Heart and soul of Rovers got torn yesterday

[Alickismyhero]

Look Wellred I disagree with a lot of what you say but respect your right to make those comments. You will notice that VSC has not blocked any adverse comments made about them which allows you to make adverse comments about them. Isn't that exactly what you require?

The VSC board are in a very difficult position they are sitting ducks. I too have made criticism of the VSC and Filo in the past and if I was  right or wrong is not important thats what this forum is about, debate.

If you were to disappear to another site where everyone agrees with everyone I think you will soon come back.

The VSC have done a fine job.

PS it was Wellred who convinced me it was a good idea to join  the VSC.

You are correct Alick that the VSC has not blocked any adverse comments. I personally have been threatened that I will be banned from the forum for comments I have made however so some people on here are not quite as liberal as you may think.

Maybe I am not putting across what I mean very clearly. What I am trying to say is we are going around and around. The fors are not going to change their opinion neither are the againsts.
We can carry on having a go at each other all day long. It is not going to achieve anything though is it?

Believe me Wellred if I thought you were going to be censored for your comments I would be 100% on your side to stop it happening. If rude or insulting comments are made thats different.

What amuses me is the poster who is 100% convinced they are right when in fact we only have bits and pieces from one side and we have still to get the other sides point of view.

I need more information before I make up my mind.

ROB,

Criticism goes with the job and yes you can't win but I appreciate the position VSC are in.

[SkellowRover]

Look Wellred I disagree with a lot of what you say but respect your right to make those comments. You will notice that VSC has not blocked any adverse comments made about them which allows you to make adverse comments about them. Isn't that exactly what you require?

The VSC board are in a very difficult position they are sitting ducks. I too have made criticism of the VSC and Filo in the past and if I was  right or wrong is not important thats what this forum is about, debate.

If you were to disappear to another site where everyone agrees with everyone I think you will soon come back.

The VSC have done a fine job.

PS it was Wellred who convinced me it was a good idea to join  the VSC.

You are correct Alick that the VSC has not blocked any adverse comments. I personally have been threatened that I will be banned from the forum for comments I have made however so some people on here are not quite as liberal as you may think.

Maybe I am not putting across what I mean very clearly. What I am trying to say is we are going around and around. The fors are not going to change their opinion neither are the againsts.
We can carry on having a go at each other all day long. It is not going to achieve anything though is it?

I'm being watched and was too threatened with a ban by someone hiding behind a general VSC account that wouldn't even say who he was when i asked. The reason for this? because a VSC board member had a pop at me so when i had a pop back they just abused the position they were in 'because they can'. I guess it's 1 rule for a VSC board member and another for a general supporter with a different opinion.

[Wellred]

I know exactly who it was that threatened me. And yes it was a vsc director.

[silent majority]

We have already been informed by Silent Majority that the VSC is not here to represent the supporters of DRFC but is a body elected to keep tabs of the club and ensure it goes the way they want it.

That's not what I said Wellred, don't twist my words to try and prove a point.

[Alickismyhero]

Skellow,
I stand by what I said to Wellred

The fact someone has a different view to me or the VSC and expresses it in a respectful way the VSC should not threaten to censor anyone. But there has to be standards kept and whether you crossed the line I clearly do not know.

I have been censored for comments I made about a certain Irishman who is no longer interested in the TO at Donny. On reflection because of the threat of legal action it was a correct decision by the VSC and their action was explained to me later.

[Wellred]

We have already been informed by Silent Majority that the VSC is not here to represent the supporters of DRFC but is a body elected to keep tabs of the club and ensure it goes the way they want it.

That's not what I said Wellred, don't twist my words to try and prove a point.

All down to how you interpret things I guess.

[nice one rovers]

The vsc should be ashamed of themselves, without John Ryan there would be no club. Why wouldn't you back him?
The vsc have made their bed, shown their true colours.

I think it's time for an alternative supporters group, or does one exist?

Can I make it clear that the VSC is not a supporters group/club. We are a trust and as one we have clear aims and objectives to ensure the longevity and sustainability of our football club.

We did not refuse to back John Ryan, we gave the entire DRFC board our full support to do what was best for the future of our football club.

We did not ask for JRs resignation, infact (unlike another supporters group) we didn't demand the resignation of any of the board members.

I dont get it.I think that most people who pay into the VSC, are under the impression that that is what we are paying for, a Supporters Group to represent the supporters.

[Wellred]

The vsc should be ashamed of themselves, without John Ryan there would be no club. Why wouldn't you back him?
The vsc have made their bed, shown their true colours.

I think it's time for an alternative supporters group, or does one exist?

Can I make it clear that the VSC is not a supporters group/club. We are a trust and as one we have clear aims and objectives to ensure the longevity and sustainability of our football club.

We did not refuse to back John Ryan, we gave the entire DRFC board our full support to do what was best for the future of our football club.

We did not ask for JRs resignation, infact (unlike another supporters group) we didn't demand the resignation of any of the board members.

I dont get it.I think that most people who pay into the VSC, are under the impression that that is what we are paying for, a Supporters Group to represent the supporters.

I wonder how many others members think that?

[nice one rovers]

Bpoolrover, how many more times do supporters want the VSC 's position clarifying?

1) we are not against investment or takeover
2) we are certainly not anti-JR.  The bloke saved this club. How can anyone be anti-JR?   We were just as shocked as anyone when he decided to tender his resignation yesterday.
3) we have a clear aim to safeguard the club for the future of supporters,  borne from the events of 1997/8.
4) as a shareholder/stakeholder we asked questions surrounding SC which were not answered. Where is the money coming from? Who is behind the bid? What happens if the Rovers don't get promoted to the Premier League? What happens to the club if SC or their backers decide enough is enough?
5) we did our own investigations (as other fans did too) and found out very little of substance.
6) we were threatened by lawyers acting for SC due to comments made by fans on this site.

Given the complete lack of anything to substantiate the SC bid how on earth could we support it? We never once said we didn't trust John,  just that we had no hard evidence to persuade us that we should support the SC bid.

You couldn't have been sued for what supporters say , as it turns out that you are not a supporters group/club.

[nice one rovers]

Bpoolrover, how many more times do supporters want the VSC 's position clarifying?

1) we are not against investment or takeover
2) we are certainly not anti-JR.  The bloke saved this club. How can anyone be anti-JR?   We were just as shocked as anyone when he decided to tender his resignation yesterday.
3) we have a clear aim to safeguard the club for the future of supporters,  borne from the events of 1997/8.
4) as a shareholder/stakeholder we asked questions surrounding SC which were not answered. Where is the money coming from? Who is behind the bid? What happens if the Rovers don't get promoted to the Premier League? What happens to the club if SC or their backers decide enough is enough?
5) we did our own investigations (as other fans did too) and found out very little of substance.
6) we were threatened by lawyers acting for SC due to comments made by fans on this site.

Given the complete lack of anything to substantiate the SC bid how on earth could we support it? We never once said we didn't trust John,  just that we had no hard evidence to persuade us that we should support the SC bid.

You couldn't have been sued for what supporters say , as it turns out that you are not a supporters group/club.

Why dont the vsc put a copy of their constitution on vsc matters part of this forum,then the members can see  what exactly the aims of the group are.By the way i am not a member but not against the vsc either.

They already have mate, its on the home page. About the VSC / Aims & Objectives.

When you read it, it looks pretty much like a supporters' club/group to me. I'm probably misunderstanding it though.


Aims

These are included in the rules of the VSC and are as follows:

The Society’s objects are to benefit the community by:

being the democratic and representative voice of the supporters of the Club and strengthening the bonds between the Club and the communities which it serves
achieving the greatest possible supporter and community influence in the running and ownership of the Club
promoting responsible and constructive community engagement by present and future members of the communities served by the Club and encouraging the Club to do the same
operating democratically, fairly, sustainably, transparently and with financial responsibility and encouraging the Club to do the same
being a positive, inclusive and representative organisation, open and accessible to all supporters of the Club regardless of their age, income, ethnicity, gender, disability, sexuality or religious or moral belief

[drfc1951]

Yes i have just read it,ihave also read the end of season review and it does say it is a Supporters Trust.

[RobTheRover]

Martin is making a distinction between a supporters club and a supporters trust. They are 2 very different types of organisation,  performing very different roles. The thing they both have is a membership.

[Lytham Rover]

We have already been informed by Silent Majority that the VSC is not here to represent the supporters of DRFC but is a body elected to keep tabs of the club and ensure it goes the way they want it to.

It is a shame then that we don't have a fans forum where everyone can contribute without the VSC having to influnce most of the threads.

Wouldn't it be great to actually have a forum like many football clubs do, where the fans post comments about the team, management etc etc but are generally non political.

Instead of being for or against John Ryan, Terry Brammall, Sequentia or Uncle Tom Cobley wouldn't it be nice to discuss other things.

Maybe there should be part of this forum dedicated to VSC members only where they can discuss the saviours or pirates trying to plunder our club and leave the rest to discussion about team affairs, transfers etc etc.

Like YAURS?

[Wellred]

We have already been informed by Silent Majority that the VSC is not here to represent the supporters of DRFC but is a body elected to keep tabs of the club and ensure it goes the way they want it to.

It is a shame then that we don't have a fans forum where everyone can contribute without the VSC having to influnce most of the threads.

Wouldn't it be great to actually have a forum like many football clubs do, where the fans post comments about the team, management etc etc but are generally non political.

Instead of being for or against John Ryan, Terry Brammall, Sequentia or Uncle Tom Cobley wouldn't it be nice to discuss other things.

Maybe there should be part of this forum dedicated to VSC members only where they can discuss the saviours or pirates trying to plunder our club and leave the rest to discussion about team affairs, transfers etc etc.

Like YAURS?

Before someone took his bat and ball home ............yes probably