Fascinating statistic about O'Driscoll's career

[Donnyjim]

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36% win rate at both clubs?

[ditch_drfc]

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Fascinating thread about O'Driscoll's career.. http://www.drfc-vsc.co.uk/index.php?option=com_kunena&func=view&catid=999999&id=202904&Itemid=108

[DRFC-PERKINS]

Grass!!  

[The Red Baron]

\"Lies, damned lies...\"

Do you know what Peter Doherty's winning percentage in League matches for Rovers was? It was 33.6%

If you're managing a team punching above their weight for most of your career then winning a third of your games is a pretty good effort IMO.

[glosterred]

What's Saunders win percentage then?

[wilts rover]

I started watching Rovers under Maurice Setters (just) then Stan Anderson. How does this 36% compare to all the other managers I have seen?

[PDX_Rover]

What amazes me is that he started his Rovers stint two days before he finished his Bournemouth tenure.  Must have used the DeLorean....

[madmick50]

What's Saunders win percentage then?

If you ignore his first 3 games because that was SOD's team and style of play then he has won one game in nine. So a win percentage of 11.11%. After tomorrow it will be down to 10.00%.

[PDX_Rover]

Jesus Christ Mick...  Can you be a little less mad?  Nothing against you, but it's getting tired now....  By your logic, maybe SO'D's first few games should be attributed to Dave Penney then?

[Glyn_Wigley]

What's Saunders win percentage then?

If you ignore his first 3 games because that was SOD's team and style of play then he has won one game in nine. So a win percentage of 11.11%. After tomorrow it will be down to 10.00%.

I'd far rather ignore yet another deliberately skewed 'statistic' pulled out of someone's backside. After all, if you ignore all the losses and defeats, he's got a 100% record!

[mushRTID]

Another SOD thread. Just what we all needed.

[VikingJames]

Wonder if he'll sue the OP?

[madmick50]

maybe SO'D's first few games should be attributed to Dave Penney then?

I'd agree.

[prince]

What's Saunders win percentage then?

If you ignore his first 3 games because that was SOD's team and style of play then he has won one game in nine. So a win percentage of 11.11%. After tomorrow it will be down to 10.00%.

The first game against Palace was the furthest thing from SOD's style of play possible. I had a sore neck at half time.

[VikingJames]

What's Saunders win percentage then?

If you ignore his first 3 games because that was SOD's team and style of play then he has won one game in nine. So a win percentage of 11.11%. After tomorrow it will be down to 10.00%.

I thought the first 3 games under DS were purely down to luck?

Does this mean SOD's five years here were entirely built on luck then?

[The Red Baron]

I started watching Rovers under Maurice Setters (just) then Stan Anderson. How does this 36% compare to all the other managers I have seen?

I can see I'll need to crunch some numbers this weekend, but I can tell you the following:

McMenemy- 33.9%
Setters- 30.1%
Anderson- 39.5%
Bremner- 36.0%
Cusack- 30.3%
Mackay- 24.6%
Kinnear- 9.1%
Beaglehole- 29.7%
Atkins- 33.3%
Chung- 37.5%
Dixon- 29.2%

[madmick50]

I thought the first 3 games under DS were purely down to luck?

 

I've never said that. Fact. If you don't want to give the credit to SOD then I would accept if you put it down to 'new manager syndrome'. So either way it is only fair to judge Saunders record so far on his last 9 games. No doubt his record will improve dramatically once he's got us into the play-offs later in the season.

[MrFrost]

What were the win percantages of the 97/98 managers?

[The Red Baron]

What were the win percantages of the 97/98 managers?

Since you ask:

Richardson: Played 10, Won 0, Drew 4, Lost 6, Winning percentage: 0.0%.
Cowling: Played 2, Won 0, Drew 0, Lost 2, Winning percentage: 0.0%.
Bergara: Played 6, Won 0, Drew 2, Lost 4, Winning percentage: 0.0%.
Weaver & Bergara: Played 26, Won 4, Drew 2, Lost 20, Winning percentage: 15.4%.


At times it was never quite clear who was in charge of the clattering train. Richardson made himself responsible for team selection (and sat on the bench at least once) until he got tired of the abuse(!) and handed over to Dave Cowling. Bergara moved into a coaching role when he too was upset by the fans' reactions and thereafter worked with Richardson's gopher. Ironically the first game after Bergara stepped down Rovers won their first game of the season (at home to Chester).

(Dixon was in charge for the first two league games of the season btw- both of them lost.)

[ditch_drfc]

What were the win percantages of the 97/98 managers?

Since you ask:

Richardson: Played 10, Won 0, Drew 4, Lost 6, Winning percentage: 0.0%.
Cowling: Played 2, Won 0, Drew 0, Lost 2, Winning percentage: 0.0%.
Bergara: Played 6, Won 0, Drew 2, Lost 4, Winning percentage: 0.0%.
Weaver & Bergara: Played 26, Won 4, Drew 2, Lost 20, Winning percentage: 15.4%.


At times it was never quite clear who was in charge of the clattering train. Richardson made himself responsible for team selection (and sat on the bench at least once) until he got tired of the abuse(!) and handed over to Dave Cowling. Bergara moved into a coaching role when he too was upset by the fans' reactions and thereafter worked with Richardson's gopher. Ironically the first game after Bergara stepped down Rovers won their first game of the season (at home to Chester).

(Dixon was in charge for the first two league games of the season btw- both of them lost.)

I think this serves as a stark reminder that whatever happens this season, this club has been through a lot worse. Win lose or draw, we'll live to see another day

[Standanista]

What were the win percantages of the 97/98 managers?

Since you ask:

Richardson: Played 10, Won 0, Drew 4, Lost 6, Winning percentage: 0.0%.
Cowling: Played 2, Won 0, Drew 0, Lost 2, Winning percentage: 0.0%.
Bergara: Played 6, Won 0, Drew 2, Lost 4, Winning percentage: 0.0%.
Weaver & Bergara: Played 26, Won 4, Drew 2, Lost 20, Winning percentage: 15.4%.


At times it was never quite clear who was in charge of the clattering train. Richardson made himself responsible for team selection (and sat on the bench at least once) until he got tired of the abuse(!) and handed over to Dave Cowling. Bergara moved into a coaching role when he too was upset by the fans' reactions and thereafter worked with Richardson's gopher. Ironically the first game after Bergara stepped down Rovers won their first game of the season (at home to Chester).

(Dixon was in charge for the first two league games of the season btw- both of them lost.)

I think this serves as a stark reminder that whatever happens this season, this club has been through a lot worse. Win lose or draw, we'll live to see another day

Yep

[BillyStubbsTears]

Just for the record:

Penney 47.8%

[Wokingviking]

Just for the record:

Penney 47.8%

Quite something BST. Do you have Shanks's/Revie's/Fergie's stats to compare?

[The Red Baron]

I expected Penney to be in the 40s (I hadn't calculated his yet, so thanks BST). In many ways I think most of them are meaningless unless looked at in context of which division we were in. For example, Stan Anderson has a higher percentage than Billy Bremner. Much as I enjoyed the football we played under Anderson, I'd struggle to nominate him as a better manager than Bremner, who won two promotions and did wonders for the youth set-up.

That's why my comparison for O'Driscoll was with Doherty, who managed Rovers in the second level for most of his career.

Penney's stats are very respectable indeed and he deserves to be remembered as one of our finest managers.

[BillyStubbsTears]

Just for the record:

Penney 47.8%

Quite something BST. Do you have Shanks's/Revie's/Fergie's stats to compare?

Ferguson

East Stirlingshire: 52.9%
St Mirren: 43.8%
Aberdeen: 59.3%
Man Utd:  61.4%

Shankly: Haven't got the data

Revie:
Leeds: 50.8%

Clough:
Hartlepool: 41.7%
Derby: 46.7%
Brighton: 37.5%
Leeds: 14.3%
Forest: 45.3%

Paisley:
Liverpool: 57.4%

Wenger:
Arsenal: 57.1%

[Wild Rover]

Here you are BST. Shankley Managerial Career.


Carlisle United
 
1949-1951
 
108
 
48
 
33
 
27
 
44.44%
 


Grimsby Town
 
1951-1953
 
80
 
47
 
16
 
17
 
58.75%
 


Huddersfield Town
 
1956-1959
 
134
 
49
 
35
 
50
 
36.57%
 


Liverpool
 
1959-1974
 
753
 
393
 
185
 
175
 
52.19%
 


Total
 
1,075
 
537
 
269
 
269
 
49.95%

[Wokingviking]

Interesting that DP's record just beats Cloughie at both Forest and Derby.

On the subject of Penney, it's been a shame to see such a promising career dip like it has.

Wenger has better stats than you'd expect given they haven't won owt for years - a case of so nearly every season.

Thanks for that BST.

[wilts rover]

Thanks for that chaps, I did suspect that Penney would be on top - two promotions and all that. Just goes to show that stats and numbers of wins are not the only factor taken into account when changing managers - or surely Penney would still be here if JR thought he was going to win every other game.

I also though McMenemy would be higher as the percieved wisdon was that he wasn't given enough time and sacked before he should have been - not on those stats.

[Standanista]

And the England manager with the all-time highest win %, beating his nearest rival (Alf Ramsey) by over 5 percentage points, is ...?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/England_national_football_team_manager#Statistical_summary