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Quote from: DonnyBazR0ver on March 12, 2014, 06:45:04 pmFrom a neutral perspective, you can understand if there is evidence of unruly behaviour in that section then the club want to nip it in the bud before it gets out of hand. Moreover, I'm sure you're all aware, policing costs can be a high burden on the club.I'm sure, in one form or another we support a singing section however, as said above if this is being used as an excuse for unruly behaviour and to intimidate away fans, then those in favour of it need to understand the difference between this and creating an atmosphere. The two are not the same. I've always maintained the South Stand is the best place to grow a kop/singing section, call it what you like. Creating a good atmosphere in a ground takes much more than this though. Why isn't more done then to stop away fans doing the same thing? The way the Barnsley fans were allowed to continually throw things into the home fans without anyone being ejected was disgusting.
From a neutral perspective, you can understand if there is evidence of unruly behaviour in that section then the club want to nip it in the bud before it gets out of hand. Moreover, I'm sure you're all aware, policing costs can be a high burden on the club.I'm sure, in one form or another we support a singing section however, as said above if this is being used as an excuse for unruly behaviour and to intimidate away fans, then those in favour of it need to understand the difference between this and creating an atmosphere. The two are not the same. I've always maintained the South Stand is the best place to grow a kop/singing section, call it what you like. Creating a good atmosphere in a ground takes much more than this though.
Quote from: MrFrost on March 12, 2014, 07:08:08 pmQuote from: DonnyBazR0ver on March 12, 2014, 06:45:04 pmFrom a neutral perspective, you can understand if there is evidence of unruly behaviour in that section then the club want to nip it in the bud before it gets out of hand. Moreover, I'm sure you're all aware, policing costs can be a high burden on the club.I'm sure, in one form or another we support a singing section however, as said above if this is being used as an excuse for unruly behaviour and to intimidate away fans, then those in favour of it need to understand the difference between this and creating an atmosphere. The two are not the same. I've always maintained the South Stand is the best place to grow a kop/singing section, call it what you like. Creating a good atmosphere in a ground takes much more than this though. Why isn't more done then to stop away fans doing the same thing? The way the Barnsley fans were allowed to continually throw things into the home fans without anyone being ejected was disgusting.Mr Frost,If you must ask questions of this nature then at least pay attention to the responses you get, it would help. When you raised this after the Barnsley game I, and a couple of others, told you that the culprits had all been identified and arrested as they left the stadium. 7 Barnsley fans are currently facing Police charges and have had their season tickets suspended pending banning orders.Why is everything you write slanted in a negative way to either DRFC or it's supporters? I do find it odd.
Quote from: silent majority on March 12, 2014, 08:19:24 pmQuote from: MrFrost on March 12, 2014, 07:08:08 pmQuote from: DonnyBazR0ver on March 12, 2014, 06:45:04 pmFrom a neutral perspective, you can understand if there is evidence of unruly behaviour in that section then the club want to nip it in the bud before it gets out of hand. Moreover, I'm sure you're all aware, policing costs can be a high burden on the club.I'm sure, in one form or another we support a singing section however, as said above if this is being used as an excuse for unruly behaviour and to intimidate away fans, then those in favour of it need to understand the difference between this and creating an atmosphere. The two are not the same. I've always maintained the South Stand is the best place to grow a kop/singing section, call it what you like. Creating a good atmosphere in a ground takes much more than this though. Why isn't more done then to stop away fans doing the same thing? The way the Barnsley fans were allowed to continually throw things into the home fans without anyone being ejected was disgusting.Mr Frost,If you must ask questions of this nature then at least pay attention to the responses you get, it would help. When you raised this after the Barnsley game I, and a couple of others, told you that the culprits had all been identified and arrested as they left the stadium. 7 Barnsley fans are currently facing Police charges and have had their season tickets suspended pending banning orders.Why is everything you write slanted in a negative way to either DRFC or it's supporters? I do find it odd.Why weren't they ejected during the game is my question?
So a week on Saturday when we play Sheffield Wednesday will we not have as many police and stewards if we don't have a singing section? No because there will be 4000 away fans there anyway. Let them in the corner have their banter, it's part of football. It just seems nowadays at the KM we just want 7000 home fans sat down behaving. Look at Manchester United this season. Doing everything they can to promote this and to accommodate their more rowdier fans and groups of lads.Removing this is just going to push away these groups of lads having them spread around the ground sat quietly from attending.I know so many people who only go to away games because of this.
Look at Manchester United this season. Doing everything they can to promote this and to accommodate their more rowdier fans and groups of lads.
Our away support is also much more better away from home, the point is here about MUFC at Old Trafford, not away from home...Its 15 years too late because their most passionate fans left Old Trafford and what has become Sky FC to form FC United of Manchester in 2005, but it was in the pipeline long before that when BSkyB were looking to takeover the club.They have great away support because most of the FCUM fans still support them away, they just refuse to go to Old Trafford...
First off, a lot of the "prawn sandwich brigade" have been there and dunnit before you were born; they stood on terraces for years and if it's there choice to sit now, separate from the singers, they've earned that choice.DRFC are trying to cater to all fans, hence allowing the trial of the singing section.The keepmoat SHOULD NOT be an uncomfortable place to come for away fans and the modern game will not allow it. And I'm sure you've done plenty of research on this but just because you write that we need fans with intimidating & tribal attitudes, it doesn't mean it's actually true (although I don't find 100 or so young teenagers taking their shoes off that intimidating in the slightest, but I digress). In fact, most of the fans who are complaining about this and that on facebook would have been under 10 when we were still at Belle-Vue, which speaks volumes when they try and compare OBV with the Keepmoat.And if DRFC were simply a corporate money machine, wouldn't we be charged the sort of prices you see at Leeds, with all their tribal, amazing fans? Who are really the fans getting bent over?
As far as I'm concerned, the atmosphere is a lot worse at the keepmoat. What happened to the main stand gobshites? what happened to the 200 or so at the centre of the pop terrace?
Quote from: Boomstick on March 13, 2014, 11:03:24 amAs far as I'm concerned, the atmosphere is a lot worse at the keepmoat. What happened to the main stand gobshites? what happened to the 200 or so at the centre of the pop terrace?it's all rose tinted though. For many, many games as a youngster I stood in the Town end and the place was that quiet my dad could shout at me not to wander off, safe in the knowledge I could clearly here him.
Quote from: bobjimwilly on March 13, 2014, 11:09:24 amQuote from: Boomstick on March 13, 2014, 11:03:24 amAs far as I'm concerned, the atmosphere is a lot worse at the keepmoat. What happened to the main stand gobshites? what happened to the 200 or so at the centre of the pop terrace?it's all rose tinted though. For many, many games as a youngster I stood in the Town end and the place was that quiet my dad could shout at me not to wander off, safe in the knowledge I could clearly here him.It's not rose tints, on the pop terrace where I stood, the atmosphere was a lot better. that could be anything from chants, to lone gobshites gobbing off. At the keepmoat everyone just sits there waiting to be entertained, and it's become all very dull.
Quote from: Boomstick on March 13, 2014, 11:14:39 amQuote from: bobjimwilly on March 13, 2014, 11:09:24 amQuote from: Boomstick on March 13, 2014, 11:03:24 amAs far as I'm concerned, the atmosphere is a lot worse at the keepmoat. What happened to the main stand gobshites? what happened to the 200 or so at the centre of the pop terrace?it's all rose tinted though. For many, many games as a youngster I stood in the Town end and the place was that quiet my dad could shout at me not to wander off, safe in the knowledge I could clearly here him.It's not rose tints, on the pop terrace where I stood, the atmosphere was a lot better. that could be anything from chants, to lone gobshites gobbing off. At the keepmoat everyone just sits there waiting to be entertained, and it's become all very dull. That's what you get with designated seating. The people haven't changed, just the way the stadium is organised.