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We'll see how much regard the club holds these supporters in at this meeting tonight won't we
Plus, i said culturally, not financially. (even though i believe they are that too)...We won't appeal to the next culture of youngsters unless we give them something worth paying to go do every saturday - and the fact of the matter is, the football alone isn't what gets teens going to these matches! Its the 'banter'... the chance to do something with all their mates, to have a laugh, to take the piss, to act a bit naughty and to get a buzz off of feeling a part of an army of supporters, beating their chest and holding the mast high!If we aren't going to provide that at the KMS then we will continue to see them fall by the wayside and support clubs like Leeds and Wendies who have demonstrated a bit more leniancy when it comes to football lads culture!Its no coincidence our away following is pound for pound miles more popular than our home, it is because it allows people a taste of what its like to be allowed to support your club loud and proud without being scoffed at or treat like an animal.
For those who don't want it in the North West. Can you tell me an alternative place for it please?
Quote from: StickToTheRules_61 on March 19, 2014, 11:43:22 amFor those who don't want it in the North West. Can you tell me an alternative place for it please?First few rows of the South Stand. Lots of room there.
Welcome to football club supporting, lesson one:Put down your petitions and polls, stand up and follow the lead:It works like this:Fans chant a bit of support for their team pre match, a few players names etc.Away fans chant an insult a few mins in - e.g. "empty seats, everywhere"..."i wanna go home" etc.Home fans respond - "Yorkshire, yorkshire" "Its nice to know your here etc."Throw in a bit of regional banter, the odd funny chant about a fat fan or another social commentary, the odd game related chant etc. Etc.They chant directed at you, you chant in response or vice versa.Stick the singing fans as far away from the away fans and the noise has proven it doesnt travel and all you get is the odd in game 'come on you reds' on corners and the pre match stuff. Cue criticism for terrible atmosphere, away fans leave having not heard any chants, and had none of the fun interaction they paid and travelled for!
Quote from: BigColSutherland on March 19, 2014, 11:49:03 amQuote from: StickToTheRules_61 on March 19, 2014, 11:43:22 amFor those who don't want it in the North West. Can you tell me an alternative place for it please?First few rows of the South Stand. Lots of room there.But you can't act like a hero that far away from the away fans.
Quote from: StickToTheRules_61 on March 19, 2014, 11:43:22 amFor those who don't want it in the North West. Can you tell me an alternative place for it please?Why not keep the singing section in the N/W corner & restrict the away fans by means of covering a section of seats with the black cloth they use in the away end corner? To therefore create a nuetral zone,fans could still have the banter but it would reduce the risk of objects,plastic bottles,coins been thrown in either direction.I am aware this would reduce income for the club for the games against Boro,Leeds & Wednesday but for Barnsley,Huddersfield,Leicester etc...we could give them 75% behind the goal(north stand)plus the section of the east we already give to clubs with the larger following.This may also reduce the need for extra policing inside the stadium,a row of stewards either side of the cloth?Not an easy one for the club to try & keep everyone happy, season ticket holders,those who want to sing ,the next generation of fans & the police.
a couple of good suggestions above. I doubt the club would choose to block off more away seats in the north west corner that they make available for a singing section however.I think this whole situation is a storm in a tea-cup tbh, and I really don't understand where this thread of us losing fans all of a sudden is coming from? We've been at the keepmoat for 7 years now. Where did all the singers sits before? Why would they watch the Rovers for all these years at home, to then jack it all in because they can't sit (in big numbers) close to the away end?I also echo the statement above about hearing the North stand from the south east corner; if away fans can make that much noise, in such small numbers sometimes, why can't the "singers" make the same noise from the South Stand?
Surely having 2 sets of fans close together (but not close enough to trade blows) is a good thing?
Quote from: StickToTheRules_61 on March 19, 2014, 01:25:38 pmSurely having 2 sets of fans close together (but not close enough to trade blows) is a good thing?Just close enough to chuck things at each other?
Quote from: BigColSutherland on March 19, 2014, 01:28:35 pmQuote from: StickToTheRules_61 on March 19, 2014, 01:25:38 pmSurely having 2 sets of fans close together (but not close enough to trade blows) is a good thing?Just close enough to chuck things at each other?Funny, I never saw the club or Police make such a big deal of things when our fans and Milwall fans were brawling in the corner a few years ago.
Quote from: MrFrost on March 19, 2014, 01:35:44 pmQuote from: BigColSutherland on March 19, 2014, 01:28:35 pmQuote from: StickToTheRules_61 on March 19, 2014, 01:25:38 pmSurely having 2 sets of fans close together (but not close enough to trade blows) is a good thing?Just close enough to chuck things at each other?Funny, I never saw the club or Police make such a big deal of things when our fans and Milwall fans were brawling in the corner a few years ago."Fourteen Millwall supporters appeared at Doncaster Magistrates Court last Thursday following incidents which occurred at the Keepmoat Stadium on the opening day of the season. All had been charge with affray, with 13 men and one woman being identified from CCTV recordings taken by the stadium.Six people received 80 hours community service each, were ordered to pay £50 in costs - and they each received a three-year football banning order. They are prevented from attending any football match during that time, and must surrender their passport for the time of all England away games.Four were bailed for pre-sentence reports and will report to local courts in South London on 14th February.Three men and one woman pleaded not guilty and their trial has been scheduled at Doncaster Magistrates Courty for 1st April.PC Andy Baker said, “We have worked closely with our colleagues in the Metropolitan Police to bring to justice the people who caused disorder at the Millwall football match on the 11 August at the Keepmoat Stadium. Doncaster Police will not tolerate this type of behaviour and treat such incidents seriously.” No, police didn't do anything did they Frosty? Your ignorance is without limits.
I haven't missed the point Frosty, because there is only one point, which your posts make over and over and over again, year after year after year, and it's always the same point.The point is you have got nothing, nothing at all to contribute towards the club or this forum. You have been presented with the opportunity to enter, directly, into a dialogue with the representatives of an elite level football club, owned by individuals collectively worth close to £1 billion. They have offered you that opportunity. An opportunity where they give up their time so you can share your "ideas", ideas you've sat on for the last five years.This opportunity has been arranged for you by individuals who give up their own time to try to move the club forward, to try and put actions into place, a task that brings with it little or no reward, but plenty of aggravation.And what do you say in return?"It's not my job. I haven't got time."That will be your f***ing epitaph.
Can I suggest that anyone who has issues with another member should take those issues elsewhere.Any further posts on this thread that are simply attacking other members will be removed & if it carries on going the way that it is, the thread will be locked.Play nicely or not at all.
Quote from: BigColSutherland on March 19, 2014, 02:33:28 pmQuote from: MrFrost on March 19, 2014, 01:35:44 pmQuote from: BigColSutherland on March 19, 2014, 01:28:35 pmQuote from: StickToTheRules_61 on March 19, 2014, 01:25:38 pmSurely having 2 sets of fans close together (but not close enough to trade blows) is a good thing?Just close enough to chuck things at each other?Funny, I never saw the club or Police make such a big deal of things when our fans and Milwall fans were brawling in the corner a few years ago."Fourteen Millwall supporters appeared at Doncaster Magistrates Court last Thursday following incidents which occurred at the Keepmoat Stadium on the opening day of the season. All had been charge with affray, with 13 men and one woman being identified from CCTV recordings taken by the stadium.Six people received 80 hours community service each, were ordered to pay £50 in costs - and they each received a three-year football banning order. They are prevented from attending any football match during that time, and must surrender their passport for the time of all England away games.Four were bailed for pre-sentence reports and will report to local courts in South London on 14th February.Three men and one woman pleaded not guilty and their trial has been scheduled at Doncaster Magistrates Courty for 1st April.PC Andy Baker said, “We have worked closely with our colleagues in the Metropolitan Police to bring to justice the people who caused disorder at the Millwall football match on the 11 August at the Keepmoat Stadium. Doncaster Police will not tolerate this type of behaviour and treat such incidents seriously.” No, police didn't do anything did they Frosty? Your ignorance is without limits.You miss the point, as usual.The police or club didn't insist that area of the stadium be unavailable for ticket purchases did they?Do i really have to explain the obvious to you or are you just being deliberately pedantic?Hadn't we had bigger crowds before without any trouble though?I'm sure that if we had kept some seats empty for that game without having had any previous confrontations you wouldn't have complained.