Clegg v Farage debate

[IC1967]

Don't forget. Nige wipes the floor with Clegg again tomorrow on BBC2 at 7.00pm.

[BillyStubbsTears]

A bit like everyone wiping the floor with your boys lately Mick eh?

[IC1967]

A bit like me wiping the floor with you and Mr Wigley on this thread.

[BillyStubbsTears]

Yes Mick. Of course.

What was the last time you saw a Rovers match by the way?

[IC1967]

You need to stop trying to change the subject when you've been comprehensively battered. Just accept defeat, dust yourself down and try again. I like a fighter.

[BillyStubbsTears]

Shall we mark that up as a "Not for 3 years" then, or a "Never"?

[not on facebook]

Iam against the EU and Its stance on certian points with the main part
Been any country within the EU will never have 100 % controll Of Its boarders.

Just look how many eastern europeans have landed in uk for sole reason
That the UKs benafits system is far better.LBH how Much money will likes
Of Latvia pay into the EU?fvuk all When put against likes Of UK and germany.

But UK end  with all Their dead legs landing on Its shores wanting house and benafits.how many People Across EU land in Latvia claiming a house and benafits ....fcuk all for obvious reasons.

For every latvian that lands in UK and ends up on benafits,UK should be Able to bill Latvia
A fixed % for Their upkeep.same if a UK passport holder should ever end up in Latvia and claim
Benafits ,Latvia gets an upkeep payment from UK.

With a lot Of shit landing in UK from poland,Latvia,Bulgaria,Romania ,When i say shit i mean
The criminal element the streets are getting more and more unsafe to walk down.

Also how can any fcuker from say poland live in the uk and claim payments for Their kids back
In poland is beyond me.figures say about 43.000 kids that live out Of the  UK the parents are getting
Payments while they live in the UK





Russia must be happy fcukers after the Berlin Wall came down


God Help any country within the EU if they should ever have a gold rush within Its boarders ,as
Millions upon millions would land on Its shores wanting a claim

On a clear day you can see the whole of the UK from Oslo.

And Your point is

[BigColSutherland]

Well, Oslo, let's take this line for starters:

"With a lot Of shit landing in UK from poland,Latvia,Bulgaria,Romania ,When i say shit i mean
The criminal element the streets are getting more and more unsafe to walk down."

Where is your evidence for this?

[IC1967]

Whilst the vast bulk of immigrants are decent hard working people it is true that we have imported criminal gangs from Eastern Europe due to to our open border policy. I know police officers and if they get involved in a crime involving an Eastern European it take days to sort out instead of minutes or hours if the crime was committed by a native. It is also very expensive as nearly always an expensive interpreter will be needed. This takes up a lot of police time that could be used to better effect especially now when their budgets are being cut. The frustrating thing for the police is that most of the time the criminal gets away with a caution.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-23339979

[not on facebook]

Well, Oslo, let's take this line for starters:

"With a lot Of shit landing in UK from poland,Latvia,Bulgaria,Romania ,When i say shit i mean
The criminal element the streets are getting more and more unsafe to walk down."

Where is your evidence for this?

If you want to be all left Wing or PC and dont think it happens
Then you carry on fella,dont let what ever i say cloud Your outlook

You just keep using the card machines without looking over Your shoulder
Or walk down a city street with Your wallet hanging out Of Your back pocket and hope for the best.

[BigColSutherland]

Oslo, let's try and leave the politics out of this.

"With a lot Of shit landing in UK from poland,Latvia,Bulgaria,Romania ,When i say shit i mean
The criminal element the streets are getting more and more unsafe to walk down."

I'll ask you again, what is your evdience for this?

[not on facebook]

Oslo, let's try and leave the politics out of this.

"With a lot Of shit landing in UK from poland,Latvia,Bulgaria,Romania ,When i say shit i mean
The criminal element the streets are getting more and more unsafe to walk down."

I'll ask you again, what is your evdience for this?

I dont have to bring any evidence to the table  to back up
My views fella,as iam more Than happy to stand by what i say or think.

If you Cant smell the coffee,then that is Your view which i take
On board and will never Ask or feal the need for you  or any other to back up their stance,as i can live with it.

[BigColSutherland]

So basically anything goes? No need for there to be a shred of truth in it, the rationale is "these are my views".

[wilts rover]

For info gents around 13% of the prison poulation are foreign nationals, slightly lower than the high point of 14% in 2006. In comparison 10% of prisoners are ex-service personel, so you are slightly more likely to be attached by an east european than an ex-squaddie.

Of the breakdown of countries, Oslo is correct that Poland is among the top three, along with those other east european hotspots, Jamaica and the Republic of Ireland.

www.parliament.uk/briefing-papers/sn04334.pdf‎‎

[Filo]

I think the Country tonight saw the dying embers of Clegg's political career. Farge owned him!

[BigColSutherland]

Don't worry about prison stats Wilts, they're based on facts.

The real trouble is on 'the streets'.

[BigColSutherland]

Thankfully Oslo's ridiculous post was removed. Here's the truth behind his claims:

http://m.huffpost.com/uk/entry/4451633/

[RedJ]

Daily Mail in slur against eastern Europeans shocker.

Daily Mail talking b*llocks shocker.

[BigColSutherland]

It's appalling, and people like  Oslo are the unwitting victims of it.

The fact it was the Met who had to apologise and not the Mail beggars belief.

[Sad-Rovers]

10% of prisoners are ex-service personel

No they are not.

The statistic bandied about is "between 3 and 10% are ex forces" but even that I'd take issue with:

former soldiers the highest occupational culture claimed by prisoners

(my bold)

Far be it from me to cast aspersions on the word of these convicted criminals but if some of them told me the sky is blue I'd have to look up. I've heard of homeless people being picked up by ex-forces Police officers who've claimed to be ex-army but when asked for their regimental number they've "forgotten" it. - some people will claim almost anything if they think they'll derive benefit from it.

Sorry for dragging this OT but the 10% stat. is a pet hate of mine, makes it too easy for people to tar ex-servicemen / women with the "they're all mental / alcoholics / violent " brush.

[Dagenham Rover]

10% of prisoners are ex-service personel

No they are not.

The statistic bandied about is "between 3 and 10% are ex forces" but even that I'd take issue with:

former soldiers the highest occupational culture claimed by prisoners

(my bold)

Far be it from me to cast aspersions on the word of these convicted criminals but if some of them told me the sky is blue I'd have to look up. I've heard of homeless people being picked up by ex-forces Police officers who've claimed to be ex-army but when asked for their regimental number they've "forgotten" it. - some people will claim almost anything if they think they'll derive benefit from it.

Sorry for dragging this OT but the 10% stat. is a pet hate of mine, makes it too easy for people to tar ex-servicemen / women with the "they're all mental / alcoholics / violent " brush.

That is one number no serviceman/exserciceman will never ever "forget" crikey I can still recite mine backwards and I left in 86

[Sad-Rovers]

Exactly Daggers. Plus some that claim to be ex-forces have only actually completed 4 weeks in the depot before PVR / DAOR, hardly ex-forces in the eyes of most people.

[The Red Baron]

I think the Country tonight saw the dying embers of Clegg's political career. Farge owned him!

Valuable publicity for both of them, I thought. Farage seemed to have the better of it, but I think it will have garnered a few votes for the Lib Dems as well.

After his spirited defence of Brussels, I expect Cleggy will be off to become a European Commissioner. He'll then wield much more power than he ever did as Deputy PM.

[RobTheRover]

I'm bored now by the Farage v Clegg debate.  Two fringe players trying desperately to raise their profiles.

If there are going to be more televised debates, cant we have BST v MadMick?  It would be far more entertaining.

[River Don]

The more entertaining show was the Farage C4 documentary the other day.

Following him around Strasbourg trying to make sense of the enormous bureacratic infrastructure they have constructed there was enlightening.

[Sad-Rovers]

Very enjoybe program River Don, mostly to see loony lefty Yasmin Alibhai-Brown saying media should be "controlled" to stop Farage. So censorship, basically.

[BigColSutherland]

Farage came across as a likable enough - if not slightly manic - chap. I still wouldn't vote for him though.

[Dagenham Rover]

Exactly Daggers. Plus some that claim to be ex-forces have only actually completed 4 weeks in the depot before PVR / DAOR, hardly ex-forces in the eyes of most people.

a couple for your perusal S-R and those that may never have seen owt like it  (a bit off topic but hey)

This is what an Exocet Missile does (Sir Tristram)



Sir Tristram (Bridge)


and this is what the SAS does

[Sad-Rovers]

Are they your photos Daggers? What did you do down there?

I was down the Falklands in 07, part of the resident Inf company and did the tumbledown battlefield tour. Fair play to the blokes that fought down there, we patrolled West Falkland and its awful ground to cover; boggy, babies heads and cold. Fighting in that must have been hellish.

Believe it or not there are still loads of "stuff" down there, bits of Puccaras, Argi field kitchens, brass... All interesting stuff for a geek like me. I'll post up my photos later, all tame compared to yours, obviously.

[Dagenham Rover]

Are they your photos Daggers? What did you do down there?

I was down the Falklands in 07, part of the resident Inf company and did the tumbledown battlefield tour. Fair play to the blokes that fought down there, we patrolled West Falkland and its awful ground to cover; boggy, babies heads and cold. Fighting in that must have been hellish.

Believe it or not there are still loads of "stuff" down there, bits of Puccaras, Argi field kitchens, brass... All interesting stuff for a geek like me. I'll post up my photos later, all tame compared to yours, obviously.

Yes mate they are mine got a few more in an album upstairs somewhere, got a nice picture of a Chinook nicknamed zebadee (it used to go up and nearly always came straight back down  ) surrounded by sheep in the middle of a field after its latest 30 metre attempt at flying    a few of me hanging out the back of one hill hopping  clearing up.
I was there during and about 8/10 months after the conflict (Royal Engineers),
Later the lower decks/front end of the Tristram were used as troop accommodation as it was basically unscathed apart from the bridge and upper decks