Scottish Independence

[Filo]

Did Trevelyn ship some of your lot off to Botany Bay Mick?

[IC1967]

That last post of yours BST makes you sound like a right old codger. Referring to me as lad is ridiculous. I'm old enough to be a grand dad.

[IC1967]

Botany Bay was another example of English barbarism. I'm glad I'm not considered as English. It would be so embarrassing having to explain the history of England. I'd be at a total loss for words which is most unlike me.

[IC1967]

Wilts, all you have to do is watch the first 10 minutes of Braveheart. I'm beginning to think you've never heard of William Wallace and what drove him to give the English a good kicking (with the help of the Irish).

[Orlandokarla]

In which centuries did 'the English treat them like second class citizens', what land was given away and which English land owners were given it?

I refer you to my previous post. Have you watched the first 10 minutes of Braveheart yet? It's surprising how much you can learn about history by watching films.

 
http://thehande.wordpress.com/2011/12/05/braveheart-the-10-historical-inaccuracies-you-need-to-know-before-watching-the-movie/

[Wild Rover]

That last post of yours BST makes you sound like a right old codger. Referring to me as lad is ridiculous. I'm old enough to be a grand dad.

Stating the obvious , you could have fathered a son or daughter at 18 ( or less ) and your off spring similar. so you could be between 32 and 36, whilst BST may be much older.

[BillyStubbsTears]

Age is irrelevant. Attitude is telling. Mick comes across like a precocious 12 year old who knows, just KNOWS how everything works but who has no comprehension of the complexity of the real world, or the difficulties that extremely talented and able people have to face when struggling with complex problems.

For a precocious 12 year old, everything is simple if only people would see it like they do.

[IC1967]

I stand by my comment. You sound like a patronising old codger. You are obviously unaware of this so I have done you a favour in pointing it out. You do yourself no favours by using such language. This way of speaking may have been OK in the 1950's but is certainly not now.

I don't mind you calling me lad (you've called me a lot worse in the past). Again I don't mind, you can call me what you like. It's water off a ducks back.

[IC1967]

Wild Rover. My age is irrelevant. If I was 12 it would still make BST sound like a patronising old codger. As a betting man I would be certain BST is old. It's obvious. Whereas I have successfully shaken off the appearance of being old by keeping my use of language modern and contemporary.

I'm merely trying to help BST come into the 21st century and not to be old before his time.

[BillyStubbsTears]

Go on Mick. Since you're a gambling man, I'll add add a tenner to our earlier bet if you get my age right to within 5 years.

PS. While we're on about betting, you never did reply to my challenge about opinion polls did you? Strange for a man who prides himself on always answering direct questions. The challenge still stands if you're man enough to take it.

[RedJ]

keeping my use of language modern and contemporary.

Aye, bloody marvellous what you can pick up on that word hippo, eh...

[IC1967]

Look Billy, make your mind up  Am I a lad or am I a man? 'Old' is a wide ranging term. My definition of old is probably different to yours. A young person can think being old starts at 30. A 50 year old can think being old starts at 70. We all have a different view to what old is. So guessing your age to within 5 years is not really relevant.

You talk like an old man. My definition of being old is someone who acts like they are 70 and above. I would not be surprised if you were considerably younger than this.

However your use of language is what I'd expect from someone who is 70 and above. Therefore that is why I consider you to be 'old'. IMHO you are not yet 70 but you certainly act like it with the patronising, condescending way you talk down to people.

You could try my method of being straight to the point in a fair and somewhat pugnacious manner. This should knock years off you. Unless I told people my age, I guarantee they would think I was young. You on the other hand leave no doubt at all as to how you are perceived, and that is old.

[BillyStubbsTears]

Right. That's two questions dodged in one post. Nice one Mick.

[IC1967]

I think you'll find I've more than answered your age question. I am not going to pretend I could guess your age to within 5 years because I can't. IMHO that was a silly question.

At this stage I feel I must revise my earlier statement that I will answer any question that is thrown at me. I believe I am unrivaled on this forum for answering anything that is thrown at me. I wish I could say the same of others. However there is the very odd occasion when I don't answer a question. If I don't, then you can all assume that I view the question as not worthy of response.

This could be for a number of reasons, but the main one would be that the questioner is going off at a tangent to the thread. For example what on earth has your age got to do with a debate on Scotch Independence? What on earth has a question on polls got to do with Scotch Independence?

[BillyStubbsTears]

You raised the issue of age. And you're a gambling man with a proud tradition of always giving straight answers to straight questions.

Except when you don't.
Like the other gambling question I've now asked you about on 5 separate occasions and you haven't once addressed. 

[IC1967]

Billy, I was just doing you a favour by raising the question of age. I know it was a bit off topic but I felt you were making yourself look a lot older than you probably are. All I was trying to do was point this out to you so people would not carry on laughing behind your back at your 'old man' remarks.

So I'd be grateful if you'd just thank me for this advice and let's get back to debating Scotch Independence.

[BillyStubbsTears]

Six times

Here was the first time I asked you. Bottom of this post.

http://www.drfc-vsc.co.uk/index.php?topic=242903.msg397598#msg397598

Are you going to ignore it again?

[Filo]

Six times

Here was the first time I asked you. Bottom of this post.

http://www.drfc-vsc.co.uk/index.php?topic=242903.msg397598#msg397598

Are you going to ignore it again?

He's sucked you in again BST, you know he won't give you a straight answer, I don't know why you bother with him, it must be tireing making him look stupid time after time, I'm still waiting for him to reveal the affluent area he lives in, I'm not holding my breath, the man is clearly a fruitcake!

[BillyStubbsTears]

I'm working on the assumption that he didn't spot the original post Filo. Or the 5 reminders.

It's very much unlike Mick not to reply to a straight question though. Strange.

[wilts rover]

Wilts, all you have to do is watch the first 10 minutes of Braveheart. I'm beginning to think you've never heard of William Wallace and what drove him to give the English a good kicking (with the help of the Irish).

So the Scots liked the Irish so much they decided to colonise it and deny native Irish rights in that area, nice payback chaps.

[IC1967]

Just for you Wilts as you seem to be in denial as to why the Scotch hate the English is a brief history from the 13th century.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/scotland/history/articles/the_wars_of_independence/

[Orlandokarla]

Just for you Wilts as you seem to be in denial as to why the Scotch hate the English is a brief history from the 13th century.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/scotland/history/articles/the_wars_of_independence/

It was 800 years ago. I imagine most people are over it by now.

[RedJ]

By his logic we still all hate the Germans...

[Orlandokarla]

By his logic we still all hate the Germans...

I never did get over Hastings, and don't get me started on the bloody Danes.

[scaley back rover]

By his logic we still all hate the Germans...

tbf they did bomb our chippy

[BillyStubbsTears]

Hengist and Horsa.

They come over here. Bloody European scroungers looking for work.  They take our houses, our jobs. Before you know it, they want to run the bloody place.

[IC1967]

You won't find me buying a German car.

[Filo]

What car do you own Mick?

[IC1967]

Look, this thread is getting very silly. May I suggest we all try and get it back on track. Thank you in anticipation for your cooperation in this matter. 

[Filo]

Do you ever consider it might be just swivel-eyed loonies like you that they don't like?

I think you're the one with the eye problem looking at your avatar! The Scotch I've met and worked with actually like me because they know what my ancestry is. They don't regard me as English. They know I can relate to the unspeakable crimes committed by the English on the Scotch and my ancestors.

By your reasoning Mick, Edward 1st was a plantagenet king, so we should n't regard him as English, we know his ancestry, the Jocks should be hating the French really, but instead jumped into bed with them against the English, who in theory hadn't done anything to them