City defend Copps Challenge

[Mr1Croft]

Colin defiant on Yannick Challenge

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[DearneValleyRover]

I wouldn't expect anything else if it was the other way round I would expect the club to support Copps'

[madmick50]

I wouldn't expect anything else if it was the other way round I would expect the club to support Copps'

I presume you are of the opinion that it was a disgraceful deliberate head butt. If that is the case then if Copps did something similar sounds like you'd think this was OK and the club should support him. What an absolute load of drivel.

I don't care who commits a deliberate dangerous potential career ending challenge. If it's one of our players they deserve as much opprobrium as an opposition player. It's absolutely ridiculous to support him just because he plays for us. No wonder players feel they can get away with these sorts of challenges.

[Dutch Uncle]

For what it's worth I actually knew Colin Sexstone quite well 30+ years ago when he was an officer in the RAF - we played a lot of squash together in Maastricht. Squash was very much in its infancy in the Netherlands and we played national tournaments and our Maastricht team became National club champions. Colin was known as a particularly fair player and was universally well liked.

Whilst I still think it was a terrible challenge by the Bristol player, I would expect our chairman to stick up for any of our players in the same circumstances.

[DearneValleyRover]

I wouldn't expect anything else if it was the other way round I would expect the club to support Copps'

I presume you are of the opinion that it was a disgraceful deliberate head butt. If that is the case then if Copps did something similar sounds like you'd think this was OK and the club should support him. What an absolute load of drivel.

I don't care who commits a deliberate dangerous potential career ending challenge. If it's one of our players they deserve as much opprobrium as an opposition player. It's absolutely ridiculous to support him just because he plays for us. No wonder players feel they can get away with these sorts of challenges.

I didn't say I supported the decision, I stated that I would not not expect Clubs to do anything else. As to drivel, I will leave that to you as you seem rather adept at it.

[DRNaith]

For what it's worth I actually knew Colin Sexstone quite well 30+ years ago when he was an officer in the RAF - we played a lot of squash together in Maastricht. Squash was very much in its infancy in the Netherlands and we played national tournaments and our Maastricht team became National club champions. Colin was known as a particularly fair player and was universally well liked.

Whilst I still think it was a terrible challenge by the Bristol player, I would expect our chairman to stick up for any of our players in the same circumstances.

My Dad used to play squash in the RAF too.  That and table tennis.  He worked on vulcans a little bit in between, when he had the time  

[Uhtred]

I don`t think that his comments hold any water. As an officer, he should know better, however it is a sad reflection that he doesn`t see anything wrong with the challenge. He tries to modify his statement by implying that \" on the day \" nothing seem wrong.

Tell that to Mario Balloteli now he has a 4 match ban.

I can only assume that Mr Sexstone wants to be loved by the panel of referees. I sincerely hope that it backfires spectacularly

[Chris Black come back]

For what it's worth I actually knew Colin Sexstone quite well 30+ years ago when he was an officer in the RAF - we played a lot of squash together in Maastricht. Squash was very much in its infancy in the Netherlands and we played national tournaments and our Maastricht team became National club champions. Colin was known as a particularly fair player and was universally well liked.

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Greatest ever post on this or indeed any other forum. Genius.

[madmick50]

I didn't say I supported the decision, I stated that I would not not expect Clubs to do anything else.

So do you think it is right to support a player who commits an horrendous potentially career ending challenge just because he plays for your club? Sounds like you do. By expecting the club to support the player you are implying that if it's one of our players then he should be supported. Talk about double standards.

If a member of your family head butted someone in the street causing him to be hospitalised would you support him just because he is a member of your family and pretend he'd done nothing wrong? Sounds like you would. I find your viewpoint totally contradictory and ludicrous.

[Glyn_Wigley]

I didn't say I supported the decision, I stated that I would not not expect Clubs to do anything else.

So do you think it is right to support a player who commits an horrendous potentially career ending challenge just because he plays for your club? Sounds like you do. By expecting the club to support the player you are implying that if it's one of our players then he should be supported. Talk about double standards.

If a member of your family head butted someone in the street causing him to be hospitalised would you support him just because he is a member of your family and pretend he'd done nothing wrong? Sounds like you would. I find your viewpoint totally contradictory and ludicrous.

It doesn't matter what he thinks is right or wrong, he says that what he expected any club to do, as that is what clubs DO do.

[madmick50]

It doesn't matter what he thinks is right or wrong, he says that what he expected any club to do, as that is what clubs DO do.

Yes it does matter what he thinks is right or wrong. Clubs get away with double standards because we as fans let them. Most fans are too thick to think the issue through. They simplify it down to to is he one of our players (then in that case it's all right) but if it's one of the opposition's players then the wrath of the gods should descend on them.

He wrote his post 'I would expect the club' etc thereby implying that this is what he would want the club to do. If he had said 'I expect the club would' etc then he could claim he wasn't giving his opinion.

Until fans,  Chairmen, managers and players etc make it plain to these thugs that their behaviour is intolerable then they will just carry on with it. We should not then be surprised to see youngsters being influenced by this type of behaviour.

[TheRev]

For what it's worth I actually knew Colin Sexstone quite well 30+ years ago when he was an officer in the RAF - we played a lot of squash together in Maastricht. Squash was very much in its infancy in the Netherlands and we played national tournaments and our Maastricht team became National club champions. Colin was known as a particularly fair player and was universally well liked.

Whilst I still think it was a terrible challenge by the Bristol player, I would expect our chairman to stick up for any of our players in the same circumstances.

My brother was stationed at Sittard for a good few years around that time. It's a lovely part of the world. He posts on here and the timescales you mention might be around that time Colin was out there too.

[DearneValleyRover]

It doesn't matter what he thinks is right or wrong, he says that what he expected any club to do, as that is what clubs DO do.

Yes it does matter what he thinks is right or wrong. Clubs get away with double standards because we as fans let them. Most fans are too thick to think the issue through. They simplify it down to to is he one of our players (then in that case it's all right) but if it's one of the opposition's players then the wrath of the gods should descend on them.

He wrote his post 'I would expect the club' etc thereby implying that this is what he would want the club to do. If he had said 'I expect the club would' etc then he could claim he wasn't giving his opinion.

Until fans,  Chairmen, managers and players etc make it plain to these thugs that their behaviour is intolerable then they will just carry on with it. We should not then be surprised to see youngsters being influenced by this type of behaviour.

My personal opinion on this is moot, I have in no way expressed it nor have I implied that I agree with any stance or action taken. You say most football fans are too thick to think an issue through so from that should I assume that you have looked at things from the perspective of the Bristol player, the club, the referee, 4th official, the fans in line with the incident and the law to be able to come up with conclusive proof that the said player should not be supported by his club under the allegations made or have you decided your stance based on the opinion you have formed watching the incident on film? Please don't retort that what I have just replied with is in anyway an expression of my own opinion as it is merely a question as indicated by the punctuation mark.

[Glyn_Wigley]

He wrote his post 'I would expect the club' etc thereby implying that this is what he would want the club to do. If he had said 'I expect the club would' etc then he could claim he wasn't giving his opinion.

Rubbish. Both mean exactly the same thing: 'the following is my expectation of the club's actions'. No implication of personal opinion anywhere. Go and study the English language from all angles as well because you're obviously one of those majority of fans who are 'too thick to think the issue through'.

[madmick50]

Both mean exactly the same thing: 'the following is my expectation of the club's actions'. No implication of personal opinion anywhere.

You're the one that's illiterate. Defend your friend all you want. It's obvious what he really thinks.

[madmick50]

My personal opinion on this is moot, I have in no way expressed it nor have I implied that I agree with any stance or action taken. You say most football fans are too thick to think an issue through so from that should I assume that you have looked at things from the perspective of the Bristol player, the club, the referee, 4th official, the fans in line with the incident and the law to be able to come up with conclusive proof that the said player should not be supported by his club under the allegations made or have you decided your stance based on the opinion you have formed watching the incident on film? Please don't retort that what I have just replied with is in anyway an expression of my own opinion as it is merely a question as indicated by the punctuation mark

I'll leave it to others to decide whether you've expressed your opinion or not seeing as you are not willing to confirm it or answer my questions. I'm not talking about just the Bristol incident. Far from it. If you read what I said properly I was making a general point.

You need to study up on your grammar. Your statement is not a question it is a statement. If it was a question it would require an answer and should have had a ? at the end. You have used a ' totally out of context.

[Glyn_Wigley]

Both mean exactly the same thing: 'the following is my expectation of the club's actions'. No implication of personal opinion anywhere.

You're the one that's illiterate. Defend your friend all you want. It's obvious what he really thinks.

Hmmm...I wonder how I managed to get a Grade A O-level in English Language when I was only 14 when I'm illiterate...perhaps teaching myself to read before I started going to school helped...

[DearneValleyRover]

My personal opinion on this is moot, I have in no way expressed it nor have I implied that I agree with any stance or action taken. You say most football fans are too thick to think an issue through so from that should I assume that you have looked at things from the perspective of the Bristol player, the club, the referee, 4th official, the fans in line with the incident and the law to be able to come up with conclusive proof that the said player should not be supported by his club under the allegations made or have you decided your stance based on the opinion you have formed watching the incident on film? Please don't retort that what I have just replied with is in anyway an expression of my own opinion as it is merely a question as indicated by the punctuation mark

I'll leave it to others to decide whether you've expressed your opinion or not seeing as you are not willing to confirm it or answer my questions. I'm not talking about just the Bristol incident. Far from it. If you read what I said properly I was making a general point.

You need to study up on your grammar. Your statement is not a question it is a statement. If it was a question it would require an answer and should have had a ? at the end. You have used a ' totally out of context.

Silly me for thinking that using a question mark at the end actually meant I was asking a question. Why should I answer your question when you have already made up your mind on what the answer is. You say you made a general comment but dismiss my original reply as not being the same and then imply it contained my opinion.

My opinion on the incident is that he should have received a red card.

[madmick50]

DearneValley, I'll make it easier for you as you are obviously interpreting my posts incorrectly. Here's what I posted with the relevant questions highlighted in bold.

So do you think it is right to support a player who commits an horrendous potentially career ending challenge just because he plays for your club? Sounds like you do. By expecting the club to support the player you are implying that if it's one of our players then he should be supported. Talk about double standards.

If a member of your family head butted someone in the street causing him to be hospitalised would you support him just because he is a member of your family and pretend he'd done nothing wrong? Sounds like you would. I find your viewpoint totally contradictory and ludicrous.

[hoolahoop]

My opinion on the subject is that his club should NOT have defended the player, I guess that puts me in madmick's corner for what it's worth.
He has made the point that dangerous play should never be defended whatever the circumstances and I happen to agree with him.

[madmick50]

Hmmm...I wonder how I managed to get a Grade A O-level in English Language when I was only 14 when I'm illiterate...perhaps teaching myself to read before I started going to school helped...

Ooh aren't you the clever one! You've obviously forgotten a lot of what you learned. If you think back you'll realise that you didn't teach yourself. Someone else will have taught you how to read. A little modesty wouldn't go amiss.

[DearneValleyRover]

I didn't realise my opinion meant so much and your question's are borne out of a misconception of my original post. Do I think it's right that clubs defend their players who commit fouls that are aimed at deliberately hurting another player whether that is career threatening or not, no and I also think they should be treated the same as any assault.  For your second see my first, what this has to do with me stating that I expect a club to defend its players based on historical evidence of that is what always happens is beyond me. Whatever your agenda is in regards to constantly picking fights with fellow supporters is also beyond me. I hope I have satisfactorily answered your needless questions.

[madmick50]

Do I think it's right that clubs defend their players who commit fouls that are aimed at deliberately hurting another player whether that is career threatening or not, no and I also think they should be treated the same as any assault. For your second see my first

Phew, we got there in the end. I'm glad you've come around to my way of thinking.

[DearneValleyRover]

I never thought any different but you took my original post out of context.

[Glyn_Wigley]

Hmmm...I wonder how I managed to get a Grade A O-level in English Language when I was only 14 when I'm illiterate...perhaps teaching myself to read before I started going to school helped...

Ooh aren't you the clever one! You've obviously forgotten a lot of what you learned. If you think back you'll realise that you didn't teach yourself. Someone else will have taught you how to read. A little modesty wouldn't go amiss.

I'm clever enough to know the difference in meaning of the words 'would' and 'should', unlike some others who seem to think they know the English language.

And no, I taught myself. My parents worked all day in the pub they ran leaving me alone. They both told me, separately, years after they divorced when I was five and hadn't spoken to each other since, that I had taught myself to read before I started infants school (the now demolished Beechfields School). They didn't do it, I was alone, care to tell me who taught me - the literacy fairy?

As for modesty, I'm amazed you've heard of the concept. You've certainly never shown any yourself.

[Glyn_Wigley]

I never thought any different but you took my original post out of context.

He's a fine one to accuse others of illiteracy, isn't he?

[DearneValleyRover]

I never thought any different but you took my original post out of context.

He's a fine one to accuse others of illiteracy, isn't he?

He certainly is Glyn

[madmick50]

And no, I taught myself. My parents worked all day in the pub they ran leaving me alone. They both told me, separately, years after they divorced when I was five and hadn't spoken to each other since, that I had taught myself to read before I started infants school (the now demolished Beechfields School). They didn't do it, I was alone, care to tell me who taught me - the literacy fairy?

If you truly believe that you managed to pull that one off all by yourself then who am I to argue. You have my sympathy for being left alone for so many of your early formative years. I appreciate that your parents must have been extremely busy but to leave a child alone for so many years does the child no favours. As the Jesuits said 'give me the boy until he is 7 and I will give you the man'.

[BillyStubbsTears]

Jesus up a-f**king-bove Mick.

Just go and have a J Arthur. Get it out of your system and give us all a f**king rest will you.

[The Red Baron]

Come on Billy- at least while they were disappearing up each other's arses on this thread the rest of the forum was safe from the petty arguments!