Time for the Death Penalty for terrorists I`m afraid

[jucyberry]

That poor man's family, what they must be going through right now doesn't bear thinking about.

There is already a photo doing the rounds on face book of men in headgear looking very Arabic with words like f**k the rag heads ect. The usual knee jerk type thing..

Having watched all three tea time channels coverage I found the BBC's extremely disturbing. They are Muslim they declared. ITV was more cautious, although it did have the member of public's footage of the killer C4 the most graphic...

Now I know race doesn't automatically denote religion, so seeing as the man quite literally with blood on his hands was black, with an accent straight out of Ali G the movie, how the heck does there immediately become the slack assumption that they are 'immigrants' here for a short time on a jihad?

it is an evil, wicked , terrible crime and I would hope that the killers are punished to the letter of the law, but I feel incredibly uncomfortable reading some of the posts I have seen on the net  tonight. I worry that this is the start of something truly nasty, with ordinary innocent Muslims being attacked. UKIP is thriving, this will give it extra ammunition.

As for the sick sods gawping, words cannot describe how sick I think it is to stop, back track and watch another human beings terrible execution.. What kind of mentality whips out a camera phone and films it for gods sake?

I am not an apologist, I do not excuse, but I do feel uncomfortable watching the frenzy of hatred that is being whipped up. Until I read the whole truth, if there is ever such a thing between the press and this government I will hold back from making assumptions.

[Glyn_Wigley]

I like to think with tecnolgy today that the days Of a wrong sentences have long gone,Of which iam more Than happy to put me trust in todays justice systems

Really? You actually think there is nobody in any of our prisons that is the victim of a miscarriage of justice? Not one?

And how 'long gone'? Since when do you think there has never been a wrongful conviction?

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I like to think with tecnolgy today that the days Of a wrong sentences have long gone,Of which iam more Than happy to put me trust in todays justice systems

Really? You actually think there is nobody in any of our prisons that is the victim of a miscarriage of justice? Not one?

And how 'long gone'? Since when do you think there has never been a wrongful conviction?for sure There is People in Prison that are 200per cent not guilty,that Will allways happen.

But i like to think or hope or Belive that When it comes
Down to the death penalty safe gaurds are put in place.

Dont Ask me how as that not my job,but for sure Even you must see that the two loons toady are an open and shut case...

...which in turn would require  the death penalty as punishment...

They have put a man on the moon,Now is the time to find a solution for a fool proof death penalty

[Glyn_Wigley]

As I've already said, the sentence is based onm the crime you're guilty of, not the strength of the evidence against you.

If you want to have a 'fool proof' level of proof to sentence someone to death, then you have to acquit anyone who wasn't found guilty to that level. You can't have a verdict of 'slightly guilty' or 'guilty but not guilty enough to execute'. Meaning that about 95% of people in prision for murder would have been acquitted.

At least we'd save a lot of money on keeping people in prison.

[The L J Monk]

Anything else on your wishlist Oslo, alongside a fail safe justice system?

[jucyberry]

I don't think there will ever be a 'fool proof' way of making sure there isn't a miscarriage of justice. The law is only as honest as those serving it.

for that reason alone I would not trust it.

I don't believe in the death penalty, never have, never will.

[Glyn_Wigley]

It's no good claiming DNA evidence as fool proof either. Because it isn't, despite how tv cop shows portray it.

[not on facebook]

This topic Will allways have legs fella and we could go on and on and on.

But like i said before ..i dont have the answer to a fool proof death sentence policy.....and i dont have a Clue where to start as bascially Its not my job to do so.

But the ploiticians outhere it is Their job to keep are boarders as safe as and to keep all and sundry within said boarders on the straight and narrow.

Of which today i feal no party takes serious enough

[Glyn_Wigley]

I don't think there will ever be a 'fool proof' way of making sure there isn't a miscarriage of justice. The law is only as honest as those serving it.

for that reason alone I would not trust it.

I don't believe in the death penalty, never have, never will.

After watching Panorama the other night, I'm not surprised.

[Glyn_Wigley]

But like i said before ..i dont have the answer to a fool proof death sentence policy.....and i dont have a Clue where to start as bascially Its not my job to do so.

So, you have no idea how to obtain a fool proof conviction, and no idea if it could ever be done, but you still want the death penalty?

[MrFrost]

But like i said before ..i dont have the answer to a fool proof death sentence policy.....and i dont have a Clue where to start as bascially Its not my job to do so.

So, you have no idea how to obtain a fool proof conviction, and no idea if it could ever be done, but you still want the death penalty?

So Glyn, do you have any doubt that those 2 Kitsons today, covered in blood, filmed murdering the poor guy, then admitting to the crime on TV, are guilty?

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I don't think there will ever be a 'fool proof' way of making sure there isn't a miscarriage of justice. The law is only as honest as those serving it.

for that reason alone I would not trust it.

I don't believe in the death penalty, never have, never will.

After watching Panorama the other night, I'm not surprised.if them two loons today had Been hung drawn and quartered,or a simple lethal  injection next week,i would sleep Well at night.

But not tonite ,as i Will go to sleep tossing and turning thinking about how they Will be looked after in a state
Prison to the call Of human fcuking rights

As i said before ...what about the human rights Of the poor Chap missing his head....

[The L J Monk]

Oslo, your views seem to be somewhat idealistic. We could all dream up perfect scenarios for others to create, but that's not the reality we live in.

[Glyn_Wigley]

But like i said before ..i dont have the answer to a fool proof death sentence policy.....and i dont have a Clue where to start as bascially Its not my job to do so.

So, you have no idea how to obtain a fool proof conviction, and no idea if it could ever be done, but you still want the death penalty?

So Glyn, do you have any doubt that those 2 c***s today, covered in blood, filmed murdering the poor guy, then admitting to the crime on TV, are guilty?

No,  but this is one case. What about all the other murders that aren't conveniently filmed and confessed to? How will you get convictions for those when you require a fool-proof level of evidence?

And before you say it you cannot have one sentence for one level of evidence and another for a lower level of evidence. That is not how the justice system works, you are either found guilty or not guilty, and there is one sentence fpr everybody found guilty of the same crime.

[copps123]

eye for an eye, tooth for a tooth, life for a life. For all the clear cut cases....as so far this seems to be. How would you feel if that was your son?  your brother? The world is a sick place and something needs to be done, other than banging them up in prison with there flat screen tv's and rent free lives paid for by the likes of ourselves. I agree with torturing the sicko's too...evil, evil, evil!!!

[not on facebook]

Oslo, your views seem to be somewhat idealistic. We could all dream up perfect scenarios for others to create, but that's not the reality we live in.

wrong or right my views are my views,i never claim to know the answer or a possible solution .

But in this case it just dont seem right to me ,that two loons can butcher some Chap to death and be put up in
Prison .

How would you feal if it was Your brother dad or son that was hacked to death in woolich today?

Could you live with yer self if the them two idiots were
Sent to prison and lived on?

[The L J Monk]

Oslo, what did you feel Norway should have done with Breivik?

[jucyberry]

Michael Mansfield doesn't trust DNA evidence, If to me the most important barrister in the UK thinks it isn't failsafe that's good enough for me.

It's a primitive reaction to want to take the life of a killer but I would hope as a nation we have evolved past the primitive.

[not on facebook]

Oslo, what did you feel Norway should have done with Breivik?death sentence fella,why Ask the question as Its obvious where i stand on loons killing People

Eye for an eye simple as

[The L J Monk]

As you know, he got the maximum, 21 years. And yet Norway has one of the most successful and progressive criminal justice systems in the world. Puzzler hey?

[copps123]

all this "holyer than thou" talk is just utter tripe. Thats why the scum walking the streets get to carry on doing this....punishment is too light. Im sure little aprils mum is sat at home right now, thinking how much she appreciates that the rotter who slaughtered her little princess gets to live it up in prison.

[MrFrost]

all this "holyer than thou" talk is just utter tripe. Thats why the scum walking the streets get to carry on doing this....punishment is too light. Im sure little aprils mum is sat at home right now, thinking how much she appreciates that the rotter who slaughtered her little princess gets to live it up in prison.

Exactly. It's not as if prison is feared. Not with the luxuries that are available these days.

[BobG]

Like I said elsewhere, Who killed James Hanratty?

Tell you what guys and gals, what, to you, are the hallmarks of a civilised society? What is it that makes it civilised?  How would you define a civilised society?

Cheers

BobG

[Glyn_Wigley]

Thats why the scum walking the streets get to carry on doing this....punishment is too light.

Yep. The US has the death penalty and hardly any murders, eh?

[Glyn_Wigley]

Exactly. It's not as if prison is feared. Not with the luxuries that are available these days.

I must have been watching different prison documentaries to other people recently.

[BobG]

Oh FFS Mr Frost!

We've had 20 years of conservative government,  and 10 of Labour, since the early 1980's. And one of THE common themes across every single one of those governments, was the loudly and often trumpeted clarion call to be tough on crime, to be tough on criminals and to make prisons places of punishment.
If you are right, that prisons are full of 'luxuries', then the solution you desire won't come through any of the political parties. They're all clearly lying through their teeth and have been doing so for over 30 years. Or, they've not been lying, prisons are not full of luxuries, and, you are wrong. Which is it?

Cheers

BobG

[Glyn_Wigley]

Like I said elsewhere, Who killed James Hanratty?

Tell you guys and gals, what, to you, are the hallmarks of a civilised society? What is it that makes it civilised?  How would you define a civilised society?

Cheers

BobG

Not the best example after they took DNA samples from his grave in 2002, Bob. I'd try Timothy Evans or Derek Bentley.

[not on facebook]

As you know, he got the maximum, 21 years. And yet Norway has one of the most successful and progressive criminal justice systems in the world. Puzzler hey?

You fool mr monk ,if you think norways criminal justice system is a bench mark That  would fit the UKs.

I let you into a little secret,i was at a football match just outside Oslo some years back,When a  noggy mate came walking into the ground and Sat next to me.

I was lost for words as he was Halfway Though doing his streach.

It turns out that the prison powers that be let him out
Of the the prison so he could attened the football match as part of his process.

FFS that is so wrong in my view,i dont care how you dress it up.

Norway Will have major issues with Its Prisons and justice system in about 30 years or so,due to the massive influx Of africans,polish,latvians,romainians  Of which more
Than enough are upto no good

[jucyberry]

It is never right to take the life of another person. Far too many innocent people went to the gallows for it ever to be seen as right and proper.

People calling for the death penalty must think further, all an execution would create is a martyr to the cause.

[MrFrost]

Oh FFS Mr Frost!

We've had 20 years of conservative government,  and 10 of Labour, since the early 1980's. And one of THE common themes across every single one of those governments, was the loudly and often trumpeted clarion call to be tough on crime, to be tough on criminals and to make prisons places of punishment.
If you are right, that prisons are full of 'luxuries', then the solution you desire won't come through any of the political parties. They're all clearly lying through their teeth and have been doing so for over 30 years. Or, they've not been lying, prisons are not full of luxuries, and, you are wrong. Which is it?

Cheers

BobG

My mum works in a prison. Would you define television's, game consoles, internet access readily available to murderers and rapists as luxuries?