Has grant mcann ran out of credit ?

[Draytonian III]

Why should we know what goes on at Cantley Park , it’s a place of work, you can’t walk into any,film set, music study,engineering work or factory because you fancy a look around. Football is business, you don’t let competition know what you’re up to. Remember all that spy gate stuff with Leeds and Derby

[scawsby steve]

I dont get this part of not recruited well.

Just because every player hasn't blown the world apart.

It's like you all expect each player to play to the top of their form every game and we then win promotion.

We have made great strides on and off the pitch, we are building. It might be slightly disappointing that a hope of mid table ish may not happen, but I dont think we are that far from it.

We have had great cup days / runs and 1 game from Wembley.

I dont know what people want from a club where nobody can be arsed to turn up from the city.
Fans that over moan and get on at the players in some case in a rather disgusting way.

For me our fanbase is one of our major downfalls.

More positive vibe, support of the players, a city that turns up and I think you wont be far off all getting what you want.

Is it really the clubs fault? Personally I think the club is let down from the support of the city, which would give revenues, I think supporters dont understand the flux and building stage we are in.... just players play brilliant football or you are rubbish mentality.

They are already losing millions trying to sustain the position and give to the fans and struggling to get the support from football manager wanna be.

Going through the days of not knowing if the club was going to be here at all was probably an eye opener and a growing up moment for me, years ago.

And before anyone replies with its a forum, you can still talk about football without just ever saying all the players are rubbish.

Mccann stays, keep building, its a silly conversation. Further success will come in time with our current regime.

Long winded post that basically says nothing. Just someone moaning about people moaning.

[DonnyBazR0ver]

Why should we know what goes on at Cantley Park , it’s a place of work, you can’t walk into any,film set, music study,engineering work or factory because you fancy a look around. Football is business, you don’t let competition know what you’re up to. Remember all that spy gate stuff with Leeds and Derby

Totally agree. That's beyond fan privilege so I'm not saying anything different however there has to be some accountability and I guess ultimately it's McCanns responsibility which he's never shied away from. It's up to TB to explore that with McCann if and when he thinks it necessary.

[mpc123]

I dont get this part of not recruited well.

Just because every player hasn't blown the world apart.

It's like you all expect each player to play to the top of their form every game and we then win promotion.

We have made great strides on and off the pitch, we are building. It might be slightly disappointing that a hope of mid table ish may not happen, but I dont think we are that far from it.

We have had great cup days / runs and 1 game from Wembley.

I dont know what people want from a club where nobody can be arsed to turn up from the city.
Fans that over moan and get on at the players in some case in a rather disgusting way.

For me our fanbase is one of our major downfalls.

More positive vibe, support of the players, a city that turns up and I think you wont be far off all getting what you want.

Is it really the clubs fault? Personally I think the club is let down from the support of the city, which would give revenues, I think supporters dont understand the flux and building stage we are in.... just players play brilliant football or you are rubbish mentality.

They are already losing millions trying to sustain the position and give to the fans and struggling to get the support from football manager wanna be.

Going through the days of not knowing if the club was going to be here at all was probably an eye opener and a growing up moment for me, years ago.

And before anyone replies with its a forum, you can still talk about football without just ever saying all the players are rubbish.

Mccann stays, keep building, its a silly conversation. Further success will come in time with our current regime.

Long winded post that basically says nothing. Just someone moaning about people moaning.

Proves the point yet again... well done. It says a hell of alot if you are willing to listen.

[Fal]

I dont get this part of not recruited well.

Just because every player hasn't blown the world apart.

It's like you all expect each player to play to the top of their form every game and we then win promotion.

We have made great strides on and off the pitch, we are building. It might be slightly disappointing that a hope of mid table ish may not happen, but I dont think we are that far from it.

We have had great cup days / runs and 1 game from Wembley.

I dont know what people want from a club where nobody can be arsed to turn up from the city.
Fans that over moan and get on at the players in some case in a rather disgusting way.

For me our fanbase is one of our major downfalls.

More positive vibe, support of the players, a city that turns up and I think you wont be far off all getting what you want.

Is it really the clubs fault? Personally I think the club is let down from the support of the city, which would give revenues, I think supporters dont understand the flux and building stage we are in.... just players play brilliant football or you are rubbish mentality.

They are already losing millions trying to sustain the position and give to the fans and struggling to get the support from football manager wanna be.

Going through the days of not knowing if the club was going to be here at all was probably an eye opener and a growing up moment for me, years ago.

And before anyone replies with its a forum, you can still talk about football without just ever saying all the players are rubbish.

Mccann stays, keep building, its a silly conversation. Further success will come in time with our current regime.

Long winded post that basically says nothing. Just someone moaning about people moaning.

Steve, for me Mpcs post was spot on.

[ForsolongaRover]

I dont get this part of not recruited well.

Just because every player hasn't blown the world apart.

It's like you all expect each player to play to the top of their form every game and we then win promotion.

We have made great strides on and off the pitch, we are building. It might be slightly disappointing that a hope of mid table ish may not happen, but I dont think we are that far from it.

We have had great cup days / runs and 1 game from Wembley.

I dont know what people want from a club where nobody can be arsed to turn up from the city.
Fans that over moan and get on at the players in some case in a rather disgusting way.

For me our fanbase is one of our major downfalls.

More positive vibe, support of the players, a city that turns up and I think you wont be far off all getting what you want.

Is it really the clubs fault? Personally I think the club is let down from the support of the city, which would give revenues, I think supporters dont understand the flux and building stage we are in.... just players play brilliant football or you are rubbish mentality.

They are already losing millions trying to sustain the position and give to the fans and struggling to get the support from football manager wanna be.

Going through the days of not knowing if the club was going to be here at all was probably an eye opener and a growing up moment for me, years ago.

And before anyone replies with its a forum, you can still talk about football without just ever saying all the players are rubbish.

Mccann stays, keep building, its a silly conversation. Further success will come in time with our current regime.

Long winded post that basically says nothing. Just someone moaning about people moaning.

Proves the point yet again... well done. It says a hell of alot if you are willing to listen.

I think you mean listen and agree with everything you say and which no doubt you will keep repeating at length until you have worn down all opposing views.

It is rather novel to blame the Doncaster public. Do you really expect the casual observer to look past the fact that the team was regularly losing for the last 3 months of last year? They are not likely to rationalise performances as elaborately as you do to dress everything up so attractively. Regular winning is the key. Thousands of words are no substitute.

[mpc123]

Too many words, your saying?

All those words and you took out of it something I haven't said. Haha.

Nobody has to listen to me at all. It's a football forum, remember!!!!

[mpc123]

I dont get this part of not recruited well.

Just because every player hasn't blown the world apart.

It's like you all expect each player to play to the top of their form every game and we then win promotion.

We have made great strides on and off the pitch, we are building. It might be slightly disappointing that a hope of mid table ish may not happen, but I dont think we are that far from it.

We have had great cup days / runs and 1 game from Wembley.

I dont know what people want from a club where nobody can be arsed to turn up from the city.
Fans that over moan and get on at the players in some case in a rather disgusting way.

For me our fanbase is one of our major downfalls.

More positive vibe, support of the players, a city that turns up and I think you wont be far off all getting what you want.

Is it really the clubs fault? Personally I think the club is let down from the support of the city, which would give revenues, I think supporters dont understand the flux and building stage we are in.... just players play brilliant football or you are rubbish mentality.

They are already losing millions trying to sustain the position and give to the fans and struggling to get the support from football manager wanna be.

Going through the days of not knowing if the club was going to be here at all was probably an eye opener and a growing up moment for me, years ago.

And before anyone replies with its a forum, you can still talk about football without just ever saying all the players are rubbish.

Mccann stays, keep building, its a silly conversation. Further success will come in time with our current regime.

Long winded post that basically says nothing. Just someone moaning about people moaning.

Proves the point yet again... well done. It says a hell of alot if you are willing to listen.

I think you mean listen and agree with everything you say and which no doubt you will keep repeating at length until you have worn down all opposing views.

It is rather novel to blame the Doncaster public. Do you really expect the casual observer to look past the fact that the team was regularly losing for the last 3 months of last year? They are not likely to rationalise performances as elaborately as you do to dress everything up so attractively. Regular winning is the key. Thousands of words are no substitute.

Regualr winning is the key.... oh well now you pointed it out, it's that easy, every club is top of the league now

[LincolnDonny]

Do you mean league 1 player for hanlan?

Crew, TLT, both excellent signings, that every supporter celebrated.
The fact they haven’t worked out this time as well as the first time is surely down to the player.
We know they’re both very good players who will no doubt play at a higher level than this.
Crew especially seemed to turn up here with a poor attitude this season,
It’s too early to suggest grehan is a bad signing for me, and I think Middleton, Gotts, o Riordan have been good signings, add to that haks, Clark, Byrne, Lee, Robinson I can’t see how this years recruitment can be described as poorly as people seem to be making out

I did mean that with Hanlan thanks, have corrected now.

What supporters thought about Crew and TLT is totally irrelevant, they’ve proved to be poor signings and some of the responsibility of that has to sit with the people who signed them.

The fact you say Middleton has been a good signing just shows that we see things completely differently. He’s hasn’t played much and when he has he has barely contributed. It’s not as though he’s being kept on the bench by someone playing out of their skin either, for the most part he’s been competing with an underwhelming Gibson. For me it’s mad to call him a “good signing”.

.        Middleton looks well overweight for a start so has not got to anything like his potential. Gibson mostly just couldn’t give a damn unless it’s against a side he previously played for. I thought Maxwell would have moved up a notch but is poor in the tackle. Crew just didn’t seem interested and wouldn’t be surprised if he expected to go to a championship team. TLT has not had any motivation last season and looks like he’s still under a cloud. Some of the the central defenders need to learn how to head a ball as they seem to go way up in the air in  any direction and mostly to an opponent. Sadly Billy has come to the end of his career except for the rare occasions he hit the target which is mostly mistimed. The backbone of a team tends to be the most important but Grant seems to think loans are the way to go which is where he falls short. Every time we have a player being interviewed it’s like they are saying the same thing which is we are all ready to step up when called upon for the team. The fight for staying in the team has been lost by the changing of the team even when nothing to do with injuries. Grant needs to look back to how he felt when left out of a team in his playing days I am sure he would have been having a quiet word to his gaffer about that. It seems a few players are being told to play out of position which again plays with the minds of those. Some substitutions have not made sense and even wrecked the flow and sure someone has a stat about goals conceded after the making of the said substitutes.

[mpc123]

Do you mean league 1 player for hanlan?

Crew, TLT, both excellent signings, that every supporter celebrated.
The fact they haven’t worked out this time as well as the first time is surely down to the player.
We know they’re both very good players who will no doubt play at a higher level than this.
Crew especially seemed to turn up here with a poor attitude this season,
It’s too early to suggest grehan is a bad signing for me, and I think Middleton, Gotts, o Riordan have been good signings, add to that haks, Clark, Byrne, Lee, Robinson I can’t see how this years recruitment can be described as poorly as people seem to be making out

I did mean that with Hanlan thanks, have corrected now.

What supporters thought about Crew and TLT is totally irrelevant, they’ve proved to be poor signings and some of the responsibility of that has to sit with the people who signed them.

The fact you say Middleton has been a good signing just shows that we see things completely differently. He’s hasn’t played much and when he has he has barely contributed. It’s not as though he’s being kept on the bench by someone playing out of their skin either, for the most part he’s been competing with an underwhelming Gibson. For me it’s mad to call him a “good signing”.

.        Middleton looks well overweight for a start so has not got to anything like his potential. Gibson mostly just couldn’t give a damn unless it’s against a side he previously played for. I thought Maxwell would have moved up a notch but is poor in the tackle. Crew just didn’t seem interested and wouldn’t be surprised if he expected to go to a championship team. TLT has not had any motivation last season and looks like he’s still under a cloud. Some of the the central defenders need to learn how to head a ball as they seem to go way up in the air in  any direction and mostly to an opponent. Sadly Billy has come to the end of his career except for the rare occasions he hit the target which is mostly mistimed. The backbone of a team tends to be the most important but Grant seems to think loans are the way to go which is where he falls short. Every time we have a player being interviewed it’s like they are saying the same thing which is we are all ready to step up when called upon for the team. The fight for staying in the team has been lost by the changing of the team even when nothing to do with injuries. Grant needs to look back to how he felt when left out of a team in his playing days I am sure he would have been having a quiet word to his gaffer about that. It seems a few players are being told to play out of position which again plays with the minds of those. Some substitutions have not made sense and even wrecked the flow and sure someone has a stat about goals conceded after the making of the said substitutes.

I agree mostly with that, apart from the changing of the team.

He is damned if he does damned if he doesn't. Whats the point in having a back room staff working all week to check out the opposition and for example says they do x so grant changes a player to hopefully  combat that. Fundamentally I get all your points though. Hanlan got slagged off, Mccann bought him back into a bit of form, now some ask where is he.

Maxwell has been a unsung hero over the years he has been here, but this year senior seems s to have really come on again, more than Maxwell. What do you do? That's foorball for every manager, every club, not just Mccann / doncaster rovers.

Funny I get a bit frustrated with Gibson and thought he was lazy, I think he just runs like he can't be bothered, not that he isn't bothered, im not sure.

Support them all, support the club, keep going. The club is heading in the right direction.

[Glyn_Wigley]

Says the person who's had three days to work out his original cock-ups and still can't manage it!

Seems my post from this morning has been deleted, but ill repost this.

You and pdx are resorting to ad homenim attacks, to try and divert attention from the substance of the discussion.
Pathetic really, given I was only posing a legitimate question

I honestly didn't give a shit about it until you started your pathetic 'say it to my face' bleatings.

I'm using the word pathetic as it appears to be your word of the week.

[graingrover]

Can we have the identities of the 10 % please lol !

[Glyn_Wigley]

Can we have the identities of the 10 % please lol !

Probably all of Mr Castrato's aliases!

[dickos1]

I dont get this part of not recruited well.

Just because every player hasn't blown the world apart.

It's like you all expect each player to play to the top of their form every game and we then win promotion.

We have made great strides on and off the pitch, we are building. It might be slightly disappointing that a hope of mid table ish may not happen, but I dont think we are that far from it.

We have had great cup days / runs and 1 game from Wembley.

I dont know what people want from a club where nobody can be arsed to turn up from the city.
Fans that over moan and get on at the players in some case in a rather disgusting way.

For me our fanbase is one of our major downfalls.

More positive vibe, support of the players, a city that turns up and I think you wont be far off all getting what you want.

Is it really the clubs fault? Personally I think the club is let down from the support of the city, which would give revenues, I think supporters dont understand the flux and building stage we are in.... just players play brilliant football or you are rubbish mentality.

They are already losing millions trying to sustain the position and give to the fans and struggling to get the support from football manager wanna be.

Going through the days of not knowing if the club was going to be here at all was probably an eye opener and a growing up moment for me, years ago.

And before anyone replies with its a forum, you can still talk about football without just ever saying all the players are rubbish.

Mccann stays, keep building, its a silly conversation. Further success will come in time with our current regime.

Long winded post that basically says nothing. Just someone moaning about people moaning.

Proves the point yet again... well done. It says a hell of alot if you are willing to listen.

I think you mean listen and agree with everything you say and which no doubt you will keep repeating at length until you have worn down all opposing views.

It is rather novel to blame the Doncaster public. Do you really expect the casual observer to look past the fact that the team was regularly losing for the last 3 months of last year? They are not likely to rationalise performances as elaborately as you do to dress everything up so attractively. Regular winning is the key. Thousands of words are no substitute.

Regular winning you say.
We won very regularly for 21 out of the last 24 months. Attendances didn’t suddenly jump up during that time.
I doubt there’ll be that many teams who have won more games than us over the last 24 months

[dickos1]

I dont get this part of not recruited well.

Just because every player hasn't blown the world apart.

It's like you all expect each player to play to the top of their form every game and we then win promotion.

We have made great strides on and off the pitch, we are building. It might be slightly disappointing that a hope of mid table ish may not happen, but I dont think we are that far from it.

We have had great cup days / runs and 1 game from Wembley.

I dont know what people want from a club where nobody can be arsed to turn up from the city.
Fans that over moan and get on at the players in some case in a rather disgusting way.

For me our fanbase is one of our major downfalls.

More positive vibe, support of the players, a city that turns up and I think you wont be far off all getting what you want.

Is it really the clubs fault? Personally I think the club is let down from the support of the city, which would give revenues, I think supporters dont understand the flux and building stage we are in.... just players play brilliant football or you are rubbish mentality.

They are already losing millions trying to sustain the position and give to the fans and struggling to get the support from football manager wanna be.

Going through the days of not knowing if the club was going to be here at all was probably an eye opener and a growing up moment for me, years ago.

And before anyone replies with its a forum, you can still talk about football without just ever saying all the players are rubbish.

Mccann stays, keep building, its a silly conversation. Further success will come in time with our current regime.

Long winded post that basically says nothing. Just someone moaning about people moaning.

Proves the point yet again... well done. It says a hell of alot if you are willing to listen.

I think you mean listen and agree with everything you say and which no doubt you will keep repeating at length until you have worn down all opposing views.

It is rather novel to blame the Doncaster public. Do you really expect the casual observer to look past the fact that the team was regularly losing for the last 3 months of last year? They are not likely to rationalise performances as elaborately as you do to dress everything up so attractively. Regular winning is the key. Thousands of words are no substitute.

Regular winning you say.
We won very regularly for 21 out of the last 24 months. Attendances didn’t suddenly jump up during that time.
I doubt there’ll be that many teams who have won more games than us over the last 24 months

Had a quick look at this and if you only look at league games we have won 46 out of 92 games over the last 24 months.
If you included the cup games the percentage would jump up higher,
But we’ve won 50% of all our league games over the last 24 months if that isn’t winning regularly then I don’t know what is.

[Rupee92ONLY]

We’ve had a good couple of seasons. Only the present season matters though in terms of managers job security etc surely? Said it before but you don’t get extra points added to your tally at the end of the season for previous achievements.

Here’s a question… If (after being given x millions extra investment) after 3 seasons under McCann, we are still in L2, is that considered a failure despite a promotion in between?

[mpc123]

Why choose league 2, its like your hoping it happens. We could still hit the play offs (im not saying we will).

This is what Im trying to say about the mentality it is so negative.

What Mccann had to do when he got to the club was change that mentality internally.

If you can change the fans too, you have a real chance.

Moaning at every pass, every performance.

Moaning about the tannoy.

Its crazy and the club must feel like no matter what they do they are damned or waiting for the next moan.

The fans need to have a positive atmosphere or its going to be 10 times harder to be successful.

Of course unless if a negative place is a comfortable place. Every club are far more likely to fail at promotion, no matter who you are. There are only 3 places.

Our average attendance puts us 13th, we are only 6 points from it and in much better form, playing better than pre xmas.

I dont understand the negativity, around performance / budget.

Your asking every manager to come and perform a miracle.

Just get behind the players and team with positivity, like always has been said, its the 12th man, thats what difference it can make.