iron lady gone

[Snods Shinpad 2]

Thatchers only been in Hell three hours, and already she's closed down three furnaces.

Multi-lolz

[Barmby Rover]

We will laugh,
the day that Thatcher dies,
even though we know it's not right,
we will dance and sing all night!

Thanks Hefner what a great song!

[wilts rover]

Wasn't it labour who first started closing the pits in the 70s?

Pits like other industries come and go. The problem with Thatcher was that it was ideologicaly rather than economically driven - and she didn't do anything to bring employment in their place thus dooming those communities, and the steelworks, and the shipyards....

[Filo]

On the day the blitz on the disabled got under way and in these times of cutbacks and austerity, I find it despicable that the Government will throw tax payers money at a Ceremonial Funeral for the bitch. Throw her down a mineshaft and be done with it!

[Sprotyrover]

Wasn't it labour who first started closing the pits in the 70s?

Pits like other industries come and go. The problem with Thatcher was that it was ideologicaly rather than economically driven - and she didn't do anything to bring employment in their place thus dooming those communities, and the steelworks, and the shipyards....

Spot on She let a lot of people suffer because they lived in labour heartland.
Speaking to some ex Pit Moggies there were a few Pits shut down that were viable Darfield for one.but She was happy to buy cheap imported coal from places like Columbia where it was mined by 10 year old kids.
Not very forward thinking of her really.

 But I admire her for her handling the Falklands crisis a Great War leader,can't think of any other Brit to match her.

[glosterred]

Wasn't it labour who first started closing the pits in the 70s?

Pits like other industries come and go. The problem with Thatcher was that it was ideologicaly rather than economically driven - and she didn't do anything to bring employment in their place thus dooming those communities, and the steelworks, and the shipyards....

I was under the impression that most of the pits were in fact losing money hand of fist and that is why she wanted them closed, therefore it was economically driven - but it became ideologically driven when Scargill foolishly challenged her. Lets not forget, the miners would have probably won, if Scargill had gone and got the vote from his union members instead of going into the strike without a mandate from his members.

[PDX_Rover]

Her "legacy" is that she ripped the heart out of our manufacturing base (as did Reagan in the States) and the country has never been the same since. My Uncle and my cousin were both miners living in Moorends and communities such as that and countless others lost the central employer. Thatcher's government also sold off just about every asset that Britain had to the highest bidder.

No Prime Minister has driven the wedge into Britain more than Thatcher. Coal, steel, auto industry... all f**ked.

We moved from a manufacturing nation to a service industry.

Yes, you can debate about Scargill and the unions holding the country to ransom, but the long term damage of the Thatcher era still reverberates. Poll tax? The criminial justice bill? The Falkands War (the biggest distraction ever from the shit going on domestically - a tactic Bush would use after 9/11 to justify going into Iraq while liberties were taken away under the "Patriot Act").

Thatcher was the beginning of the end.

[Filo]

Wasn't it labour who first started closing the pits in the 70s?

Pits like other industries come and go. The problem with Thatcher was that it was ideologicaly rather than economically driven - and she didn't do anything to bring employment in their place thus dooming those communities, and the steelworks, and the shipyards....

I was under the impression that most of the pits were in fact losing money hand of fist and that is why she wanted them closed, therefore it was economically driven - but it became ideologically driven when Scargill foolishly challenged her. Lets not forget, the miners would have probably won, if Scargill had gone and got the vote from his union members instead of going into the strike without a mandate from his members.

It became idealogical when Heaths Government fell in 1974, Joe Gormly was the NUM President then, when Thatcher became Tory Leader it was her sole ambition to destroy the Trade Unions, none of it was driven by economics!

[Jenny]

Anyone who revels in the death of another human being, ANY human being, needs to take a long hard look at themselves.

And that is all I am saying on this one.

She wasn't a human being.

[MrFrost]

Interesting the praise Tony Blair has for her.
Ed Milliband looked as if he hadn't even heard of her.

[glosterred]

Wasn't it labour who first started closing the pits in the 70s?

Pits like other industries come and go. The problem with Thatcher was that it was ideologicaly rather than economically driven - and she didn't do anything to bring employment in their place thus dooming those communities, and the steelworks, and the shipyards....

I was under the impression that most of the pits were in fact losing money hand of fist and that is why she wanted them closed, therefore it was economically driven - but it became ideologically driven when Scargill foolishly challenged her. Lets not forget, the miners would have probably won, if Scargill had gone and got the vote from his union members instead of going into the strike without a mandate from his members.

It became idealogical when Heaths Government fell in 1974, Joe Gormly was the NUM President then, when Thatcher became Tory Leader it was her sole ambition to destroy the Trade Unions, none of it was driven by economics!

And after the winter of discontent they need to be be put back in their box to allow the elected government to run the country.

[streatham dave]

I can understand people having issues with celebrating someones death. I like many here saw her destructive powers first hand during the miners strike with the Army dressed as Police and police without numbers so they could get away with beating miners. The soup kitchens will stick in my mind forever but then again she didn't believe in society. Are people saying it is always inappropriate to celebrate someones death? I'm not placing Thatcher in the same league as Hitler but was it OK that people celebrated his death? Is it a sliding scale or never acceptable. Genuine question.

[IDM]

Anyone who revels in the death of another human being, ANY human being, needs to take a long hard look at themselves.

And that is all I am saying on this one.

She wasn't a human being.

Don't be silly FFS. 

She may have been someone who fills you with hatred but yes, she was still a human being.

[MrFrost]

Anyone who revels in the death of another human being, ANY human being, needs to take a long hard look at themselves.

And that is all I am saying on this one.

She wasn't a human being.

Don't be silly FFS. 

She may have been someone who fills you with hatred but yes, she was still a human being.

It would be interesting to see the country we live in today had none of her policies been implemented.

[IDM]

I can understand people having issues with celebrating someones death. I like many here saw her destructive powers first hand during the miners strike with the Army dressed as Police and police without numbers so they could get away with beating miners. The soup kitchens will stick in my mind forever but then again she didn't believe in society. Are people saying it is always inappropriate to celebrate someones death? I'm not placing Thatcher in the same league as Hitler but was it OK that people celebrated his death? Is it a sliding scale or never acceptable. Genuine question.

Dave, if it is someone like Saddam or Gaddaffi where the only way they will be removed from tyrannical power is when they die, then the celebration of death is more understandable especially if it leads to the end of their dictatorial regimes.

We live in a democracy and Maggie was gone from power for over 20 years, ousted by her own if you remember.

[streatham dave]

So IDM you are saying that celebrating some deaths are OK then. Gadaffi and Saddam did no harm to me or my family directly although my Brother did end up in Iraq because of our disputes with Saddam twice. Gadaffi split the people of Libya in much the same way as Thatcher did/does in UK. I have heard it suggested that both were killed due to our desire for cheap oil not for what they did to their own people. Also Gadaffi's idea of a single currency for Africa based on a gold standard had America shitting itself

[Filo]

I can understand people having issues with celebrating someones death. I like many here saw her destructive powers first hand during the miners strike with the Army dressed as Police and police without numbers so they could get away with beating miners. The soup kitchens will stick in my mind forever but then again she didn't believe in society. Are people saying it is always inappropriate to celebrate someones death? I'm not placing Thatcher in the same league as Hitler but was it OK that people celebrated his death? Is it a sliding scale or never acceptable. Genuine question.

Dave, if it is someone like Saddam or Gaddaffi where the only way they will be removed from tyrannical power is when they die, then the celebration of death is more understandable especially if it leads to the end of their dictatorial regimes.

We live in a democracy and Maggie was gone from power for over 20 years, ousted by her own if you remember.

Thatcher the staunch defender of democracy and best friends with General Pinochet, says all you need to know about the bitch!

[IDM]

So IDM you are saying that celebrating some deaths are OK then. Gadaffi and Saddam did no harm to me or my family directly although my Brother did end up in Iraq because of our disputes with Saddam twice. Gadaffi split the people of Libya in much the same way as Thatcher did/does in UK. I have heard it suggested that both were killed due to our desire for cheap oil not for what they did to their own people. Also Gadaffi's idea of a single currency for Africa based on a gold standard had America shitting itself

No I said "more understandable", aiming that comment at those in those countries who suffered most and have no alternative to remove them from power.

I would rather have seen these brought to justice, as Saddam was - to a degree.  I'd celebrate justice being done and dictatorships ending, rather than the death of an individual.

[MrFrost]

Well someone on here earlier made the very pertinent point that one should always remember that he was a mother to someone. It gave me pause for thought and made me reflect on whether my instinct to celebrate her death was misplaced.
















Then I remembered that her son is one of the most obnoxious excuses for a human being that this country has imposed on the worldliness the last 60 years so f*** the lot of 'em.

Bottoms up! Hic!

Like i've said, people mocking her death won't change the wrongs you perceive she has done. You can't rewrite the past, so enjoy your drink happy in the knowledge the same fate awaits you!

[BillyStubbsTears]

Frosty. I'm not mocking her death. I am celebrating it. Very different.

As a great PM once said, just rejoice in the news.

[streatham dave]

and Jimmy Savile. Also helped cover up with Hillsborough and covering up Pedophile activity of at least one of her ministers and previous PM Ted Heath.

[MrFrost]

Frosty. I'm not mocking her death. I am celebrating it. Very different.

As a great PM once said, just rejoice in the news.

Mocking, celebrating. Still doesn't alter her legacy.

[redwine]

Legacy?, c'mon Tory boy, elucidate.

As far as I can see any "legacy" has been dissipated over the intervening years.....and don't bring in council house sales into it. The biggest piece of asset stripping this country has seen. IMHO

[MartinB]

It would be interesting to see the country we live in today had none of her policies been implemented.
[/quote]

Oh yes because the UK is all rainbows and lollipops and the moment.

[redwine]

...and I'm torn tonight between a night of introspection, as my Dad died two years ago today.  Or a quiet celebratory drink.

As he used to say "do what you feel, not what you think other people think is right." I'm not a hypocrite so cheers and bottoms up.

[MrFrost]

Legacy?, c'mon Tory boy, elucidate.

As far as I can see any "legacy" has been dissipated over the intervening years.....and don't bring in council house sales into it. The biggest piece of asset stripping this country has seen. IMHO

Legacy, whether it be good or bad. How long is it since she was removed from office? And some people are still stuck in this time. How can anyone hope to move forward when they are still bitter and twisted about something that happened almost 30 years ago.

I wouldn't have the job I have today if it wasn't for privatisation. My mum would never have bought a house. She stood up to the trade unions who were holding the country to ransom. If only more politicians had her back bone, we might not be in the position we are in today.

[redwine]

So what you are saying is that if Thatcher hadn't done what she had you'd have been, in the current political parlance, " benefits scrounger". Sorry young man, I don't buy it. I've already covered the Right to buy swindle. Standing up to the unions by using her "stormtroopers".

However, I'll give you she had backbone and we shall be seeing soon won't we.

Time for drinkee, nighty night boys

[MrFrost]

So what you are saying is that if Thatcher hadn't done what she had you'd have been, in the current political parlance, " benefits scrounger". Sorry young man, I don't buy it. I've already covered the Right to buy swindle. Standing up to the unions by using her "stormtroopers".

However, I'll give you she had backbone and we shall be seeing soon won't we.

Time for drinkee, nighty night boys

I don't know what I would have been. Pointing out I wouldn't have the job I have today, with a company that employs thousands of people in the UK. 

I'm pretty certain though, judging by the initial response as a whole on her death, she will be remembered as a great leader.

[hoolahoop]

Wasn't it labour who first started closing the pits in the 70s?

Pits like other industries come and go. The problem with Thatcher was that it was ideologicaly rather than economically driven - and she didn't do anything to bring employment in their place thus dooming those communities, and the steelworks, and the shipyards....

I was under the impression that most of the pits were in fact losing money hand of fist and that is why she wanted them closed, therefore it was economically driven - but it became ideologically driven when Scargill foolishly challenged her. Lets not forget, the miners would have probably won, if Scargill had gone and got the vote from his union members instead of going into the strike without a mandate from his members.

And that historically is the REAL truth behind it glosterred. Scargill fecked it up and led the miners over the cliff. They never got full national support and do you know why ; it was simply because they or rather him acted undemocratically.
I'm pleased to see the back of her but to celebrate her death is puerile in the extreme. Some need to grow up and yes I had 2 members of my family down the pits as well as many friends and neighbours. All of them said Arthur should have done it properly but stupidly/cockily he didn't.
Would anyone question that Donny is a better place now than in the 80's , hmmm perhaps some on here would which is scary.

[Filo]

<a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9t4-zDem1Sk" target="_blank">http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9t4-zDem1Sk</a>