Leeds away, organised boycott?

[Muttley]

The boycott wont change anything other than our team will have less support which will help leeds. I will be there along with at least 1000 other rovers fans

Why not organise a "twenty is plenty" protest at the game?

[normal rules]

The boycott wont change anything other than our team will have less support which will help leeds. I will be there along with at least 1000 other rovers fans

utter rubbish. you could have 1 fan there or a thousand. you cannot quantify if away support makes any difference to a teams performance.

based on this theory we would have lost at Wembley.

[normal rules]

If 1000 rovers fans turned up at ER en masse, demanded to see the Leeds Chairman and refused to come in unless it was £20 each.

THIS would make a protest.

Take £20k or nothing Mr Chairman.

Thing is - we have the ability to do this.

But we wont.

Why do Leeds think its OK to charge 13 quid more than say Barnsley? The view from the w stand is crap - as are the facilities.

Imagine if every away supporter had this attitude across the country.

"We are not coming in unless it is priced accordingly."

It would not take too long for Clubs to change.

Outside of the premiership - football would be nothing without its supporters.

I will continue to bang on about this - as others are until there is change.

If you accept the current status - it will just get worse.
Every part of industry in this country is being cut back. Families are having to make savings despite utilities and the cost of living going up.

twenty quid is enough for away supporters.
#twentysplenty

[dknward2]

once again Leeds don't care if away fans turn up or not, they would prefer to have no away fans,

unless the fa/ football league whoever force teams to adopt the twentysplenty then clubs like Leeds, Sheff Weds etc will charge what they want 

[silent majority]

If I take my VSC hat off and put my FSF hat on then any kind of organised boycott or protest is absolutely fine by me.

We were preparing some generic material in the FSF office recently. We had the Twentys Plenty leaflets along with some banners and other material. I'll check with the office tomorrow and get some sent to mine.

I'll also check with the FSF guys at Leeds and see if they're up for any kind of joint demonstration, after all the petition has done really well on the Waccoe site too and has support.

[KieronDRFC]

The boycott wont change anything other than our team will have less support which will help leeds. I will be there along with at least 1000 other rovers fans

utter rubbish. you could have 1 fan there or a thousand. you cannot quantify if away support makes any difference to a teams performance.

based on this theory we would have lost at Wembley.

When did i say "we'll lose if theres a boycott" players are always saying about the fans being the twelfth man and i will benifit leeds on the pitch if theres no rovers fans there. Which wont happen because there will be plenty there so stop whinging about the prices and stay at home if it makes you feel better 

[Donnyrovers]

Are fans only wanting to boycott because its Leeds? It's the same for every team that goes there and most other teams will pay more than us at Wigan and other grounds who reduce prices for us because of the category games. Leeds aren't the only team in the league with expensive prices so would these fans boycott the other grounds such as Ipswich who are expensive or is it because the fans have no intentions of going them and because they want to go Leeds with it been on the doorstep are making a big deal out of it.

[RedJ]

I think the fact that the part of the ground we're put in is shite doesn't exactly help their case.

[Boomstick]

Are fans only wanting to boycott because its Leeds? It's the same for every team that goes there and most other teams will pay more than us at Wigan and other grounds who reduce prices for us because of the category games. Leeds aren't the only team in the league with expensive prices so would these fans boycott the other grounds such as Ipswich who are expensive or is it because the fans have no intentions of going them and because they want to go Leeds with it been on the doorstep are making a big deal out of it.

It's because it's a high profile derby, and a game attracting a large degree of interest. It's a game Rovers would take 3000 fans to given the right price. As we have in the past.
So if we took no fans in protest to the extortionate prices it will have a bigger impact, more so than say Ipswich away where the interest isn't half as big.

[RedRover45]

The boycott wont change anything other than our team will have less support which will help leeds. I will be there along with at least 1000 other rovers fans

utter rubbish. you could have 1 fan there or a thousand. you cannot quantify if away support makes any difference to a teams performance.

based on this theory we would have lost at Wembley.

When did i say "we'll lose if theres a boycott" players are always saying about the fans being the twelfth man and i will benifit leeds on the pitch if theres no rovers fans there. Which wont happen because there will be plenty there so stop whinging about the prices and stay at home if it makes you feel better 

It's attitudes like yours that is slowly strangling football to death. Grow a pair and say no !

[RedRover45]

Are fans only wanting to boycott because its Leeds? It's the same for every team that goes there and most other teams will pay more than us at Wigan and other grounds who reduce prices for us because of the category games. Leeds aren't the only team in the league with expensive prices so would these fans boycott the other grounds such as Ipswich who are expensive or is it because the fans have no intentions of going them and because they want to go Leeds with it been on the doorstep are making a big deal out of it.

No, it's every ground where the club rips off travelling fans. Nothing to do with the fact it's Leeds, or Owls or Ipswich. I spent season after season never missing a game home or away. Not any more, I plain and simply can't afford it.

[Jenny]

If 1000 rovers fans turned up at ER en masse, demanded to see the Leeds Chairman and refused to come in unless it was £20 each.

THIS would make a protest.

Take £20k or nothing Mr Chairman.

Thing is - we have the ability to do this.

But we wont.

Why do Leeds think its OK to charge 13 quid more than say Barnsley? The view from the w stand is crap - as are the facilities.

Imagine if every away supporter had this attitude across the country.

"We are not coming in unless it is priced accordingly."

It would not take too long for Clubs to change.

Outside of the premiership - football would be nothing without its supporters.

I will continue to bang on about this - as others are until there is change.

If you accept the current status - it will just get worse.
Every part of industry in this country is being cut back. Families are having to make savings despite utilities and the cost of living going up.

twenty quid is enough for away supporters.
#twentysplenty

Thought Bates had nothing to do with Leeds anymore?

I doubt I'll be going, despite it being cheaper than most away games for me as no travel costs, I'd rather not pump money into that club. I haven't been to a Rovers game there since the first time we played them in recent years, which is due to price.

[keepmoatman]

If 1000 rovers fans turned up at ER en masse, demanded to see the Leeds Chairman and refused to come in unless it was £20 each.

THIS would make a protest.

Take £20k or nothing Mr Chairman.

Thing is - we have the ability to do this.

But we wont.

Why do Leeds think its OK to charge 13 quid more than say Barnsley? The view from the w stand is crap - as are the facilities.

Imagine if every away supporter had this attitude across the country.

"We are not coming in unless it is priced accordingly."

It would not take too long for Clubs to change.

Outside of the premiership - football would be nothing without its supporters.

I will continue to bang on about this - as others are until there is change.

If you accept the current status - it will just get worse.
Every part of industry in this country is being cut back. Families are having to make savings despite utilities and the cost of living going up.

twenty quid is enough for away supporters.
#twentysplenty

Thought Bates had nothing to do with Leeds anymore?

I doubt I'll be going, despite it being cheaper than most away games for me as no travel costs, I'd rather not pump money into that club. I haven't been to a Rovers game there since the first time we played them in recent years, which is due to price.

Cant spot where Bates was actually mentioned

[KieronDRFC]

The boycott wont change anything other than our team will have less support which will help leeds. I will be there along with at least 1000 other rovers fans

utter rubbish. you could have 1 fan there or a thousand. you cannot quantify if away support makes any difference to a teams performance.

based on this theory we would have lost at Wembley.

When did i say "we'll lose if theres a boycott" players are always saying about the fans being the twelfth man and i will benifit leeds on the pitch if theres no rovers fans there. Which wont happen because there will be plenty there so stop whinging about the prices and stay at home if it makes you feel better 

It's attitudes like yours that is slowly strangling football to death. Grow a pair and say no !

And its miserable b******s like you that should go support a conference team if your not willing to pay championship prices.

[River Don]

Are fans only wanting to boycott because its Leeds? It's the same for every team that goes there and most other teams will pay more than us at Wigan and other grounds who reduce prices for us because of the category games. Leeds aren't the only team in the league with expensive prices so would these fans boycott the other grounds such as Ipswich who are expensive or is it because the fans have no intentions of going them and because they want to go Leeds with it been on the doorstep are making a big deal out of it.

Yes it's because it's Leeds.

I have stopped going to most away games because it's getting too expensive but the likes of Leeds and Wednesday, I would normally have gone to.

Not at these prices though.

[Jenny]

If 1000 rovers fans turned up at ER en masse, demanded to see the Leeds Chairman and refused to come in unless it was £20 each.

THIS would make a protest.

Take £20k or nothing Mr Chairman.

Thing is - we have the ability to do this.

But we wont.

Why do Leeds think its OK to charge 13 quid more than say Barnsley? The view from the w stand is crap - as are the facilities.

Imagine if every away supporter had this attitude across the country.

"We are not coming in unless it is priced accordingly."

It would not take too long for Clubs to change.

Outside of the premiership - football would be nothing without its supporters.

I will continue to bang on about this - as others are until there is change.

If you accept the current status - it will just get worse.
Every part of industry in this country is being cut back. Families are having to make savings despite utilities and the cost of living going up.

twenty quid is enough for away supporters.
#twentysplenty

Thought Bates had nothing to do with Leeds anymore?

I doubt I'll be going, despite it being cheaper than most away games for me as no travel costs, I'd rather not pump money into that club. I haven't been to a Rovers game there since the first time we played them in recent years, which is due to price.

Cant spot where Bates was actually mentioned

Me neither - either the post was edited before I quoted it or I have selective eyesight...

The whole debate about staying away is an interesting one, obviously everyone wants to support their team, and should be able to do so as and when they please. To suggest that either view is wrong would be daft and if the players were THAT bothered about no fans being there, well, they should think about how much money they extract from the game because along with TV money, they are a huge part of the problem.

[RedRover45]

The boycott wont change anything other than our team will have less support which will help leeds. I will be there along with at least 1000 other rovers fans

utter rubbish. you could have 1 fan there or a thousand. you cannot quantify if away support makes any difference to a teams performance.

based on this theory we would have lost at Wembley.

When did i say "we'll lose if theres a boycott" players are always saying about the fans being the twelfth man and i will benifit leeds on the pitch if theres no rovers fans there. Which wont happen because there will be plenty there so stop whinging about the prices and stay at home if it makes you feel better 

It's attitudes like yours that is slowly strangling football to death. Grow a pair and say no !

And its miserable b******s like you that should go support a conference team if your not willing to pay championship prices.

I don't know how old you are, but I've spent well over forty years watching my team home and away. I don't think I'm miserable, but if I am then maybe it's because the game I've loved all these years has finally priced me and thousands of others out of it and the situation will never change while idiots like you are blinded by it and maintain an I'm Alright Jack attitude. I've been to more matches and grounds that you've probably dreamt off, so don't tell me to support another team bud.

[KieronDRFC]

The boycott wont change anything other than our team will have less support which will help leeds. I will be there along with at least 1000 other rovers fans

utter rubbish. you could have 1 fan there or a thousand. you cannot quantify if away support makes any difference to a teams performance.

based on this theory we would have lost at Wembley.

When did i say "we'll lose if theres a boycott" players are always saying about the fans being the twelfth man and i will benifit leeds on the pitch if theres no rovers fans there. Which wont happen because there will be plenty there so stop whinging about the prices and stay at home if it makes you feel better 

It's attitudes like yours that is slowly strangling football to death. Grow a pair and say no !

And its miserable b******s like you that should go support a conference team if your not willing to pay championship prices.

I don't know how old you are, but I've spent well over forty years watching my team home and away. I don't think I'm miserable, but if I am then maybe it's because the game I've loved all these years has finally priced me and thousands of others out of it and the situation will never change while idiots like you are blinded by it and maintain an I'm Alright Jack attitude. I've been to more matches and grounds that you've probably dreamt off, so don't tell me to support another team bud.

I couldnt care less whether you go or not. Il be there enjoying myself and supporting my team so keep moaning pal you reds! 

[Mr1Croft]

The boycott wont change anything other than our team will have less support which will help leeds. I will be there along with at least 1000 other rovers fans

utter rubbish. you could have 1 fan there or a thousand. you cannot quantify if away support makes any difference to a teams performance.

based on this theory we would have lost at Wembley.

When did i say "we'll lose if theres a boycott" players are always saying about the fans being the twelfth man and i will benifit leeds on the pitch if theres no rovers fans there. Which wont happen because there will be plenty there so stop whinging about the prices and stay at home if it makes you feel better 

It's attitudes like yours that is slowly strangling football to death. Grow a pair and say no !

And its miserable b******s like you that should go support a conference team if your not willing to pay championship prices.

Can you honestly define Championship Prices though?

Seriously, 3 Dortmund adults and a child could have watched Dortmund VS Real Madrid (in the Champions League Semi-Final) for the cost of 1 adult going to Leeds. How can you honestly say £36 is in line with 'Championship' prices?

I also can't believe you don't think a boycott would make a difference either...

Speaking entirely independent here, if the support is there I would prefer a national (or Championship) away boycott on a selected weekend this season, that would really ring the message home...

[KieronDRFC]

The boycott wont change anything other than our team will have less support which will help leeds. I will be there along with at least 1000 other rovers fans

utter rubbish. you could have 1 fan there or a thousand. you cannot quantify if away support makes any difference to a teams performance.

based on this theory we would have lost at Wembley.

When did i say "we'll lose if theres a boycott" players are always saying about the fans being the twelfth man and i will benifit leeds on the pitch if theres no rovers fans there. Which wont happen because there will be plenty there so stop whinging about the prices and stay at home if it makes you feel better 

It's attitudes like yours that is slowly strangling football to death. Grow a pair and say no !

And its miserable b******s like you that should go support a conference team if your not willing to pay championship prices.

Can you honestly define Championship Prices though?

Seriously, 3 Dortmund adults and a child could have watched Dortmund VS Real Madrid (in the Champions League Semi-Final) for the cost of 1 adult going to Leeds. How can you honestly say £36 is in line with 'Championship' prices?

I also can't believe you don't think a boycott would make a difference either...

Speaking entirely independent here, if the support is there I would prefer a national (or Championship) away boycott on a selected weekend this season, that would really ring the message home...

I dont try and define championship prices nor do i agree with paying £36 for a football match.
If boycotting the leeds game was going to force the football league into making the 20s plenty mandatory for all clubs i would happily comply but when its not going to make any difference why should i not go support my team. Theres going to be at least 1000 rovers fans there whether you like or not making your "boycott" pointless.

[silent majority]

Kieron, I've pointed out on here many times that the campaign is working, see here;

http://www.fsf.org.uk/latest-news/view/twentys-plenty-makes-its-mark-as-premier-league-launches-away-fans-fund

We have a meeting planned with the FL that will discuss the problems that away fans face, it doesn't need shovelling under the carpet, it needs more participants. Action is required, not your head in the sand attitude.

[KieronDRFC]

Kieron, I've pointed out on here many times that the campaign is working, see here;

http://www.fsf.org.uk/latest-news/view/twentys-plenty-makes-its-mark-as-premier-league-launches-away-fans-fund

We have a meeting planned with the FL that will discuss the problems that away fans face, it doesn't need shovelling under the carpet, it needs more participants. Action is required, not your head in the sand attitude.

I think the campaigns great. However youve never told me how a small number of rovers fans (because some will go regardless) going to leeds is going to change anything, it wont.

[Bentley Bullet]

It’s a situation similar to pay offers in the work place. Some workers vote to reject an offer, accepting the potential risk of hardship it may cause through potential industrial action. Others refuse to take that risk by voting to accept the offer. I wonder how many of the latter voters would accept the offer so eagerly if what they voted to accept was all they got. How would they then feel if those who rejected the offer to pursue a higher pay rise ended up being awarded a better deal?

Would they then be so prepared to sit themselves ‘on the fence’ ready to jump either way depending on the outcome?

I bet football fans that are willing to be ripped off without putting up a fight would welcome a reduction in ticket prices achieved by their fellow supporters who fought for it.

[normal rules]

The boycott wont change anything other than our team will have less support which will help leeds. I will be there along with at least 1000 other rovers fans

utter rubbish. you could have 1 fan there or a thousand. you cannot quantify if away support makes any difference to a teams performance.

based on this theory we would have lost at Wembley.

When did i say "we'll lose if theres a boycott" players are always saying about the fans being the twelfth man and i will benifit leeds on the pitch if theres no rovers fans there. Which wont happen because there will be plenty there so stop whinging about the prices and stay at home if it makes you feel better 

what makes me feel better buddy is knowing that going to watch my team is cost effective and cost proportionate and cost reasonable. By inference, you implied Leeds had an advantage by having less away fans supporting rovers which is absolutely unfounded and ridiculous.
As long as there is a culture that is accepting of "go at any price" then this shall be the case.

The recent game at Hillsborough being a perfect example. 8000 (yes eight thousand) less supporters than the equivalent fixture a couple years previous being the most glaring evidential example.

Those willing to pay "the going rate" are becoming less and less and will soon be - if not already, be in the minority. I love my football. I have a family and have to draw a line somewhere in what I can afford.
A couple of seasons ago I did not consider what games I could and could  not afford. Now I have to pick and choose.

[normal rules]

I shall stop banging on about the leeds fixture. the reason the leeds game stood out for me is two fold.

1. its a local game with little travel cost and would ordinarily be attractive for rovers to go to. 4000 rovers went that day stocky scored that free kick. (yes I was there) tickets were 20 quid.
2. leeds fans themselves have recognised that prices are preventing fans from turning up at elland rd and in some way this shows football supporter solidarity.

there are, of course,  some that think -its leeds away so we should go, whatever the price.

so we should have 4000 there again.

not a chance

we will struggle to get 1000.

im afraid for a Yorkshire derby like this. its all or nothing . it wont be ALL, not even close. so it should be nothing.,

respect to the cov fans for standing by their morals. different circumstances I know. they have refused to travel to sixfields. we should refuse to pay £36
 

[normal rules]

The boycott wont change anything other than our team will have less support which will help leeds. I will be there along with at least 1000 other rovers fans

utter rubbish. you could have 1 fan there or a thousand. you cannot quantify if away support makes any difference to a teams performance.

based on this theory we would have lost at Wembley.

When did i say "we'll lose if theres a boycott" players are always saying about the fans being the twelfth man and i will benifit leeds on the pitch if theres no rovers fans there. Which wont happen because there will be plenty there so stop whinging about the prices and stay at home if it makes you feel better 

It's attitudes like yours that is slowly strangling football to death. Grow a pair and say no !

And its miserable b******s like you that should go support a conference team if your not willing to pay championship prices.

Can you honestly define Championship Prices though?

Seriously, 3 Dortmund adults and a child could have watched Dortmund VS Real Madrid (in the Champions League Semi-Final) for the cost of 1 adult going to Leeds. How can you honestly say £36 is in line with 'Championship' prices?

I also can't believe you don't think a boycott would make a difference either...

Speaking entirely independent here, if the support is there I would prefer a national (or Championship) away boycott on a selected weekend this season, that would really ring the message home...

I dont try and define championship prices nor do i agree with paying £36 for a football match.
If boycotting the leeds game was going to force the football league into making the 20s plenty mandatory for all clubs i would happily comply but when its not going to make any difference why should i not go support my team. Theres going to be at least 1000 rovers fans there whether you like or not making your "boycott" pointless.

KIERON.
THERE WONT BE 1000 ROVERS AT ER.
ENJOY THE GAME.
YOU OBVIOUSLY HAVE MORE DISPOSABLE MONEY AND PASSION THAN MYSELF.

RTID

[silent majority]

Kieron, I didn't attempt to convince you how this one game will make a difference. However, the FL keep records of every game, attendance of home and away fans is meticulously recorded, so we can at least point to genuine examples of how away attendance is affected by price. If we do this, and advertise it widely, other clubs will do the same. That is always the start of any campaign, suggesting it won't make any difference is a little naive.

[MartinB]

Mmmm.... Here's a thought.  Leeds and Donny fans jointly protesting?  Serious think about it. ...Vsc forum plus other DRFC forums the Leeds forums making this known too. .. I'm sure all together a good peaceful protest outside the ground could be achieved. .. and
 that would have a big affect... in this day and age it may just be possible.

[RobTheRover]

Guys, I think we are getting to the nub of the issue here.

The VSC, like all Supporter's Trusts, have a clear interest in the well being of the club and the supporters.  We are supporting the Twentys Plenty campaign so our views on away ticket pricing is clear, and we would certainly support the views of any supporter who considers what Leeds are charging as excessive and decides not to attend on those grounds.  However, to actively try to stop fans supporting the team at Leeds is not something I would be comfortable with, especially as there must be a more than fair chance of a victory.

[Boomstick]

Which is why clubs will continue to charge exorbitant prices.