Take over ready to go ahead.

[Lipsy]

Aw c'mon, let go of the bone a little, Skellow. Seriously. IF this deal goes ahead, has the VSC got clout to put the mockers on it? Nope.

I understand that their stance (from an official rather than individual point of view) has been to welcome investment, *providing* it meets the criteria of sustaining the club's long-term future. It just so happens that their view appears to run parallel to the noises that TB and co have been making...

I'm also sure that JR has the same long-term hope for the club, btw.

Thing is, I think some people are confusing individual VSC reps opinions with the view of VSC as a whole.

[SkellowRover]

Indeed as ever we'll look at the information, discuss and take it at its merits. If things have changed for a positive it's all good. If they haven't them clearly I'd still be concerned based on information from before.

Backtrack much?
What happened to the 'we don't want a hedge fund running our club' and 'we don't want people that threatened us with legal action running our club'? The deal is no different just money up front and slightly more, it's still a hedge fund and still people that threatened your co-operative with legal action.
The VSC changing it's opinion again to suit it's own agenda?

Rubbish, we'll discuss everything new as we well should. My opinion is no different I'd be looking for guarantees of security to support it. Which is bang in line with what the directors of the vsc discussed months ago before any of you ever knew of takeover talks.

Also I'd like to think we're not fixed in our minds and quite open to making decisions on the evidenced. If new information to the positive appears, well that's exactly what we're pushing for.  We're not childish in making a view and sticking to it if things change. If there is no change my view will not. So you're wrong.

Rubbish? I think you must be referring to your reply there. Short term memory loss from a VSC board member again as certain directors have said those very 2 things, maybe not you but hey obviously a great show of a unified board

[SkellowRover]

Aw c'mon, let go of the bone a little, Skellow. Seriously. IF this deal goes ahead, has the VSC got clout to put the mockers on it? Nope.

I understand that their stance (from an official rather than individual point of view) has been to welcome investment, *providing* it meets the criteria of sustaining the club's long-term future. It just so happens that their view appears to run parallel to the noises that TB and co have been making...

I'm also sure that JR has the same long-term hope for the club, btw.

Thing is, I think some people are confusing individual VSC reps opinions with the view of VSC as a whole.

The VSC boards opinons are all that matters matey, afterall they keep banging on about how they are elected to make them. The problem with the VSC is it's blinkered views because they didn't look at the whole picture of what could happen because they put their trust in a man they know little about even though he's been a shareholder for a few years.
Can they do anything about stopping this deal and the sh*t hitting the fan? Nope. The best chance we had of making sure the best interests of the club were taken into account was if JR was around, pity he took so much crap on the VSC boards isn't it *sigh*

[River Don]

Should this go through, the VSC shareholding could be bought out with no say in the matter could it not?

I don't think so. Supporters trusts don't exist to fold at the moment new owners come in.

Besides, this is still a supposed to be a friendly takeover, isn't it?

[silent majority]

Skellow,

How many more times are you going to ignore the responses that you've been given whilst peddling your bitterness towards certain board members??

I'm going to say this again in the hope that you understand where we are and what our position is, although God knows why as you never pay attention.

We are not anti-JR, we are not pro-TB, we have always been anti-SC, and until they can provide us with the answers we've been asking for 6 months nothing changes. Nothing I've read or heard this morning changes that one bit.

Your personal attacks on me are tiresome to the extreme.

[BigColSutherland]

Should this go through, the VSC shareholding could be bought out with no say in the matter could it not?

I don't think so. Supporters trusts don't exist to fold at the moment new owners come in.

Besides, this is still a supposed to be a friendly takeover, isn't it?

I'm not saying they'd fold. I'm saying wouldn't their shares become liable to purchased as part of compulsory acquistion?

[Lipsy]

You're still confusing some individual VSC reps' opinions with those of the VSC as a whole, I believe.

All of this is just a chuffing mess. We're almost best to let the board do what it's going to do (none of us can influence anything anyway). All those bleating on about JR falling on his sword should watch his conference video http://ow.ly/qGPqW. The final moments - I think - reveal something of JR's true intentions/hopes.

I feel like we're spectators to a ridiculous posturing showdown... None of us know what's actually going, and all those involved seem to be playing silly buggers. Sniping on here (or Facebook, for that matter) is completely pointless and a waste of good energy.

[silent majority]

Should this go through, the VSC shareholding could be bought out with no say in the matter could it not?

I don't think so. Supporters trusts don't exist to fold at the moment new owners come in.

Besides, this is still a supposed to be a friendly takeover, isn't it?

I'm not saying they'd fold. I'm saying wouldn't their shares become liable to purchased as part of compulsory acquistion?

Yes of course they would.

[big fat yorkshire pudding]

Should this go through, the VSC shareholding could be bought out with no say in the matter could it not?

I don't think so. Supporters trusts don't exist to fold at the moment new owners come in.

Besides, this is still a supposed to be a friendly takeover, isn't it?

I'm not saying they'd fold. I'm saying wouldn't their shares become liable to purchased as part of compulsory acquistion?

Always a possibility of that of course. Wouldn't be very desirable or good pr for them though would it?

[BigColSutherland]

Well, with the apparent sending of that legal letter, I'm not sure they care too much about PR to be honest BFYP.

Interesting times ahead for everyone.

[bobjimwilly]

just to quote what TB said regarding the deal: "I'm prepared to accept the deal in the terms I thought we were discussing"

[roverssam1879]

We are not anti-JR, we are not pro-TB, we have always been anti-SC, and until they can provide us with the answers we've been asking for 6 months nothing changes. Nothing I've read or heard this morning changes that one bit.

Pretty sure many a member of the forum have been told to keep thier beaks out when asking for more info on any deal as to not jepodise things.

are the general members told the same as what the directors of the VSC are told...no

im pretty sure the VSC will always come out on top when trying to fight against people like skellow as they hold the upper hand on information recieved from within the club.

This is always going to happen, maybe there should be less of an anti JR feel from the VSC directors, this way personal attacks may be less common and people wouldnt get backs up so quickly.

I dont feel JR deserves some of the bad press he can sometimes seem to get on here. If it was toned down then maybe he wouldnt have legal teams searching internet content (allegedly)

[SkellowRover]

We are not anti-JR, we are not pro-TB, we have always been anti-SC, and until they can provide us with the answers we've been asking for 6 months nothing changes. Nothing I've read or heard this morning changes that one bit.

Pretty sure many a member of the forum have been told to keep thier beaks out when asking for more info on any deal as to not jepodise things.

are the general members told the same as what the directors of the VSC are told...no

im pretty sure the VSC will always come out on top when trying to fight against people like skellow as they hold the upper hand on information recieved from within the club.

This is always going to happen, maybe there should be less of an anti JR feel from the VSC directors, this way personal attacks may be less common and people wouldnt get backs up so quickly.

I dont feel JR deserves some of the bad press he can sometimes seem to get on here. If it was toned down then maybe he wouldnt have legal teams searching internet content (allegedly)

haha they wish they did

[goalkick]

If this forum still exists in a few years time will be very interesting to see what opinions are.we could be in the premier or back in the conference. Wonder what the odds are on both scenarios.

[roverssam1879]

I think they do Skellow, But i feel the information is abused (sometimes) in order in order to stroke ego's

It gotten out of hand some what.

Itd be interesting to see what the anti SC pro TB gang think of things if TB does agree a deal and walk...opening the door for a certain JR to be reinstated as Chairman by SC.

[wing commander]

   I think the big problem is that people just assume that just because the vsc board do not on this occasion believe he is correct and cant back the deal in its current format that they are against him and knowing most of the vsc board that is simply not the case...
  The irony is that some of the people who obviously want to attack these people are the same ones who previously accused the vsc of being puppets of the club..All they want to achieve is that whoever owns the club wether it be JR,TB,DW we have a club for the future and the debt that this large amount of money could cause is not saddled onto the club in loans...
  We need to remember we are not a Rangers or Portsmouth with famous history or large fanbase..If we get saddled with huge debts and its doesn't work out..We wouldn't survive....
 

[SkellowRover]

I think they do Skellow, But i feel the information is abused (sometimes) in order in order to stroke ego's

It gotten out of hand some what.

Itd be interesting to see what the anti SC pro TB gang think of things if TB does agree a deal and walk...opening the door for a certain JR to be reinstated as Chairman by SC.

2 little snippets from PM's i sent to trusted people on another forum about a couple of events that have happened or are happening

This was from the day it happened, way before anybody new this and way before it was public knowledge over 12 months ago in regards to board member resignations/being forced out...

It seems the KM2 have got what they wanted and forced everyone out so they can do what they want

This is from aroud a year and a half ago...

The KM2 are just rubbing their hands together and waiting for the cash to start coming in from developments because now they don't have to put a penny into the club in terms of investment thanks to FFP and i have a feeling in my gut that JR wont be here come the end of the season.

Call me psychic or getting info from somewhere?

[IDM]

Why are you posting from PMs anyway?  Remind me, what does the P stand for?

[wing commander]

   If DB does do a deal with SC that's fine by me....As that would mean that issues have been agreed and he has the assurances that the club will not be put at risk by spending miles above what we can cope with if the prem push didn't work out...

[Rovers-on-Thames]

I'm still anti sc whether tb supports it or not. I think the club might be about to embark on a boom or shit era in which the long term future of the club is jeopardised.

[SkellowRover]

Why are you posting from PMs anyway?  Remind me, what does the P stand for?

Because the information isn't private anymore IDM, it's now common knowledge so i have no problem with it, after all they were messages i sent

[RobTheRover]

I think they do Skellow, But i feel the information is abused (sometimes) in order in order to stroke ego's

It gotten out of hand some what.

Itd be interesting to see what the anti SC pro TB gang think of things if TB does agree a deal and walk...opening the door for a certain JR to be reinstated as Chairman by SC.

Sam, none of the VSC board are Anti-JR or Pro-TB - We are all Pro-DRFC, though. 

In our view, the SC deal was not right for the club when the information was put to us.  We asked pertinent questions regarding it and received no assurances.  I would expect any supporters trust worth their salt would have done the same.  If those terms have subsequently changed then of course we would take the same approach and possibly come up with a different answer.

[wilts rover]

Skellow - so if the KM2 have got what they wanted, free control over access to development - why are they now selling out to SC?

Do you support the buy-out from SC? Does your source?

[steve@dcfd]

I think they do Skellow, But i feel the information is abused (sometimes) in order in order to stroke ego's

It gotten out of hand some what.

Itd be interesting to see what the anti SC pro TB gang think of things if TB does agree a deal and walk...opening the door for a certain JR to be reinstated as Chairman by SC.

Sam, none of the VSC board are Anti-JR or Pro-TB - We are all Pro-DRFC, though. 

In our view, the SC deal was not right for the club when the information was put to us.  We asked pertinent questions regarding it and received no assurances.  I would expect any supporters trust worth their salt would have done the same.  If those terms have subsequently changed then of course we would take the same approach and possibly come up with a different answer.

Rob the terms that have changed the money paid to the owners is being said to be paid up front now. How does that change the view on Sequentia, it says to me that some owners wanted their money up front before they leave.

[wilts rover]

Rob, SM, et al

Its all seeming pretty academic now. Rather than just trotting out the VSC is opposing the deal, if this news is true, which I have no reason to doubt, the VSC is going to have to forget what it opposes and come up with a strategy for dealing with Sequentia Capital and their representatives (should that be JR) for when they take over, pretty damn quick!

[Muttley]

Indeed as ever we'll look at the information, discuss and take it at its merits. If things have changed for a positive it's all good. If they haven't them clearly I'd still be concerned based on information from before.

Why is it "all good" just becuase some money is being paid up front?

There are still huge question marks over SC, their backers and their motives.

[Lipsy]

The clues are in the words: If things have changed for a positive it's all good. If they haven't then clearly I'd still be concerned based on information from before.

[RobTheRover]

Steve, I've stated many times the kind of question we asked and received no clarification.  Who is behind the money? What happens if we dont get to the Prem?  What happens if Sequentia pull out? etc, etc.

What the owners are looking for to sweeten the deal for themselves is none of our concern.  Our concern is that DRFC goes on long after JR, TB, me, you and everyone on here is pushing up daisies.

[roverssam1879]

I think they do Skellow, But i feel the information is abused (sometimes) in order in order to stroke ego's

It gotten out of hand some what.

Itd be interesting to see what the anti SC pro TB gang think of things if TB does agree a deal and walk...opening the door for a certain JR to be reinstated as Chairman by SC.

Sam, none of the VSC board are Anti-JR or Pro-TB - We are all Pro-DRFC, though. 

In our view, the SC deal was not right for the club when the information was put to us.  We asked pertinent questions regarding it and received no assurances.  I would expect any supporters trust worth their salt would have done the same.  If those terms have subsequently changed then of course we would take the same approach and possibly come up with a different answer.

I just do not understand why anyone feels the need to question the deal that JR was backing along with Trevor Milton.

surely his backing alone should be suffice for the likes of us!?

[IDM]

Sam, the original deal is questioned because the prospective owners were unknown as were their motives and plans.  The same questions would be asked of any proposed takeover?

I would hope that the board (whoever they are) asks these questions themselves, without necessarily needing to resort to the fanbase.