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If someone started swearing and using threatening behaviour in a pub, would you;1) Bar the person from the premises.2) Tell him to sit somewhere else.3) Declare the table he was sat at out of bounds for future patrons.Of course the obvious answer is (or should be!) number one. Number 2 simply moves the trouble to a different part of the pub, and number 3 just reduces the capacity of the pub.I think it’s common sense really.......
Quote from: Filo on March 18, 2014, 05:29:38 pmQuote from: Tokyos Boot on March 18, 2014, 04:43:11 pmQuote from: MrFrost on March 18, 2014, 03:17:08 pmQuote from: wing commander on March 18, 2014, 03:12:50 pm To be fair I cant blame them really...The club have worked hard to get the Police bill down but incidents like Huddersfield wont help their case one bit...Some of them seem quite happy to want to meet there own fellow fans for a ruck so would the club really want them next to the oppositions..no of course they wouldn't...Obviousley they represent only a small minority of fans who want the singing section but a few bad apples always spoil the Barrell...Its the guys who took part in the experiment for all the right reasons who I feel sorry for because once again the mindless few spoil it for everyone else....The incidents were a flash in the pan. Nothing more and I've heard of far worse happening on match days. It's an excuse for them to ditch it pure and simple. Ahh just read as well no new season tickets will be sold in that area either so it appears they've drastically reduced the number of cat c season tickets available. Bravo.Top post MrFrost, you're right!!The club are using an isolated, outside of the stadium incident by a very small group of idiots to pin a well banded around stereotype onto a project dreamt up by a larger group of positive and pro-active people who are trying to create a bit of an atmosphere around the place!I think the way the club are going about this will be a nail in the coffin of our hopes of having any continual atmosphere in the KMS, the club, the stewards, the 'policing budget' and a lot of the more pedantic season ticket holders just don't seem to be willing to accommodate it.They should do a match-day experience survey amongst KMS visitors, if they could mark a simple 'atmosphere' 1-10 mark on their way out how do you think we'd score? 1, maybe 2 at a push?Will you be attending the meeting to air your concerns?Yeah, shall i keep an eye out for you? I've no idea what you look like, but i'll know which table has you, Glyn, Silent Majority and BigCol on it by you all rimming each other...
Quote from: Tokyos Boot on March 18, 2014, 04:43:11 pmQuote from: MrFrost on March 18, 2014, 03:17:08 pmQuote from: wing commander on March 18, 2014, 03:12:50 pm To be fair I cant blame them really...The club have worked hard to get the Police bill down but incidents like Huddersfield wont help their case one bit...Some of them seem quite happy to want to meet there own fellow fans for a ruck so would the club really want them next to the oppositions..no of course they wouldn't...Obviousley they represent only a small minority of fans who want the singing section but a few bad apples always spoil the Barrell...Its the guys who took part in the experiment for all the right reasons who I feel sorry for because once again the mindless few spoil it for everyone else....The incidents were a flash in the pan. Nothing more and I've heard of far worse happening on match days. It's an excuse for them to ditch it pure and simple. Ahh just read as well no new season tickets will be sold in that area either so it appears they've drastically reduced the number of cat c season tickets available. Bravo.Top post MrFrost, you're right!!The club are using an isolated, outside of the stadium incident by a very small group of idiots to pin a well banded around stereotype onto a project dreamt up by a larger group of positive and pro-active people who are trying to create a bit of an atmosphere around the place!I think the way the club are going about this will be a nail in the coffin of our hopes of having any continual atmosphere in the KMS, the club, the stewards, the 'policing budget' and a lot of the more pedantic season ticket holders just don't seem to be willing to accommodate it.They should do a match-day experience survey amongst KMS visitors, if they could mark a simple 'atmosphere' 1-10 mark on their way out how do you think we'd score? 1, maybe 2 at a push?Will you be attending the meeting to air your concerns?
Quote from: MrFrost on March 18, 2014, 03:17:08 pmQuote from: wing commander on March 18, 2014, 03:12:50 pm To be fair I cant blame them really...The club have worked hard to get the Police bill down but incidents like Huddersfield wont help their case one bit...Some of them seem quite happy to want to meet there own fellow fans for a ruck so would the club really want them next to the oppositions..no of course they wouldn't...Obviousley they represent only a small minority of fans who want the singing section but a few bad apples always spoil the Barrell...Its the guys who took part in the experiment for all the right reasons who I feel sorry for because once again the mindless few spoil it for everyone else....The incidents were a flash in the pan. Nothing more and I've heard of far worse happening on match days. It's an excuse for them to ditch it pure and simple. Ahh just read as well no new season tickets will be sold in that area either so it appears they've drastically reduced the number of cat c season tickets available. Bravo.Top post MrFrost, you're right!!The club are using an isolated, outside of the stadium incident by a very small group of idiots to pin a well banded around stereotype onto a project dreamt up by a larger group of positive and pro-active people who are trying to create a bit of an atmosphere around the place!I think the way the club are going about this will be a nail in the coffin of our hopes of having any continual atmosphere in the KMS, the club, the stewards, the 'policing budget' and a lot of the more pedantic season ticket holders just don't seem to be willing to accommodate it.They should do a match-day experience survey amongst KMS visitors, if they could mark a simple 'atmosphere' 1-10 mark on their way out how do you think we'd score? 1, maybe 2 at a push?
Quote from: wing commander on March 18, 2014, 03:12:50 pm To be fair I cant blame them really...The club have worked hard to get the Police bill down but incidents like Huddersfield wont help their case one bit...Some of them seem quite happy to want to meet there own fellow fans for a ruck so would the club really want them next to the oppositions..no of course they wouldn't...Obviousley they represent only a small minority of fans who want the singing section but a few bad apples always spoil the Barrell...Its the guys who took part in the experiment for all the right reasons who I feel sorry for because once again the mindless few spoil it for everyone else....The incidents were a flash in the pan. Nothing more and I've heard of far worse happening on match days. It's an excuse for them to ditch it pure and simple. Ahh just read as well no new season tickets will be sold in that area either so it appears they've drastically reduced the number of cat c season tickets available. Bravo.
To be fair I cant blame them really...The club have worked hard to get the Police bill down but incidents like Huddersfield wont help their case one bit...Some of them seem quite happy to want to meet there own fellow fans for a ruck so would the club really want them next to the oppositions..no of course they wouldn't...Obviousley they represent only a small minority of fans who want the singing section but a few bad apples always spoil the Barrell...Its the guys who took part in the experiment for all the right reasons who I feel sorry for because once again the mindless few spoil it for everyone else....
Quote from: Bentley Bullet on March 18, 2014, 08:23:30 pmIf someone started swearing and using threatening behaviour in a pub, would you;1) Bar the person from the premises.2) Tell him to sit somewhere else.3) Declare the table he was sat at out of bounds for future patrons.Of course the obvious answer is (or should be!) number one. Number 2 simply moves the trouble to a different part of the pub, and number 3 just reduces the capacity of the pub.I think it’s common sense really.......Pub culture and football culture arent exactly the same though are they? Try this analogy - if a regular had a few too many and started having a dance and annoying a few punters despite most of the other punters enjoying his behaviour and agreeing the pub needs a bit more life to it... Would you bar that punter for life?Depends if your running a life and soul, loud and proud pub or a quiet wine bar doesnt it!
Quote from: Tokyos Boot on March 18, 2014, 08:48:49 pmQuote from: Filo on March 18, 2014, 05:29:38 pmQuote from: Tokyos Boot on March 18, 2014, 04:43:11 pmQuote from: MrFrost on March 18, 2014, 03:17:08 pmQuote from: wing commander on March 18, 2014, 03:12:50 pm To be fair I cant blame them really...The club have worked hard to get the Police bill down but incidents like Huddersfield wont help their case one bit...Some of them seem quite happy to want to meet there own fellow fans for a ruck so would the club really want them next to the oppositions..no of course they wouldn't...Obviousley they represent only a small minority of fans who want the singing section but a few bad apples always spoil the Barrell...Its the guys who took part in the experiment for all the right reasons who I feel sorry for because once again the mindless few spoil it for everyone else....The incidents were a flash in the pan. Nothing more and I've heard of far worse happening on match days. It's an excuse for them to ditch it pure and simple. Ahh just read as well no new season tickets will be sold in that area either so it appears they've drastically reduced the number of cat c season tickets available. Bravo.Top post MrFrost, you're right!!The club are using an isolated, outside of the stadium incident by a very small group of idiots to pin a well banded around stereotype onto a project dreamt up by a larger group of positive and pro-active people who are trying to create a bit of an atmosphere around the place!I think the way the club are going about this will be a nail in the coffin of our hopes of having any continual atmosphere in the KMS, the club, the stewards, the 'policing budget' and a lot of the more pedantic season ticket holders just don't seem to be willing to accommodate it.They should do a match-day experience survey amongst KMS visitors, if they could mark a simple 'atmosphere' 1-10 mark on their way out how do you think we'd score? 1, maybe 2 at a push?Will you be attending the meeting to air your concerns?Yeah, shall i keep an eye out for you? I've no idea what you look like, but i'll know which table has you, Glyn, Silent Majority and BigCol on it by you all rimming each other... No, i'll not be there, I haven't got an axe to grind either way. I actually feel sorry for the lads that have put time and effort into getting this initiative off the ground, it's a great initiative that has been spoiled by a small minority, I hope some common ground can be found as a result of the meeting. You seemed to have already come to your conclusions about how things will proceed before the meeting has taken place, which in all fairness is not being helpful, take your thoughts and ideas to the meeting, have some dialogue first before you have your rant, you never know the club might just be receptive to your ideas and opinions.
Tokyo,How come my name is brought into this? Or do you feel you can just insult people at will and with no justification?
They should do a match-day experience survey amongst KMS visitors, if they could mark a simple 'atmosphere' 1-10 mark on their way out how do you think we'd score? 1, maybe 2 at a push?
Stick the singing fans as far away from the away fans and the noise has proven it doesnt travel and all you get it the odd in game 'come on you reds' and the pre match stuff. Cue criticism for terrible atmosphere, away fans leave having had none of the fun interaction they paid and travelled for!
Quote from: silent majority on March 18, 2014, 09:34:49 pmTokyo,How come my name is brought into this? Or do you feel you can just insult people at will and with no justification?Sorry - to be fair you do a good job at being reasonably subjective... They just tend to fawn over everything you post on here too! More the rimmee than the rimmer
And as for reconvening on HERE, thats the issue - realistically this forum represents the views of i'd guess about 15% of the supporters... And its only the ones who agree with the other posters who can be arsed to stick around through all the mud slinging! So it generates a mutual back patters branch of judgemental decision makers who think they know the needs of all of our support!
realistically this forum represents the views of i'd guess about 15% of the supporters
Talk me through the part where I looked down upon this nameless demographic.
Are you categorising Frosty as a lout then?I think he's many things, but not a lout. My gripes with him are around his constant negativity about ticket sales. Year after year, the same shit. He's got lots of secret solutions apparently, but no time, other than the year after year he spends on here, to do anything about them.(Loved your stuff about rimming. Really helped your argument)
gColSutherland link=topic=245072.msg429423#msg429423 date=1395182471]Tokyos Boot. I'm glad we've got you acting as a sort of juvenile conduit, translating the views of social media stalwarts into ideas that society as a whole can digest.If you want to sit with us that would be great. Presumably you'd prefer to chuck your seat at someone, but hopefully you can keep your "passion" in check for an hour or so.
Quote from: BigColSutherland on March 18, 2014, 11:14:51 pmAre you categorising Frosty as a lout then?I think he's many things, but not a lout. My gripes with him are around his constant negativity about ticket sales. Year after year, the same shit. He's got lots of secret solutions apparently, but no time, other than the year after year he spends on here, to do anything about them.(Loved your stuff about rimming. Really helped your argument)Many things? Such as?
Its no coincidence our away following is pound for pound miles more popular than our home, it is because it allows people a taste of what its like to be allowed to support your club loud and proud without being scoffed at or treat like an animal.
Well, financially they are probably a much better asset. Granted, that money isn't given 'pre-budget', but we're talking about a potential market of die-hards who (if nurtured) may give another 50, 60 years of their money to the club...Also, if they don't have season tickets but still go to most games, they probably contribute more through bad maths!!!
Plus, how many of these 15 year olds do you see kitted out with Rovers shirts, tracksuits, training tops etc.?
That beats a lot of the new fangled fine-weather season ticket holders who we unearthed with our rebrand once we'd moved to our new sanitary stadium, and a much more watch-able position in the league.
I think we're talking about a social problem more than anything, its a classic case of grumpy old folks misunderstanding a generation and feeling intimidated by it!
Its the 'banter'... the chance to do something with all their mates, to have a laugh, to take the piss, to act a bit naughty and to get a buzz off of feeling a part of an army of supporters, beating their chest and holding the mast high!
I'm 18, none of my mates support Rovers, yet I still attend pretty much every game. I'm perfectly capable of enjoying my self, singing songs, without behaving like a dick, threatening away fans, throwing flares and wearing a tracksuit.