Four directors resign.

[Glyn_Wigley]

Criticism is one thing.

Vitriol based on ill-informed rumour, bullshit gossip or just plain b*llocks is another.

[BillyStubbsTears]

An observation.

Of COURSE we can criticise Ryan on here. We can also make unsubstantiated allegations (short of liable) and spout vitriol if we want.

Course, if we do, we perhaps ought to be grown up enough to accept the consequences...

[Alickismyhero]

Nudga,

I will nip that in the bud right now. I originated the concept some time ago and there was no mention of any financial investment coming from the American connection. I was aiming for a connection leading to the American club becoming a feeder club for Donny. I can say that Burnley were on the same course before the last recession but never followed through when the recession kicked in. The connection is not dead but don't expect any money being pumped in to  Donny.

Does this pave the way for the American investor?

[PDX_Rover]

John Ryan does take criticism on here very, very personally.  I can say that from personal experience having spoken to the great man when he sought to address some comments I had about the club shop and commercial marketing of the club.

While that's a fantastic quality in a Chairman - the willingness to talk to fans one on one - it's also dangerous, as it could lead to people being driven out of the club through criticism.

ON the flip side, JR, Terry and Dick are all grown men and very successful businessmen. I have absolutely no doubt they have had to take the rough with the smooth when they were building their respective businesses, so in my opinion, it seems a bit churlish to throw the towel in just because they've come in for a bit of stick on this forum.  It's part of change in a business and let's face it, we've seen a radical change this season.

Dick may have been advised to step down for health reasons, and I'm we all thank him for his generous support.... but I can't help thinking there's something more here... probably to do with the ground.

It's something of a vicious circle IMO - the club is not run off the field very well, including marketing and communications - so awareness is low, and crowds are not hitting what we need.  JR has come out on numerous occasions and had a pop at the public, rightly or wrongly, for not supporting the club.  Which irks people even more... and so support stagnates.

Whatever... it's done.  What we all need now is a statement of intent from the club about where we go from here, and some clarification of what the ramifications are of this announcement.

[Stu The Tickhill Red]

I think we are having the wool pulled over our eyes, there has got to be more to this the JR is letting on. Four directors resign because a few fans are moaning? Do me a favour, it happens at every club, are you saying that we are worse than any other? I don't think so.
I agree, some seem to moan for the sake of it but it all seems a bit over the top.
Thought Seth could have asked more cutting questions. Has the McKay saga had a impact on the board? We know why Dick has resigned but JR said he has not spoken to Mr Bramall since he came back of holiday,could he have done more to talk him round?

Not a dig at JR as such and wish Dick well, he drinks in my local.
Feel there is more to come out,

                               Lets hope for the best:unsure:

[hoolahoop]

He said Watson was I'll health but the others were probably due to the criticism they receive when all they're trying to do is the best for the club.

You've listened to his interview you've heard how upset he is yet you still come on here and moan about him again. I hope he has also read your comments about giving away your season ticket, cause then he will realise your views are null and void..

You mean the two insignificants on the board who are Watson's kids? You ever thought they may have left because Daddy as and not because of the fans? I doubt many even knew who they were or that they were on the board so no criticsm was dish their way!

I feel sorry for John Ryan because i feel he's been done like a kipper with all the SO'D/DS stuff and now they've just left him to take the wrath!

What as me giving my season ticket away got to do with this? I paid for it and can do with it what i see fit. I don't have any motivation whatsover to go and watch the club while McKay is here and these new players are rolling up.

I'll still end up buying a season ticket next season like i always do, and i'll still be entitled to my opinions, and if people don't agree with that then tough!

Yeah say what you like, tough titties if it jeapordises the club.  Ryan was talking about bramall getting pissed off

I shouldn't get involved in this playground pointing fingers but when did Brammal supposedly stop funding the club, was it was before all this SOD/DS/McKay divide happened?

Before, he couldn't stand SO'D , had little interest in football and joined the venture with his ex -business partner. JR would have expected him to help out once the SO'D issue was resolved, in the event he didn't and shipped out with his ex-partner.
Apparently this was all because of some negative posts and threads on this forum that represents some 12% of the regular home support !
Come on fellas are you really buying this as an excuse for 4 directors to 'ship' out ? Why the hell are we attacking each other and continuing down this ridiculous path ?

[Hertfordshire Red]

Used to see Dick in The Carpenters played football with Andrew (v good player)

Wish them all well and thankyou for their efforts over the years

[mutleyrover]

It is not true that because this is a so called  public forum it should be OK to express  just any view . In fact it is a Supporters Co operative that members pay for in the best interests of the club. To post negative and what is ofen destructive criticism , even like calling JR's outrage at the Coppinger business as 'pathetic and embarassing' is truly thoughtless .Worse still to pontificate how the McKay experiment is wrong.to criticise why?? to display what added value exactly? Even if it makes the poster feel superior in an \"I know best way\" it does JR's club no good at all.

Absolutely spot on, and what I've been trying to say for months.

So are you both of the opinion that if a VSC member does not agree with decisions made within the club they are unable to post their views / concerns / opinions on here? Just in case they are seen as negative or a criticism of the people making these decisions.  If that is the line people are being asked to follow then it is indeed a sad day, not only for the club but the VSC and in particular this forum too.

[jucyberry]

Unless you come by millions by robbing banks or winning the lottery, generally you have to be one tough focused cookie to become a multi millionaire... Are we really now supposed to believe these people quit because a few plebs had a bit of a moan?

How did they get so far in the world of commerce if they are such sensitive souls?

If todays news is an iceberg I think perhaps we are only seeing the very tip tbh.

[MartinB]

The mrs has just put corontion street on the tele...who needs coronation st when we have the soap opera of Donny Rovers?

[Chris Black come back]

When I was back up in doncaster at Christmas, I was told that if I thought that the club taking in a gamble and joining up with Willie McKay was a bad thing I should prepare for the latest rumor.....the locals in the paddock told me that the board were at logger heads due to Lord Kirkham been offered shares in the club, the big issue was that a board member and top director were offering out shares that weren’t there’s and also without speaking to the board first! Never believed it, just thought they were winding me up due to my well known opinion of that torrie thatcher loving prick. But now after this….. I’ve seen stranger things happen!!! That will be jumping into bed with the devil

Great. Just what we need now, a bloody Tory on the board at the same time as his lot are busy shafting the rest of the town!

[The Red Baron]

The mrs has just put corontion street on the tele...who needs coronation st when we have the soap opera of Donny Rovers?

You know, Martin? That's why I'm getting increasingly sick of the whole thing. The club I love is being turned into a soap opera.

[The Red Baron]

Unless you come by millions by robbing banks or winning the lottery, generally you have to be one tough focused cookie to become a multi millionaire... Are we really now supposed to believe these people quit because a few plebs had a bit of a moan?

How did they get so far in the world of commerce if they are such sensitive souls?

If todays news is an iceberg I think perhaps we are only seeing the very tip tbh.

Spot on, Jucy. FWIW I think John Ryan's been let down very badly by people he thought he could trust. We need to get behind him, but equally he needs to stop taking any criticism to heart. Especially when it is ill-informed.

Anyone in football- whether they be a director, manager, player, administrator, referee etc- who reads messageboards like this one, is going to hear some bad things said. But come on, we've not exactly had protest marches, boycotts, \"Sack The Board\" campaigns etc.

If only it had been so easy to get rid of Uncle Ken...

[dickos1]

Unless you come by millions by robbing banks or winning the lottery, generally you have to be one tough focused cookie to become a multi millionaire... Are we really now supposed to believe these people quit because a few plebs had a bit of a moan?

How did they get so far in the world of commerce if they are such sensitive souls?

If todays news is an iceberg I think perhaps we are only seeing the very tip tbh.

As I've stated elsewhere they may be hard nosed business men, but they were to help the club. They weren't here for themselves, they weren't hear to make money. They were here to help the club and jr. And all they received were criticism and little support so they probably thought what's the point.

[Rovin Reporter]

How many people are moaning/complaining/whinging etc??
We get how many home fans to a game? err 6000 ish??
How many complain err about 20 on here??
Hardly that bad to resort to resigning is it??

At last here I'd someone with sense !!!

[madmick50]

As I've stated elsewhere they may be hard nosed business men, but they were to help the club. They weren't here for themselves, they weren't hear to make money. They were here to help the club and jr. And all they received were criticism and little support so they probably thought what's the point.

Dick has left for medical reasons and his son and daughter have left because dad has gone. That leaves Terry who JR hasn't spoken to. So let's have a bit of perspective. Do you really believe that Terry has left because of my posts and a few others? Come off it.

There's a much bigger story waiting to come out. JR said himself it is only a small minority that are  as he puts it 'moaning'. So they haven't only received criticism they've mostly received support from the vast majority.

I thought we lived in a democracy where people could express their views. What is viewed by some as moaning is viewed by others as constructive criticism. I fall firmly into the constructive criticism camp. If I and others feel the club is going down the wrong path it would be very remiss of us not to say so.

You never know our views may well have been listened to and could potentially have averted a disaster for the club. At least I can hold my head up high and say I wasn't a sheep and I gave my honestly held views despite all the abuse thrown my way.

[Viking Don]

Hope you are proud mate, it could be that you and your kind have put these guys off pumping their money into a club with such idiotic 'fans'.

[Filo]

Why so you could revell in the misery and harm the likes of you have done to this club?

You might think your funny with your outlandish, I'll informed comments but i really hope you accept your part in what has just happened. You really do disgust me.

Get a grip. It wasn't me that sacked SO'D and embarked on an adventure into fantasy land.

You know, what this club needs right now is someone to step into the breach, a successful businessman, you know, the type that runs 3 highly successfully business`s, so successful that he could invest his millions made from them into the club, couple that with the huge profits from his professional gambling, where apparently he does n`t lose and surely he would n`t mind other less fortunate people telling him who he should or should n`t employ, or how he should or should n`t spend his money!

[dickos1]

As I've stated elsewhere they may be hard nosed business men, but they were to help the club. They weren't here for themselves, they weren't hear to make money. They were here to help the club and jr. And all they received were criticism and little support so they probably thought what's the point.

Dick has left for medical reasons and his son and daughter have left because dad has gone. That leaves Terry who JR hasn't spoken to. So let's have a bit of perspective. Do you really believe that Terry has left because of my posts and a few others? Come off it.

There's a much bigger story waiting to come out. JR said himself it is only a small minority that are  as he puts it 'moaning'. So they haven't only received criticism they've mostly received support from the vast majority.

I thought we lived in a democracy where people could express their views. What is viewed by some as moaning is viewed by others as constructive criticism. I fall firmly into the constructive criticism camp. If I and others feel the club is going down the wrong path it would be very remiss of us not to say so.

You never know our views may well have been listened to and could potentially have averted a disaster for the club. At least I can hold my head up high and say I wasn't a sheep and I gave my honestly held views despite all the abuse thrown my way.

Averted a disaster?? Looks to me like they've caused the disaster.

[donnyroversfc]

As I've stated elsewhere they may be hard nosed business men, but they were to help the club. They weren't here for themselves, they weren't hear to make money. They were here to help the club and jr. And all they received were criticism and little support so they probably thought what's the point.

Dick has left for medical reasons and his son and daughter have left because dad has gone. That leaves Terry who JR hasn't spoken to. So let's have a bit of perspective. Do you really believe that Terry has left because of my posts and a few others? Come off it.

There's a much bigger story waiting to come out. JR said himself it is only a small minority that are  as he puts it 'moaning'. So they haven't only received criticism they've mostly received support from the vast majority.

I thought we lived in a democracy where people could express their views. What is viewed by some as moaning is viewed by others as constructive criticism. I fall firmly into the constructive criticism camp. If I and others feel the club is going down the wrong path it would be very remiss of us not to say so.

You never know our views may well have been listened to and could potentially have averted a disaster for the club. At least I can hold my head up high and say I wasn't a sheep and I gave my honestly held views despite all the abuse thrown my way.

Averted a disaster?? Looks to me like they've caused the disaster.

So you still belive the board members left because of criticism on here? Its a totally laughable excuse and one i don't believe one bit!

[Filo]

Maybe some of the critics on here should take a long hard look at themselves!

Filo that post is totally uncalled for , this is a fans forum where free speech is allowed. These are 'hard nosed' businessmen and don't give a flying fook what's on here in the main.
Perhaps you should look at your self here instead of blaming the man on the street for the resignations of 4 directors.
As I see it ........we're ALL allowed to write our opinions, perhaps a post you made caused the directors to resign numpty. :angry:
Perhaps those critics were right all along and that's the rationale behind the resignations.

Now I`m in from work i`ll respond properly.

First of all, i`m not a numpty, like wellred stated, and this goes for anyone, if the cap fits! I`m not saying censor peoples opinions, but there are one or two on here that have a clear agenda when it comes to recent decisions the board have made, they start multiple threads about the same thing, they can`t just voice their concerns and move on, no, they have to force feed us their opinions over and over again, to the point where people are pig sick of reading what they type, they can`t see beyond there nose end! it`s pathetic!

As for the directors not taking any notice of things on here, how can they? it was only a fortnight ago that there were posts about having protests, we even had someone organise a petition to protest about the way the directors were running the club, how would you feel if some one was trying to tell you how to spend your money? i hope the repetative negative posters, the organisers of the petition and the people that put their names to it are satisfied now, I`m sure they`ve got an alternative plan to finance the club!

[madmick50]

Hope you are proud mate, it could be that you and your kind have put these guys off pumping their money into a club with such idiotic 'fans'.

I'm very proud to have had the courage of my convictions to point out what I considered to be the weaknesses in the McKay strategy. I gave perfectly good reasons why it couldn't work in the hope it would be abandoned before it was too late. I'm not a sheep and will not toe the club line if I feel it is not in the best interests of the club.

If you really believe I have the power to stop them from putting money into the club then you need to get a grip. It's a poor excuse for why they've left and once again we are being kept in the dark.

[donnyroversfc]

Maybe some of the critics on here should take a long hard look at themselves!

Filo that post is totally uncalled for , this is a fans forum where free speech is allowed. These are 'hard nosed' businessmen and don't give a flying fook what's on here in the main.
Perhaps you should look at your self here instead of blaming the man on the street for the resignations of 4 directors.
As I see it ........we're ALL allowed to write our opinions, perhaps a post you made caused the directors to resign numpty. :angry:
Perhaps those critics were right all along and that's the rationale behind the resignations.

Now I`m in from work i`ll respond properly.

First of all, i`m not a numpty, like wellred stated, and this goes for anyone, if the cap fits! I`m not saying censor peoples opinions, but there are one or two on here that have a clear agenda when it comes to recent decisions the board have made, they start multiple threads about the same thing, they can`t just voice their concerns and move on, no, they have to force feed us their opinions over and over again, to the point where people are pig sick of reading what they type, they can`t see beyond there nose end! it`s pathetic!

As for the directors not taking any notice of things on here, how can they? it was only a fortnight ago that there were posts about having protests, we even had someone organise a petition to protest about the way the directors were running the club, how would you feel if some one was trying to tell you how to spend your money? i hope the repetative negative posters, the organisers of the petition and the people that put their names to it are satisfied now, I`m sure they`ve got an alternative plan to finance the club!

I thought that was just a facebook thing? Everyone on here (me included) were totally against anything like that!

[dickos1]

Hope you are proud mate, it could be that you and your kind have put these guys off pumping their money into a club with such idiotic 'fans'.

I'm very proud to have had the courage of my convictions to point out what I considered to be the weaknesses in the McKay strategy. I gave perfectly good reasons why it couldn't work in the hope it would be abandoned before it was too late. I'm not a sheep and will not toe the club line if I feel it is not in the best interests of the club.

If you really believe I have the power to stop them from putting money into the club then you need to get a grip. It's a poor excuse for why they've left and once again we are being kept in the dark.

If you really had the clubs interests at heart you wouldn't keep going on and on, especially now. Everybody knows your opinion now so leave it at that.

[dickos1]

As I've stated elsewhere they may be hard nosed business men, but they were to help the club. They weren't here for themselves, they weren't hear to make money. They were here to help the club and jr. And all they received were criticism and little support so they probably thought what's the point.

Dick has left for medical reasons and his son and daughter have left because dad has gone. That leaves Terry who JR hasn't spoken to. So let's have a bit of perspective. Do you really believe that Terry has left because of my posts and a few others? Come off it.

There's a much bigger story waiting to come out. JR said himself it is only a small minority that are  as he puts it 'moaning'. So they haven't only received criticism they've mostly received support from the vast majority.

I thought we lived in a democracy where people could express their views. What is viewed by some as moaning is viewed by others as constructive criticism. I fall firmly into the constructive criticism camp. If I and others feel the club is going down the wrong path it would be very remiss of us not to say so.

You never know our views may well have been listened to and could potentially have averted a disaster for the club. At least I can hold my head up high and say I wasn't a sheep and I gave my honestly held views despite all the abuse thrown my way.

Averted a disaster?? Looks to me like they've caused the disaster.

So you still belive the board members left because of criticism on here? Its a totally laughable excuse and one i don't believe one bit!

Of course you don't, why would you believe anything Ryan says. You never have before.

[Filo]

Maybe some of the critics on here should take a long hard look at themselves!

Filo that post is totally uncalled for , this is a fans forum where free speech is allowed. These are 'hard nosed' businessmen and don't give a flying fook what's on here in the main.
Perhaps you should look at your self here instead of blaming the man on the street for the resignations of 4 directors.
As I see it ........we're ALL allowed to write our opinions, perhaps a post you made caused the directors to resign numpty. :angry:
Perhaps those critics were right all along and that's the rationale behind the resignations.

Now I`m in from work i`ll respond properly.

First of all, i`m not a numpty, like wellred stated, and this goes for anyone, if the cap fits! I`m not saying censor peoples opinions, but there are one or two on here that have a clear agenda when it comes to recent decisions the board have made, they start multiple threads about the same thing, they can`t just voice their concerns and move on, no, they have to force feed us their opinions over and over again, to the point where people are pig sick of reading what they type, they can`t see beyond there nose end! it`s pathetic!

As for the directors not taking any notice of things on here, how can they? it was only a fortnight ago that there were posts about having protests, we even had someone organise a petition to protest about the way the directors were running the club, how would you feel if some one was trying to tell you how to spend your money? i hope the repetative negative posters, the organisers of the petition and the people that put their names to it are satisfied now, I`m sure they`ve got an alternative plan to finance the club!

I thought that was just a facebook thing? Everyone on here (me included) were totally against anything like that!

You thought wrong then!

The organiser posts on here regularly and there was a link posted on here to the petition!

[Filo]

Hope you are proud mate, it could be that you and your kind have put these guys off pumping their money into a club with such idiotic 'fans'.

I'm very proud to have had the courage of my convictions to point out what I considered to be the weaknesses in the McKay strategy. I gave perfectly good reasons why it couldn't work in the hope it would be abandoned before it was too late. I'm not a sheep and will not toe the club line if I feel it is not in the best interests of the club.

If you really believe I have the power to stop them from putting money into the club then you need to get a grip. It's a poor excuse for why they've left and once again we are being kept in the dark.

You`re like a F******g broken record, you can`t help yourself can you? We know your opinions, why go on and on and on? you`re not helping matters at all!

[donnyroversfc]

As I've stated elsewhere they may be hard nosed business men, but they were to help the club. They weren't here for themselves, they weren't hear to make money. They were here to help the club and jr. And all they received were criticism and little support so they probably thought what's the point.

Dick has left for medical reasons and his son and daughter have left because dad has gone. That leaves Terry who JR hasn't spoken to. So let's have a bit of perspective. Do you really believe that Terry has left because of my posts and a few others? Come off it.

There's a much bigger story waiting to come out. JR said himself it is only a small minority that are  as he puts it 'moaning'. So they haven't only received criticism they've mostly received support from the vast majority.

I thought we lived in a democracy where people could express their views. What is viewed by some as moaning is viewed by others as constructive criticism. I fall firmly into the constructive criticism camp. If I and others feel the club is going down the wrong path it would be very remiss of us not to say so.

You never know our views may well have been listened to and could potentially have averted a disaster for the club. At least I can hold my head up high and say I wasn't a sheep and I gave my honestly held views despite all the abuse thrown my way.

Averted a disaster?? Looks to me like they've caused the disaster.

So you still belive the board members left because of criticism on here? Its a totally laughable excuse and one i don't believe one bit!

Of course you don't, why would you believe anything Ryan says. You never have before.

Never have? I think you'll find you're wrong there! I have stated in the past that i feel we have/are been lied to (Sharp clause, Backing and sacking SO'D etc). I also feel he is witholding the real reasons why the board members have resigned, i very much doubt that the truth will come out either, he's using us fans as an easy target to blame when it's quite clear to anyone that there as been alot of stuff going on behind the scenes that they want to keep quiet.

Anyone remember John Ryan saying about how lots of loans/short term players wont work when talking about Sheffield United? So why have we gone down that route then?

[donnyroversfc]

Maybe some of the critics on here should take a long hard look at themselves!

Filo that post is totally uncalled for , this is a fans forum where free speech is allowed. These are 'hard nosed' businessmen and don't give a flying fook what's on here in the main.
Perhaps you should look at your self here instead of blaming the man on the street for the resignations of 4 directors.
As I see it ........we're ALL allowed to write our opinions, perhaps a post you made caused the directors to resign numpty. :angry:
Perhaps those critics were right all along and that's the rationale behind the resignations.

Now I`m in from work i`ll respond properly.

First of all, i`m not a numpty, like wellred stated, and this goes for anyone, if the cap fits! I`m not saying censor peoples opinions, but there are one or two on here that have a clear agenda when it comes to recent decisions the board have made, they start multiple threads about the same thing, they can`t just voice their concerns and move on, no, they have to force feed us their opinions over and over again, to the point where people are pig sick of reading what they type, they can`t see beyond there nose end! it`s pathetic!

As for the directors not taking any notice of things on here, how can they? it was only a fortnight ago that there were posts about having protests, we even had someone organise a petition to protest about the way the directors were running the club, how would you feel if some one was trying to tell you how to spend your money? i hope the repetative negative posters, the organisers of the petition and the people that put their names to it are satisfied now, I`m sure they`ve got an alternative plan to finance the club!

I thought that was just a facebook thing? Everyone on here (me included) were totally against anything like that!

You thought wrong then!

The organiser posts on here regularly and there was a link posted on here to the petition!

If thats the case then fair enough, i just thought it was a load of school kids on Facebook.

[dickos1]

As I've stated elsewhere they may be hard nosed business men, but they were to help the club. They weren't here for themselves, they weren't hear to make money. They were here to help the club and jr. And all they received were criticism and little support so they probably thought what's the point.

Dick has left for medical reasons and his son and daughter have left because dad has gone. That leaves Terry who JR hasn't spoken to. So let's have a bit of perspective. Do you really believe that Terry has left because of my posts and a few others? Come off it.

There's a much bigger story waiting to come out. JR said himself it is only a small minority that are  as he puts it 'moaning'. So they haven't only received criticism they've mostly received support from the vast majority.

I thought we lived in a democracy where people could express their views. What is viewed by some as moaning is viewed by others as constructive criticism. I fall firmly into the constructive criticism camp. If I and others feel the club is going down the wrong path it would be very remiss of us not to say so.

You never know our views may well have been listened to and could potentially have averted a disaster for the club. At least I can hold my head up high and say I wasn't a sheep and I gave my honestly held views despite all the abuse thrown my way.

Averted a disaster?? Looks to me like they've caused the disaster.

So you still belive the board members left because of criticism on here? Its a totally laughable excuse and one i don't believe one bit!

Of course you don't, why would you believe anything Ryan says. You never have before.

Never have? I think you'll find you're wrong there! I have stated in the past that i feel we have/are been lied to (Sharp clause, Backing and sacking SO'D etc). I also feel he is witholding the real reasons why the board members have resigned, i very much doubt that the truth will come out either, he's using us fans as an easy target to blame when it's quite clear to anyone that there as been alot of stuff going on behind the scenes that they want to keep quiet.

Anyone remember John Ryan saying about how lots of loans/short term players wont work when talking about Sheffield United? So why have we gone down that route then?

My god.. Are you wired up correctly?? I've just said you don't trust or believe anything he says. And then you proceed to confirm my point in some sort of idiotic argument..
We both agree you don't believe him end of..
Carry on posting shit like that and you'll have nobody here not to trust