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Mr1Croft

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Re: Four directors resign.
« Reply #90 on January 25, 2012, 08:02:03 pm by Mr1Croft »
Why not spend the next 6 weeks arguing amongst each other pointing the finger and accusing one and other of someway destroying the club.

Or why not stop this playground madness, JR said we need to look to the future, lets give the man the reaction he deserves and stop the infighting while we can. We are all here because we are Rovers fans. We need to unite and stand behind John Ryan.



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madmick50

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Re: Four directors resign.
« Reply #91 on January 25, 2012, 08:02:44 pm by madmick50 »
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Why so you could revell in the misery and harm the likes of you have done to this club?

You might think your funny with your outlandish, I'll informed comments but i really hope you accept your part in what has just happened. You really do disgust me.


Get a grip. It wasn't me that sacked SO'D and embarked on an adventure into fantasy land.

dickos1

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Re: Four directors resign.
« Reply #92 on January 25, 2012, 08:04:19 pm by dickos1 »
He said Watson was I'll health but the others were probably due to the criticism they receive when all they're trying to do is the best for the club.

You've listened to his interview you've heard how upset he is yet you still come on here and moan about him again. I hope he has also read your comments about giving away your season ticket, cause then he will realise your views are null and void..

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Re: Four directors resign.
« Reply #93 on January 25, 2012, 08:10:12 pm by Red wizard »
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He said Watson was I'll health but the others were probably due to the criticism they receive when all they're trying to do is the best for the club.

You've listened to his interview you've heard how upset he is yet you still come on here and moan about him again. I hope he has also read your comments about giving away your season ticket, cause then he will realise your views are null and void..
He won't give his ticket away. I offered him money for it and he never replied. So again i will buy it from you if you want to sell.

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Re: Four directors resign.
« Reply #94 on January 25, 2012, 08:11:39 pm by fudgepacker »
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Why so you could revell in the misery and harm the likes of you have done to this club?

You might think your funny with your outlandish, I'll informed comments but i really hope you accept your part in what has just happened. You really do disgust me.


Get a grip. It wasn't me that sacked SO'D and embarked on an adventure into fantasy land.


SOD has gone and the Mckay experiment is happening. Just accept it and stop your constant bleating.

JR is a legend and personally he could sell all the squad and replace them with the Belles and I would still think that. We 'fans' have no divine right to have a club in the Championship or expect JR to spend his hard earned cash on keeping us here when we won't part with £27 of our hard earned cash.

wilts rover

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Re: Four directors resign.
« Reply #95 on January 25, 2012, 08:12:12 pm by wilts rover »
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Why so you could revell in the misery and harm the likes of you have done to this club?

You might think your funny with your outlandish, I'll informed comments but i really hope you accept your part in what has just happened. You really do disgust me.


Get a grip. It wasn't me that sacked SO'D and embarked on an adventure into fantasy land.


No but it was you who set up an extremly vocal and irritating campaign against the people who did - I hope you are happy at the effect it has had. You want to run the club your way - go ask the rest of your Barnsley mates to raid their piggy banks and help fund the shortfall then.

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Re: Four directors resign.
« Reply #96 on January 25, 2012, 08:15:27 pm by besty »
How many people are moaning/complaining/whinging etc??
We get how many home fans to a game? err 6000 ish??
How many complain err about 20 on here??
Hardly that bad to resort to resigning is it??

dickos1

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Re: Four directors resign.
« Reply #97 on January 25, 2012, 08:15:49 pm by dickos1 »
I don't even think we can blame mick. If he's a Barnsley fan he's come on here to take the piss. It's our fans that have jumped on his side when he is only here to wind us up that need to look at themselves.

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Re: Four directors resign.
« Reply #98 on January 25, 2012, 08:17:36 pm by MrFrost »
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Why so you could revell in the misery and harm the likes of you have done to this club?

You might think your funny with your outlandish, I'll informed comments but i really hope you accept your part in what has just happened. You really do disgust me.


Get a grip. It wasn't me that sacked SO'D and embarked on an adventure into fantasy land.


SOD has gone and the Mckay experiment is happening. Just accept it and stop your constant bleating.

JR is a legend and personally he could sell all the squad and replace them with the Belles and I would still think that. We 'fans' have no divine right to have a club in the Championship or expect JR to spend his hard earned cash on keeping us here when we won't part with £27 of our hard earned cash.


IMO the real scapegoat in all this is Terry Bramall. A guy with incredible wealth who months ago decided to no invest any more. Just why was he on the board in the first place. I made a comparison at the beginning of the season to him and a normal season ticket holder. With his then yearly investment, in percentage terms, it didn't even equal to our cheapest season ticket.

dickos1

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Re: Four directors resign.
« Reply #99 on January 25, 2012, 08:18:35 pm by dickos1 »
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How many people are moaning/complaining/whinging etc??
We get how many home fans to a game? err 6000 ish??
How many complain err about 20 on here??
Hardly that bad to resort to resigning is it??

It's because there are far more on here moaning, if people are happy they don't say anything, so maybe the happy people should come forward and drown out the whingers

donnyroversfc

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Re: Four directors resign.
« Reply #100 on January 25, 2012, 08:20:37 pm by donnyroversfc »
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He said Watson was I'll health but the others were probably due to the criticism they receive when all they're trying to do is the best for the club.

You've listened to his interview you've heard how upset he is yet you still come on here and moan about him again. I hope he has also read your comments about giving away your season ticket, cause then he will realise your views are null and void..


You mean the two insignificants on the board who are Watson's kids? You ever thought they may have left because Daddy as and not because of the fans? I doubt many even knew who they were or that they were on the board so no criticsm was dish their way!

I feel sorry for John Ryan because i feel he's been done like a kipper with all the SO'D/DS stuff and now they've just left him to take the wrath!

What as me giving my season ticket away got to do with this? I paid for it and can do with it what i see fit. I don't have any motivation whatsover to go and watch the club while McKay is here and these new players are rolling up.

I'll still end up buying a season ticket next season like i always do, and i'll still be entitled to my opinions, and if people don't agree with that then tough!

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Re: Four directors resign.
« Reply #101 on January 25, 2012, 08:20:56 pm by CrazyRover »
I think JR needs everyone's full support right now. We are incredibly lucky to have such a great, committed Chairman and if we love the club and want to see it succeed then we need to get behind him, the Manager and the team and support them in the best way that we can!

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Re: Four directors resign.
« Reply #102 on January 25, 2012, 08:21:59 pm by dickos1 »
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Why so you could revell in the misery and harm the likes of you have done to this club?

You might think your funny with your outlandish, I'll informed comments but i really hope you accept your part in what has just happened. You really do disgust me.


Get a grip. It wasn't me that sacked SO'D and embarked on an adventure into fantasy land.


SOD has gone and the Mckay experiment is happening. Just accept it and stop your constant bleating.

JR is a legend and personally he could sell all the squad and replace them with the Belles and I would still think that. We 'fans' have no divine right to have a club in the Championship or expect JR to spend his hard earned cash on keeping us here when we won't part with £27 of our hard earned cash.

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IMO the real scapegoat in all this is Terry Bramall. A guy with incredible wealth who months ago decided to no invest any more. Just why was he on the board in the first place. I made a comparison at the beginning of the season to him and a normal season ticket holder. With his then yearly investment, in percentage terms, it didn't even equal to our cheapest season ticket.

I very much doubt that John thought at the beginning that bramall would help him as little as he has done. You know what they say about hindsight

dumbroofer

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Re: Four directors resign.
« Reply #103 on January 25, 2012, 08:22:39 pm by dumbroofer »
first of all let me wish a speedy recovery to mr watson.

imay have been one of the moaners on here,due to my concern to where we were/are heading.
to me my glass is always half empty.
therefore my apologies go to sir john and anyone else whom ive upset.



              rtid

donnyroversfc

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Re: Four directors resign.
« Reply #104 on January 25, 2012, 08:24:52 pm by donnyroversfc »
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He won't give his ticket away. I offered him money for it and he never replied. So again i will buy it from you if you want to sell.


I genuinly must have missed that comment then Red Wizard. It was a 17-21 season ticket anyway so i dont know if you'd have still wanted it? I did give it away, why would i lie about that? Like i said, it was paid for by me so it was my decision what i wanted to do with it.

Still dont see why my season ticket and what i have done with it as any relevance to all this though...

southwestexile

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Re: Four directors resign.
« Reply #105 on January 25, 2012, 08:25:21 pm by southwestexile »
I doubt that Terry Bramall has got to his level of financial status without hearing the odd whisper of discontent along the way.  He'll have a thicker skin than mad mick could poke a wound in.  There has to be a fall out at top-level, difference of opinion about direction, how to deal with the media, sandwich fillings at the half-time buffet, frustration about lack of investment or such like.  Either way, a personality clash has caused this split and we have to hope and pray that JR manages to find some like-walleted friends to help us along the way in both the short and long term.

dickos1

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Re: Four directors resign.
« Reply #106 on January 25, 2012, 08:25:23 pm by dickos1 »
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He said Watson was I'll health but the others were probably due to the criticism they receive when all they're trying to do is the best for the club.

You've listened to his interview you've heard how upset he is yet you still come on here and moan about him again. I hope he has also read your comments about giving away your season ticket, cause then he will realise your views are null and void..


You mean the two insignificants on the board who are Watson's kids? You ever thought they may have left because Daddy as and not because of the fans? I doubt many even knew who they were or that they were on the board so no criticsm was dish their way!

I feel sorry for John Ryan because i feel he's been done like a kipper with all the SO'D/DS stuff and now they've just left him to take the wrath!

What as me giving my season ticket away got to do with this? I paid for it and can do with it what i see fit. I don't have any motivation whatsover to go and watch the club while McKay is here and these new players are rolling up.

I'll still end up buying a season ticket next season like i always do, and i'll still be entitled to my opinions, and if people don't agree with that then tough!


Yeah say what you like, tough titties if it jeapordises the club.  Ryan was talking about bramall getting pissed off

dickos1

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Re: Four directors resign.
« Reply #107 on January 25, 2012, 08:28:37 pm by dickos1 »
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I doubt that Terry Bramall has got to his level of financial status without hearing the odd whisper of discontent along the way.  He'll have a thicker skin than mad mick could poke a wound in.  There has to be a fall out at top-level, difference of opinion about direction, how to deal with the media, sandwich fillings at the half-time buffet, frustration about lack of investment or such like.  Either way, a personality clash has caused this split and we have to hope and pray that JR manages to find some like-walleted friends to help us along the way in both the short and long term.


The difference with this is, he was here to help us out and jr out. And when you receive constant criticism from people you are only here to help then I can imagine your patience will run thin. He was never here to make money he was here to help.

Mr1Croft

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Re: Four directors resign.
« Reply #108 on January 25, 2012, 08:34:28 pm by Mr1Croft »
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He said Watson was I'll health but the others were probably due to the criticism they receive when all they're trying to do is the best for the club.

You've listened to his interview you've heard how upset he is yet you still come on here and moan about him again. I hope he has also read your comments about giving away your season ticket, cause then he will realise your views are null and void..


You mean the two insignificants on the board who are Watson's kids? You ever thought they may have left because Daddy as and not because of the fans? I doubt many even knew who they were or that they were on the board so no criticsm was dish their way!

I feel sorry for John Ryan because i feel he's been done like a kipper with all the SO'D/DS stuff and now they've just left him to take the wrath!

What as me giving my season ticket away got to do with this? I paid for it and can do with it what i see fit. I don't have any motivation whatsover to go and watch the club while McKay is here and these new players are rolling up.

I'll still end up buying a season ticket next season like i always do, and i'll still be entitled to my opinions, and if people don't agree with that then tough!


Yeah say what you like, tough titties if it jeapordises the club.  Ryan was talking about bramall getting pissed off


I shouldn't get involved in this playground pointing fingers but when did Brammal supposedly stop funding the club, was it was before all this SOD/DS/McKay divide happened?

wilts rover

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Re: Four directors resign.
« Reply #109 on January 25, 2012, 08:35:25 pm by wilts rover »
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Why so you could revell in the misery and harm the likes of you have done to this club?

You might think your funny with your outlandish, I'll informed comments but i really hope you accept your part in what has just happened. You really do disgust me.


Get a grip. It wasn't me that sacked SO'D and embarked on an adventure into fantasy land.


SOD has gone and the Mckay experiment is happening. Just accept it and stop your constant bleating.

JR is a legend and personally he could sell all the squad and replace them with the Belles and I would still think that. We 'fans' have no divine right to have a club in the Championship or expect JR to spend his hard earned cash on keeping us here when we won't part with £27 of our hard earned cash.


IMO the real scapegoat in all this is Terry Bramall. A guy with incredible wealth who months ago decided to no invest any more. Just why was he on the board in the first place. I made a comparison at the beginning of the season to him and a normal season ticket holder. With his then yearly investment, in percentage terms, it didn't even equal to our cheapest season ticket.


And why are you questioning his right to be on the board if JR isn't? I believe he was on the board because JR asked him to be. If you bothered to do any research you will find that he does a lot of work with community programmes, arts development, supported housing projects, He probably thinks now that his incredible wealth is better used in those areas than for the benefit of the ungrateful and questioning 'supporters' of DRFC.

Among all the proverbs which have so far been trotted out on this thread why has no-one put 'don't bite the hand that feeds you' because this is exactly what has happened whether you like it or not.

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Re: Four directors resign.
« Reply #110 on January 25, 2012, 08:35:33 pm by graingrover »
It is not true that because this is a so called  public forum it should be OK to express  just any view . In fact it is a Supporters Co operative that members pay for in the best interests of the club. To post negative and what is ofen destructive criticism , even like calling JR's outrage at the Coppinger business as 'pathetic and embarassing' is truly thoughtless .Worse still to pontificate how the McKay experiment is wrong.to criticise why?? to display what added value exactly? Even if it makes the poster feel superior in an \"I know best way\" it does JR's club no good at all.

GloucesterRover31

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Re: Four directors resign.
« Reply #111 on January 25, 2012, 08:36:18 pm by GloucesterRover31 »
When I was back up in doncaster at Christmas, I was told that if I thought that the club taking in a gamble and joining up with Willie McKay was a bad thing I should prepare for the latest rumor.....the locals in the paddock told me that the board were at logger heads due to Lord Kirkham been offered shares in the club, the big issue was that a board member and top director were offering out shares that weren’t there’s and also without speaking to the board first! Never believed it, just thought they were winding me up due to my well known opinion of that torrie thatcher loving prick. But now after this….. I’ve seen stranger things happen!!! That will be jumping into bed with the devil

donnyroversfc

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Re: Four directors resign.
« Reply #112 on January 25, 2012, 08:38:01 pm by donnyroversfc »
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He said Watson was I'll health but the others were probably due to the criticism they receive when all they're trying to do is the best for the club.

You've listened to his interview you've heard how upset he is yet you still come on here and moan about him again. I hope he has also read your comments about giving away your season ticket, cause then he will realise your views are null and void..


You mean the two insignificants on the board who are Watson's kids? You ever thought they may have left because Daddy as and not because of the fans? I doubt many even knew who they were or that they were on the board so no criticsm was dish their way!

I feel sorry for John Ryan because i feel he's been done like a kipper with all the SO'D/DS stuff and now they've just left him to take the wrath!

What as me giving my season ticket away got to do with this? I paid for it and can do with it what i see fit. I don't have any motivation whatsover to go and watch the club while McKay is here and these new players are rolling up.

I'll still end up buying a season ticket next season like i always do, and i'll still be entitled to my opinions, and if people don't agree with that then tough!


Yeah say what you like, tough titties if it jeapordises the club.  Ryan was talking about bramall getting pissed off


If they couldn't handle the critiscm of a few (and it really is a few) people on an internet forum then maybe they shouldn't have gone on the board in the first place?

Im obviously glad they did come on board because we'd definately not be in the Championship now if it wasn't for the 3 of them. It's their choices and decisions that they've made in the last few months though that could jeopordies the club, not the fans.

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Re: Four directors resign.
« Reply #113 on January 25, 2012, 08:45:05 pm by NorthNorfolkRover »
The bristol match was a disaster for us on several fronts.

dickos1

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Re: Four directors resign.
« Reply #114 on January 25, 2012, 08:46:21 pm by dickos1 »
Quote from: \"graingrover\" post=215396
It is not true that because this is a so called  public forum it should be OK to express  just any view . In fact it is a Supporters Co operative that members pay for in the best interests of the club. To post negative and what is ofen destructive criticism , even like calling JR's outrage at the Coppinger business as 'pathetic and embarassing' is truly thoughtless .Worse still to pontificate how the McKay experiment is wrong.to criticise why?? to display what added value exactly? Even if it makes the poster feel superior in an \"I know best way\" it does JR's club no good at all.


Absolutely spot on, and what I've been trying to say for months.

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Re: Four directors resign.
« Reply #115 on January 25, 2012, 08:46:53 pm by southwestexile »
Quote from: \"GloucesterRover31\" post=215397
When I was back up in doncaster at Christmas, I was told that if I thought that the club taking in a gamble and joining up with Willie McKay was a bad thing I should prepare for the latest rumor.....the locals in the paddock told me that the board were at logger heads due to Lord Kirkham been offered shares in the club, the big issue was that a board member and top director were offering out shares that weren’t there’s and also without speaking to the board first! Never believed it, just thought they were winding me up due to my well known opinion of that torrie thatcher loving prick. But now after this….. I’ve seen stranger things happen!!! That will be jumping into bed with the devil


out of the frying pan......

:suicide:

Nudga

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Re: Four directors resign.
« Reply #116 on January 25, 2012, 08:49:59 pm by Nudga »
Does this pave the way for the American investor?

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Re: Four directors resign.
« Reply #117 on January 25, 2012, 08:54:34 pm by MrFrost »
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Why so you could revell in the misery and harm the likes of you have done to this club?

You might think your funny with your outlandish, I'll informed comments but i really hope you accept your part in what has just happened. You really do disgust me.


Get a grip. It wasn't me that sacked SO'D and embarked on an adventure into fantasy land.


SOD has gone and the Mckay experiment is happening. Just accept it and stop your constant bleating.

JR is a legend and personally he could sell all the squad and replace them with the Belles and I would still think that. We 'fans' have no divine right to have a club in the Championship or expect JR to spend his hard earned cash on keeping us here when we won't part with £27 of our hard earned cash.


IMO the real scapegoat in all this is Terry Bramall. A guy with incredible wealth who months ago decided to no invest any more. Just why was he on the board in the first place. I made a comparison at the beginning of the season to him and a normal season ticket holder. With his then yearly investment, in percentage terms, it didn't even equal to our cheapest season ticket.


And why are you questioning his right to be on the board if JR isn't? I believe he was on the board because JR asked him to be. If you bothered to do any research you will find that he does a lot of work with community programmes, arts development, supported housing projects, He probably thinks now that his incredible wealth is better used in those areas than for the benefit of the ungrateful and questioning 'supporters' of DRFC.

Among all the proverbs which have so far been trotted out on this thread why has no-one put 'don't bite the hand that feeds you' because this is exactly what has happened whether you like it or not.


I'm questioning it, because I feel questions need to be asked, especially with his sudden withdrawel of funding which was never explained. If you are deluded enough to think we shouldn't ask questions just because it might piss off JR then you really need to wake up and smell the coffee.
At the end of the day, I pay my £27 week in week out. The going on at board level this season have been suspicious to say the least, from the withdrawel of funds from Bramall, SOD's sacking 48 hours after JR said on local radio he was going nowhere. The involvement of Willie Mckay and a sudden influx of \"big name\" players. And this is before we get onto the matter of relegation.

John Ryan has done wonders at this club. But does that mean we should not question anything that ever happens at DRFC while he is at the helm? Just plod on with complete ignorance and pretend that everything is okay?

BillyStubbsTears

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Re: Four directors resign.
« Reply #118 on January 25, 2012, 08:59:15 pm by BillyStubbsTears »
Well this is a bit of a bugger int it?

I've long worried that Ryan is way overly sensitive about small amounts of criticism. He's regularly taken issue with a tiny minority when 99% of us think the man is a deity. Someone with his ear ought to remind him about the 99% and tell him to tell the 1% to swivel.

Then tell him to bloody well grow up.

Joke. Withdrawn m'Lud.

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Re: Four directors resign.
« Reply #119 on January 25, 2012, 09:00:09 pm by dickos1 »
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Why so you could revell in the misery and harm the likes of you have done to this club?

You might think your funny with your outlandish, I'll informed comments but i really hope you accept your part in what has just happened. You really do disgust me.


Get a grip. It wasn't me that sacked SO'D and embarked on an adventure into fantasy land.


SOD has gone and the Mckay experiment is happening. Just accept it and stop your constant bleating.

JR is a legend and personally he could sell all the squad and replace them with the Belles and I would still think that. We 'fans' have no divine right to have a club in the Championship or expect JR to spend his hard earned cash on keeping us here when we won't part with £27 of our hard earned cash.


IMO the real scapegoat in all this is Terry Bramall. A guy with incredible wealth who months ago decided to no invest any more. Just why was he on the board in the first place. I made a comparison at the beginning of the season to him and a normal season ticket holder. With his then yearly investment, in percentage terms, it didn't even equal to our cheapest season ticket.


And why are you questioning his right to be on the board if JR isn't? I believe he was on the board because JR asked him to be. If you bothered to do any research you will find that he does a lot of work with community programmes, arts development, supported housing projects, He probably thinks now that his incredible wealth is better used in those areas than for the benefit of the ungrateful and questioning 'supporters' of DRFC.

Among all the proverbs which have so far been trotted out on this thread why has no-one put 'don't bite the hand that feeds you' because this is exactly what has happened whether you like it or not.


I'm questioning it, because I feel questions need to be asked, especially with his sudden withdrawel of funding which was never explained. If you are deluded enough to think we shouldn't ask questions just because it might piss off JR then you really need to wake up and smell the coffee.
At the end of the day, I pay my £27 week in week out. The going on at board level this season have been suspicious to say the least, from the withdrawel of funds from Bramall, SOD's sacking 48 hours after JR said on local radio he was going nowhere. The involvement of Willie Mckay and a sudden influx of \"big name\" players. And this is before we get onto the matter of relegation.

John Ryan has done wonders at this club. But does that mean we should not question anything that ever happens at DRFC while he is at the helm? Just plod on with complete ignorance and pretend that everything is okay?


I think we can question it course we can, but it's when we get answers and then people don't accept his answers, that I think is taking it too far. You have had answers to all those points you raised other than the bramall saga. But yet your still talking about it months down the line. Which means you don't trust or believe jr which is wrong in my opinion

 

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