same shipment. Take it from someone who worked for twenty years in Customs & Excise and has used dogs.

I see nothing there there that suggests anything that might 'stop drugs'. Scratch the surface, yes, but stop? Pffft.

[Glyn_Wigley]

I pointed the main 3 out as the most dangerous, the rest are dangerous if you mix it with pure shite ie rat poison, talc, paracetamol ect. If you know what your doing and take it in moderate amounts you will be fine, the long term effects are not good, but on a similar note either is drinking or smoking.

Hmmm...drinking and smoking don't give you psychosis like cocaine does, or flashbacks years after you've taken them like LSD does, or make you paranoid like cannabis does, or destroy your bladder like ketamine does....