Scottish Independence

[IC1967]

RedJ you take pedantry to a new level. I suggest you take a simple challenge. The next time you go to Scotchland wear an England football shirt for the duration of your stay. I guarantee we will never see or hear from you ever again.

However if a Scotchman came to England and wore a Scotchland football shirt for the duration of his stay no one would bat an eyelid. He would be able to return safely to his homeland.

Do you think I'm right or wrong? A one word answer will do.

[Filo]

My mate went to Glasgow in an England cricket shirt, a Scotsman in a pub growled at him that cricket was a puffs game, my mate replied that was rich coming from a bloke wearing a skirt, he came back to England unharmed and friendly with a few Scotsmen

[BillyStubbsTears]

Mick! Mick! Mick!

Anybody in? You've stopped answering my straight questions again.

If RedJ went to Scotland in an England shirt and was beaten up, would it be  "The Scots" who did it?

PS

I'm running out of toes as well as fingers now Mick. Is it a New Year resolution of yours to stop answering straight questions?

[RedJ]

RedJ you take pedantry to a new level. I suggest you take a simple challenge. The next time you go to Scotchland wear an England football shirt for the duration of your stay. I guarantee we will never see or hear from you ever again.

However if a Scotchman came to England and wore a Scotchland football shirt for the duration of his stay no one would bat an eyelid. He would be able to return safely to his homeland.

Do you think I'm right or wrong? A one word answer will do.

Wrong.

Partly as I've worn an England shirt out in Aberdeen before. Next?


Besides, I don't know how you of all people can pick up on pedantry.

[wilts rover]

So we seem to have gone from 'all Scots hate anyone English' to 'if you are wearing an England football shirt in the wrong area on a Friday night there might be trouble'. If you are wearing a Rangers, Celtic, Hearts, Hibs, football shirt in the wrong area on a Friday night you might find trouble - so what does that prove?

[i_ateallthepies]

Mick, I think you'll find the only English the Scots hate are those who refer to them as Scotch.

[IC1967]

If RedJ went to Scotland in an England shirt and was beaten up, would it be  "The Scots" who did it?

Thats an easy question to answer. It would be the Scotch.

[IC1967]

My mate went to Glasgow in an England cricket shirt, a Scotsman in a pub growled at him that cricket was a puffs game, my mate replied that was rich coming from a bloke wearing a skirt, he came back to England unharmed and friendly with a few Scotsmen

He is the exception that proves the rule.

[RedJ]

I take it you've no response to what I said then.

[IC1967]

Wrong.

Partly as I've worn an England shirt out in Aberdeen before. Next?

You must be mad. It must have been very dark and you must have had it covered up with a coat or something. What you did was very reckless. Take my advice and don't do it again. You've had a very narrow escape. You won't be so lucky next time.

[RedJ]

Think what you like.

[IC1967]

I'll ask you again with no more hope of a cogent reply than ever: have you ever met "The Scots"?

The jury is out on that one. Though it appears you have already made your mind up. I offer up the following for your consideration:

http://www.electricscotland.com/history/articles/scotsirish.htm

[RedJ]

So who've you copied that off then?

[Filo]

Mick, you've been warned before about copy and pasting articles without providing the link, so here it is


http://www.electricscotland.com/history/articles/scotsirish.htm


Try and produce your own arguments
Mick, you look rather sad googling things all the time

[RedJ]

Mick, you look rather sad googling things all the time

As if regularly trolling the forum of a football team he obviously couldn't care less about didn't look sad enough.

[wilts rover]

Neil Lennon, the very Irish football manager has been attached and had death threats to his family by Scots.

Terry Butcher the very English football manager has not.

Therefore proving my point the Scots hate the Irish and dont care about the English.

Game, set...match.

[BillyStubbsTears]

Mick

Well done on your photographic memory. Unfortunately, it doesn't help to replace a lack of thinking.

To make it simple for you, I wasn't asking for a socio-historical treatise on The Scots.

I was asking whether you had met "The Scots" as as a plural. As an all-embracing collective. Or whether you had met "some Scots".

Actually, we all know that in reality you never leave your bedroom, so I suspect you've never met "any Scots".

[Wild Rover]

I'll ask you again with no more hope of a cogent reply than ever: have you ever met "The Scots"?

There is no evidence in the archaeo­logical record for any population movement from Ireland to Scotland, other than travel by occasional individuals.

In modern use, "Scottish people" or "Scots" is used to refer to anyone whose linguistic, cultural, family ancestral or genetic origins are from within Scotland. The Latin word Scotti originally applied to a particular, 5th century, Goidelic tribe that inhabited Ireland.

[The Red Baron]

My mate went to Glasgow in an England cricket shirt, a Scotsman in a pub growled at him that cricket was a puffs game, my mate replied that was rich coming from a bloke wearing a skirt, he came back to England unharmed and friendly with a few Scotsmen

That kind of ties in with my experience of dealing with Scots people when in Scotland. Rather like Aussies, they think of the English as stuck-up toffs, but if you're prepared to have a bit of friendly banter with them, they are usually OK with you.

[IC1967]

Neil Lennon, the very Irish football manager has been attached and had death threats to his family by Scots.

Terry Butcher the very English football manager has not.

Therefore proving my point the Scots hate the Irish and dont care about the English.

Game, set...match.

I think you are mistaking some Protestant football fans as being wholly representative of the Scotch. They are not. It is true that some Scotch protestants hate the Irish but only because they are Catholic. Most Scotch love the Irish as the two nations have many cultural ties.

If the Scotch don't care about the English can you explain away the real life experiences of BFYP and Rios? Don't bother replying as you won't be able to.

[BillyStubbsTears]

I've just stumbled across this quote from the great German poet Freidrich Schiller. I wonder if he ever sparred with Mick?

"Folly, thou conquerest, and I must yield!
Against stupidity the very gods
Themselves contend in vain."

[Filo]

Neil Lennon, the very Irish football manager has been attached and had death threats to his family by Scots.

Terry Butcher the very English football manager has not.

Therefore proving my point the Scots hate the Irish and dont care about the English.

Game, set...match.

I think you are mistaking some Protestant football fans as being wholly representative of the Scotch. They are not. It is true that some Scotch protestants hate the Irish but only because they are Catholic. Most Scotch love the Irish as the two nations have many cultural ties.

If the Scotch don't care about the English can you explain away the real life experiences of BFYP and Rios? Don't bother replying as you won't be able to.

That's easy Mick, I'll use one of your in depth explanations



They are the exeptions that prove the rule

[Wild Rover]

2 of my 4 friends are Scots, 3 of the 4 girls I slept with are Scots. If there is so much hatred Why do so many Scotsmen and Scotswomen marry English folk.

[Rios]

Seems my post has been taken to mean whatever your agenda wants it too.  Maybe I should have been a bit clearer.  Those of us who live here or have english friends are far less likely to "hate" the English than those of my family who have lived in the same town all their lives and don't interact with them.  It's the same reason people fear all muslims are terrorists, all working class people are dole scrounging chavs and all gay men fancy all straight men.  All proposterous and fear and hatred born out of ignorance rather than finding out what someone (or a particular group of people) are like before judging them.

I'd also point out seeing as the footy shirt (which was a throw away comment) has become so important, that I would never wear any of my Scotland shirts to an English football league ground.  I'd like to think it wouldn't be a problem, but it only takes one dick with alcohol in him (as they would have on a Friday night in Glasgow) to prove me wrong.

[Sprotyrover]

Couple of things I need to point out,Billy the Germans did not lose the First World War, they were not beaten but their leaders signed a very unfavorable Armistice agreement,which left a very bitter taste in their mouths which certain persons later exploited.
And Mick, Edward the First did not have it in for the Scots, He was consistent in treatng everybody like something he had just trodden in!
He persecuted the Jews, Persecuted the Welsh ,the Scots and his own
English and French subjects, he was a 'Great and terrible King' the book by that title is a superb read,you just have to admire him for being consistent.!

[BillyStubbsTears]

Sproty

They signed an Armistice because they had been routed in the field and their troops were devastated by the flu pandemic. They tried holding out for better terms but the Allies threatened to resume hostilities and the Germans knew that they would be pushed back over the border and have the western part of the country occupied. Their main ally, Austro-Hungary was effectively out of the war after having its army smashed by Italy at Vittorio-Veneto and leading Germans (Prince Rupprecht for example)  thought that the German army would not be able to hold out over the winter. In fact, that is as near to a military defeat as makes no odds. But of course, the fact that they hadn't been pushed back into German, and their own towns and villages occupied made a useful foundation for you-know-who's myth making later. Just like Robbie Burns and that devious t**t Salmond can play the card that Scotland would always have been alright if only they hadn't let England bail them out in 1701 and take them over in 1707.

It's the exactly the same trick that folk use when they say, "Ah well, if Brown hadn't bailed out the banks and borrowed for stimulus in 08-10, we'd now be OK". Its counterfactual myth making that tells some people what they most want to hear, without having the responsibility of ever having had to put your own policy into action at the time.

[Malc Morling]

Has Doncaster as not been handed back over to England does that mean we can vote as well???

[Wild Rover]

Has and as need swapping MM