The 08-?? Depression

[mjdgreg]

Saying that we should just take the money off the rich and give it to the poor is such a simplistic argument. It may have escaped everybody's notice but we live in a global economy. Start to pay the brightest and best in this country peanuts and they will up sticks and go elsewhere then we would really see the shit hit the fan.

Pay peanuts and you get monkeys. If you're not happy with your wages do something about it yourself ffs. There is no bar on anyone starting their own businesses. With a lot of people it just means stopping believing that the Government has a duty to look after them from cradle to grave.

[mjdgreg]

mjdgreg - all this talk of demographics, the need to cut spending further etc....what's your solution to this little tester:

We need to spend less on the very old. We now have the ludicrous situation where old people are kept alive for far too long with a shocking quality of life and they cost an absolute bleeding fortune.

This situation is going to get worse the more the population ages. Its not fair on the young. Old people should be put out of their misery once their quality of life is very poor. Religious nutters have got a lot to answer for.

[BillyStubbsTears]

Dum-de-Dum

That "astonishing evidence" Mick?

You're doing plenty of posting so surely you've got time to enlighten us all?

[Filo]

mjdgreg - all this talk of demographics, the need to cut spending further etc....what's your solution to this little tester:

We need to spend less on the very old. We now have the ludicrous situation where old people are kept alive for far too long with a shocking quality of life and they cost an absolute bleeding fortune.

This situation is going to get worse the more the population ages. Its not fair on the young. Old people should be put out of their misery once their quality of life is very poor. Religious nutters have got a lot to answer for.

Ok Adolf you propose to murder the ageing population, some of whom fought for your right to free speech?

You really are a fruitcake, people like you should never be allowed anywhere near a ballot box!

[mjdgreg]

Ok Adolf you propose to murder the ageing population, some of whom fought for your right to free speech?

You really are a fruitcake, people like you should never be allowed anywhere near a ballot box!

You are obviously quite old or heading that way. It may surprise you to know that a lot of these people want to be put out of their misery. You need to take a trip around a hospital ward full of old dying people. The last time I did I heard one old lady screaming at the top of her voice 'just let me die'.

I'd much rather money was spent on children to give them a good quality of life than on a decrepit old fogey who is only being kept alive at enormous cost just because of outdated religious beliefs. Unfortunately the young don't have a vote so end up picking up the bill.

[BillyStubbsTears]

Filo

Fascinating insight into his mentality int it?

I put it down to his shock at losing his bet on Romney. He's let his guard slip as a result (he's also apparently lost his memory about that "astonishing evidence an all...)

Give him a few days and he'll revert back to his usual stance of copying and pasting economically illiterate Hayekian blogs.

[mjdgreg]

Billy, you're just annoyed that in all the acres of verbiage you spouted about Japan you never once mentioned demographics. pmsl.

[wilts rover]

Wilts

The WWII effect is fascinating isn't it. That REALLY was a time when we were all in it together. And the 30-odd years post war kept that deal. No longer was it acceptable for the rich to milk the system and the poor get what was left.

And then came Maggie, and Ronnie. And then Blair & Mandelson, the latter saying that he was "intensely relaxed" about a few getting obscenely rich.

Look where it took us eh?

The ultimate irony being that Mandleson was the grandson of Herbert Morrison - one of the main architects of the labour policy in 1945 which lead to this period of social awareness/equalisation within society.

[Glyn_Wigley]

Billy, you're just annoyed that in all the acres of verbiage you spouted about Japan you never once mentioned demographics. pmsl.

In that case, quote the evidence he's asking for and show him up.

[mjdgreg]

In that case, quote the evidence he's asking for and show him up.

Look, I'm fed up of showing him up. I do have a heart you know and feel he has had enough punishment for now.

[BillyStubbsTears]

Amazing how this rarely seen magnanimous side of you emerges every time you are shown to be full of bullshit, and are cornered by your own lying Mick.

Every

Single

Time.

[Filo]

I`m sure BST can take more humiliation from you!


Go on reveal the evidence, make him squirm with embarassment!

[mjdgreg]

I`m sure BST can take more humiliation from you!


Go on reveal the evidence, make him squirm with embarrassment!

With friends like you, who needs enemies. Poor old Billy must feel like a punch bag after all the batterings I've given him. I refuse to rise to the bait and am sticking to my guns. He needs a rest to calm down so I'm going to give him one.

It's about time one of you other lefties stepped forward and entered the battle. It's so unfair of you all to just leave it to Billy.

[Filo]

I`m sure BST can take more humiliation from you!


Go on reveal the evidence, make him squirm with embarrassment!

With friends like you, who needs enemies. Poor old Billy must feel like a punch bag after all the batterings I've given him. I refuse to rise to the bait and am sticking to my guns. He needs a rest to calm down so I'm going to give him one.

It's about time one of you other lefties stepped forward and entered the battle. It's so unfair of you all to just leave it to Billy.

Finish him off I say, stick the knife in while you can, he`s probably approaching the cut off age for your pensioner murdering programme any way!

[Glyn_Wigley]

In that case, quote the evidence he's asking for and show him up.

Look, I'm fed up of showing him up. I do have a heart you know and feel he has had enough punishment for now.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KAp9sFVdERQ

[MachoMadness]

I`m sure BST can take more humiliation from you!


Go on reveal the evidence, make him squirm with embarrassment!

With friends like you, who needs enemies. Poor old Billy must feel like a punch bag after all the batterings I've given him. I refuse to rise to the bait and am sticking to my guns. He needs a rest to calm down so I'm going to give him one.

It's about time one of you other lefties stepped forward and entered the battle. It's so unfair of you all to just leave it to Billy.

<a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FopyRHHlt3M" target="_blank">http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FopyRHHlt3M</a>

[BobG]

I was talking, this afternoon, to a guy who works at a rather secret, yet very large, Government place not too far away from where I live. He was telling me what an unpleasant place it is these days: people being pushed out for reasons that would have caused a riot 30 years ago; people not being replaced so those that remain having to do more and more and more - and who, when they make a mistake consequent having too much to do, are then also pushed out as 'not up to the job'; pay rises, even inflation linked ones, being a dim and distant memory; pension rules being re-written, and not to the advantage of the employees. Now, this all sort of reminds me of where I work. A very large telecoms company you might have heard of. And that, in turn, makes me wonder that if these behaviours are so necessary to ensure economic survival, then something, somewhere, has gone badly wrong.

I'll offer a few simple suggestions: why do we need 2 monstrous great aircraft carriers? Why do we need a replacement for Trident? Why do we insist we are the world bobby following Mr USA's Sgt in charge of everything? There's a lot of data out there pointing to Britain sliding, ever more rapidly, to being a third world nation. Look it up. It's scary as anything. Look up UK's academic standards and world ranking. Look up the UK's health service standards and world ranking. You are better off having your eyes, and your teeth, attended to in Thailand than you are here ffs! Cuba has a better health service and a better education record than we do! Everywhere in western Europe,  (Belgium excepted) has better quality roads and a better quality road system than we do. Just about the entire planet has a more useful rail system than we do. Yet all that 1980's revolutionary fervour was supposed to create more wealth to invest in 'the nation'. What happened? oh I know. Tax cuts for the rich wasn't it? And the buffoons in Downing Street continue to posture as if Britain matters. They continue to bleed the people who could do something about this slide so they can justify their own dogma and their own bank accounts.  You only need one example to prove that: Sheffield Forgemasters. The shadows of that cow, and that cowboy, are still ruining this nation today.

Jesus Mick. Grow up ffs.

BobG

[mjdgreg]

I was talking, this afternoon, to a guy who works at a rather secret, yet very large, Government place not too far away from where I live. He was telling me what an unpleasant place it is these days: people being pushed out for reasons that would have caused a riot 30 years ago; people not being replaced so those that remain having to do more and more and more - and who, when they make a mistake consequent having too much to do, are then also pushed out as 'not up to the job'; pay rises, even inflation linked ones, being a dim and distant memory; pension rules being re-written, and not to the advantage of the employees. Now, this all sort of reminds me of where I work. A very large telecoms company you might have heard of. And that, in turn, makes me wonder that if these behaviours are so necessary to ensure economic survival, then something, somewhere, has gone badly wrong.

I'll offer a few simple suggestions: why do we need 2 monstrous great aircraft carriers? Why do we need a replacement for Trident? Why do we insist we are the world bobby following Mr USA's Sgt in charge of everything? There's a lot of data out there pointing to Britain sliding, ever more rapidly, to being a third world nation. Look it up. It's scary as anything. Look up UK's academic standards and world ranking. Look up the UK's health service standards and world ranking. You are better off having your eyes, and your teeth, attended to in Thailand than you are here ffs! Cuba has a better health service and a better education record than we do! Everywhere in western Europe,  (Belgium excepted) has better quality roads and a better quality road system than we do. Just about the entire planet has a more useful rail system than we do. Yet all that 1980's revolutionary fervour was supposed to create more wealth to invest in 'the nation'. What happened? oh I know. Tax cuts for the rich wasn't it? And the buffoons in Downing Street continue to posture as if Britain matters. They continue to bleed the people who could do something about this slide so they can justify their own dogma and their own bank accounts.  You only need one example to prove that: Sheffield Forgemasters. The shadows of that cow, and that cowboy, are still ruining this nation today.

Jesus Mick. Grow up ffs.

BobG

BobG, as far as I and many others are concerned, you are a true legend. I totally respect your views and no matter how much you may disagree with my views or denigrate me, I will always have ultimate respect for you.

What you have done for DRFC in the past, marks you out as a very special person indeed, and no amount of abuse you may throw at me will ever change my view of what an extraordinary person you are.

You are obviously (like me) a very intelligent person whose heart is in the right place. I too used to be a leftie, until I saw the light. Lefties think with their hearts and not with their brains. I now think with my brain not with my heart no matter how unpopular it makes me.

The thing is, working in the public sector is an absolute piece of piss compared to working in the private sector. There are exceptions like nurses and police. But for the most part, working in the public sector is a right cushy number. If this is now changing, then all I would say to theses people is welcome to the real world. The country can no longer afford for you to take the piss, so it is time for you to harden up and get real.

Now it may surprise you to know that I agree with nearly everything in your second paragraph. You have obviously read me the wrong way. We don't need 2 monstrous aircraft carriers (Gordon authorised these to keep Labour voters in jobs). Trident should be ditched. We should tell the USA to f... off.

Why are we sliding towards becoming a third world nation? I blame thirteen years (yes thirteen) of Labour running the country in a totally incompetent way. When Tony Blair came to power he said the priority was 'Education, education and education. What a pathetic job Labour made of this priority despite spending vast sums of money.

I know how shit our health service is. I also know that Labour spent an absolute fortune on it. Another example of total incompetence. Our roads and rail are also shit. Whose fault is it? Of course it's Labour's. The current Government is just trying to clear up the monumental mess Labour left behind. Don't get me wrong. They are nearly as incompetent as Labour. At least they don't think spending money you haven't got is the solution.

[mjdgreg]

Finish him off I say, stick the knife in while you can, he`s probably approaching the cut off age for your pensioner murdering programme any way!

The more Billy reads your posts, the more he must be thinking that you don't like him. Just because (like me ) you think he is an easy target, it doesn't mean this should be taken advantage of.

I have realised that I have made him look stupid and have no further wish to inflict further damage to his reputation. Until I sorted him out, all you lefties obviously thought the bloke knew what he was on about. You have to realise that it is not easy for someone with an ego nearly as big as mine to be made to look so daft. Give the bloke a break and let him lick his wounds.

He's a fighter and will be back for more. He just needs time to recover. I respect his never say die attitude in the face of overwhelming odds and am happy to give him some time to lick his wounds and once more come at me again when he feels he is ready. Take your time Billy. I can wait.

[Filo]

Finish him off I say, stick the knife in while you can, he`s probably approaching the cut off age for your pensioner murdering programme any way!

The more Billy reads your posts, the more he must be thinking that you don't like him. Just because (like me ) you think he is an easy target, it doesn't mean this should be taken advantage of.

I have realised that I have made him look stupid and have no further wish to inflict further damage to his reputation. Until I sorted him out, all you lefties obviously thought the bloke knew what he was on about. You have to realise that it is not easy for someone with an ego nearly as big as mine to be made to look so daft. Give the bloke a break and let him lick his wounds.

He's a fighter and will be back for more. He just needs time to recover. I respect his never say die attitude in the face of overwhelming odds and am happy to give him some time to lick his wounds and once more come at me again when he feels he is ready. Take your time Billy. I can wait.

I wonder if the wait will be as long as the wait for this astonishing evidence?

[BillyStubbsTears]

Still here Micky boy. I'm just a bit busy between foreign trips.  You know how it goes. Globe trotting, drumming up business to help the country out of its hole.

How are the gee-gees going?

Anyway, when I read this

I have realised that I have made him look stupid

I got to wondering whether you had found some astonishing evidence to bring you to this realisation?

[Filo]

Still here Micky boy. I'm just a bit busy between foreign trips.  You know how it goes. Globe trotting, drumming up business to help the country out of its hole.

How are the gee-gees going?

Anyway, when I read this

I have realised that I have made him look stupid

I got to wondering whether you had found some astonishing evidence to bring you to this realisation?

Come on Mick, he`s asking for it, show him once and for all who the Daddy is!

[BillyStubbsTears]

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PS. I know where the original data is...