Looking grim for Labour

[Filo]

Yes Mick

UKIP will win how many seats in the North next May? Let's have another one of your perceptive predictions that are so rarely out of line with reality.

The bandwagon is rolling and picking up speed. I predict at least 20 seats in the North including red Ed's.

Can we have some odds on that?

[BillyStubbsTears]

Let's get this right. You're predicting that UKIP will win 20 LABOUR seats in the North of England, including Ed Miliband's? Is that right?

If I were a bookie, I'd give you 100/1 against that happening. money for old rope.

[IC1967]

Let's get this right. You're predicting that UKIP will win 20 LABOUR seats in the North of England, including Ed Miliband's? Is that right?

If I were a bookie, I'd give you 100/1 against that happening. money for old rope.

I agree. I'm going to make loads of money. What you unprofessional gamblers don't realise is that I'll lay the bet off at much lower odds nearer the general election and make a huge profit profit whether I'm right or wrong. I've currently been offered 250/1. I'd stick to the day job if I were you Billy, you'd make a crap bookie.

You watch the odds shorten when Reckless wins Rochester and there are mass defections from the Tories and Labour to UKIP.

When UKIP win Rochester that is going to be a total game changer. Politics as we knew it will be totally changed. Get in.

[Glyn_Wigley]

What you unprofessional gamblers don't realise is that I'll lay the bet off at much lower odds nearer the general election and make a huge profit profit whether I'm right or wrong.

I'd love to know what odds you think you'll get that UKIP won't win 20 seats.

[BillyStubbsTears]

So let's get this right. You're PREDICTING that there will be 20 UKIP gains from Labour in the North, including Ed Miliband's seat, AND that there will be mass defections of Labour MPs to UKIP before May 2015?

Remind me. What was the last prediction you got right?

[wilts rover]

Billy, you missed that he is basing that prediction on the re-election of a sitting MP in a safe seat in the South East, not the most reliable of indicators I would have thought.

[IC1967]

Billy, you missed that he is basing that prediction on the re-election of a sitting MP in a safe seat in the South East, not the most reliable of indicators I would have thought.

The complacency around here is breathtaking. Billy's analysis of the Heywood result was totally hilarious. No wonder UKIP are doing well when hardcore lefties are so deluded. Rochester will not be easy for UKIP to win. If they do win it the political landscape will be changed forever. You can tear up any complacent preconceptions if this happens. UKIP winning will be the biggest event in politics for decades. It's that big.

[Glyn_Wigley]

Remind me, wasn't it after Orpington that the Liberals came out exactly the same rhetoric..? 

[BillyStubbsTears]

Was that a "yes" or a "no" Mick. The Micktionary is defeating my feeble brain again.

[IC1967]

Was that a "yes" or a "no" Mick. The Micktionary is defeating my feeble brain again.

You're brain is indeed feeble if you can't work out what I was saying. Do us all a favour and have a good look around China when you're there. This is the utopia you crave for the UK. Hopefully you'll see the error of your ways and come back as a right winger. If not, then do us all a favour and don't come back. I'm sure you'd be very happy there. Their ideology is very akin to your own.

[BillyStubbsTears]

Mick

The supreme irony is, you will never know just how big a d**khead you are when you say that. If you had any idea what I do...

I'll give you a clue though. I'm not going there to sell them bits of plastic tat or teach them how to play Smoke on the Water.

[IC1967]

By going there you condone their repressive regime.  By trading with them you give them the impression that the way they treat their population is acceptable. Shame on you. You pretend to be a leftie but along you are a communist sympathiser. You wouldn't catch me going to China and condoning the way they treat their people. With you though its all about can you make some money out of them and human rights goes straight out of the window. You'll be trading with Russia next.

[Glyn_Wigley]

By going there you condone their repressive regime.  By trading with them you give them the impression that the way they treat their population is acceptable. Shame on you. You pretend to be a leftie but along you are a communist sympathiser. You wouldn't catch me going to China and condoning the way they treat their people. With you though its all about can you make some money out of them and human rights goes straight out of the window. You'll be trading with Russia next.

So which of the Betterware range do you refuse to peddle on principle then?

[IC1967]

Get in. Latest Survation poll puts Tories and Labour both on 31% but get this ,they've got UKIP on 25%!!! This is the most they've ever been. Just wait to see this go higher when they win the Rochester and Stroud by-election in 2 weeks.

UKIP are on the march and there's no stopping us now. I forecast an In/Out referendum on Europe within 12 months with a vote to leave being the outcome. I'm so happy.

[Dagenham Rover]

Get in. Latest Survation poll puts Tories and Labour both on 31% but get this ,they've got UKIP on 25%!!! This is the most they've ever been. Just wait to see this go higher when they win the Rochester and Stroud by-election in 2 weeks.

UKIP are on the march and there's no stopping us now. I forecast an In/Out referendum on Europe within 12 months with a vote to leave being the outcome. I'm so happy.

So you've listened to Mr Farrage on the radio this morning saying they would form a coalition with the conservatives on condition there was an immediate referendum on In/Out of Europe.

 

[IC1967]

Get in. Latest Survation poll puts Tories and Labour both on 31% but get this ,they've got UKIP on 25%!!! This is the most they've ever been. Just wait to see this go higher when they win the Rochester and Stroud by-election in 2 weeks.

UKIP are on the march and there's no stopping us now. I forecast an In/Out referendum on Europe within 12 months with a vote to leave being the outcome. I'm so happy.

So you've listened to Mr Farrage on the radio this morning saying they would form a coalition with the conservatives on condition there was an immediate referendum on In/Out of Europe.

It's been obvious to anyone that has read my previous posts that this is what I've thought for a long time. Nige would even from a coalition with red Ed if he got a referendum.

[Dagenham Rover]

What, when you change your mind to suit whatever crap you've decided to cut and paste that you think sounds like a good idea at the time

[IC1967]

What, when you change your mind to suit whatever crap you've decided to cut and paste that you think sounds like a good idea at the time

Excuse me but I've been very consistent in my views. I've even said Nige would do a deal with the devil if it got him his In/Out referendum.

[BillyStubbsTears]

Yes dipshit. You've also been consistent in claiming that UKIP are a single issue party. Whereas Farage has now openly stated his ambition for UKIP to hold the balance of power after May, and to support such other policies as they pick and choose.

Another Mick prediction bites the dust.

[wilts rover]

Get it right chaps, Mick has consistently said that UKIP would not be a significant force at the next election - so now the opposite is looking likely he has changed his mind.

[IC1967]

Yes dipshit. You've also been consistent in claiming that UKIP are a single issue party. Whereas Farage has now openly stated his ambition for UKIP to hold the balance of power after May, and to support such other policies as they pick and choose.

Another Mick prediction bites the dust.

UKIP is a single issue party. Unfortunately you and the political elite haven't yet twigged this. The incompetence of Labour and Tory politicians is breathtaking. Both parties are still scratching their heads as to how to deal with them. I've got the answer for them and it is very simple. Offer the public an In/Out referendum as soon as possible and the UKIP 'threat' will go away (that's if Labour and the Tories have learnt their lesson not to get so detached from reality in the future).

The longer a referendum is denied then the stronger UKIP will get even to the point that they may well start to get involved in other issues. If this happens then the political elite will only have themselves to blame. A referendum years ago would have finished UKIP off. If they've got MP's then of course they will vote on other issues. The main point being that they won't be the ones putting forward legislation. So like I've said before you can completely disregard their manifesto. I won't be bothering to read it because none of it will ever be put into practice.

[IC1967]

More bad news for Labour. Unemployment is now down below 2 million. Who'd have thought it. Certainly not Labour when they were calling for a Plan B. More proof that the Tories are brilliant at creating employment and Labour are shocking at it.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-29627831

[jucyberry]

Well, it isn't looking good for the chinless wonders at the moment is it. Freud slipping up and saying out loud what they all think at Tory HQ..

They seem to forget that all the worthless ones have families and friends. If you don't believe me this article is from way back in 2011.....
http://www.theguardian.com/society/2011/jun/17/tory-philip-davies-disabled-people-work

[BillyStubbsTears]

Have a guess whose son that t**t is.

PS. Isn't it telling just how glib Cameron's response to Freud was. "This is not the opinion of anyone in Government."

Yeah. Except it IS Freud's opinion and he IS a Govt minister. I accept that politicians dissemble, but this isn't dissembling. It's a straight lie. And a f**king transparent one at that. Cameron the PR man clearly doesn't rate the intellect of the British public if that's the kind of response he chucks up.

[jucyberry]

Ohh... Little apples, teeny tiny trees hey.

[IC1967]

Hahaha. You lefties never fail to disappoint. Political correctness trumps everything with you lot. You have taken what both Tories have said and come up with a preposterous view of how the Tories view the disabled.

You would rather 'some' disabled not 'all' as you would try and have everyone believe should be paid the minimum wage or not work at all. Both Tories are of the view that there are 'some' disabled people that will never get a job if an employer has to pay them the minimum wage. There are 'some' of these disabled people that would like a job not for the money but for the associated benefits such as self esteem that comes with working. These people are so disabled that they will never get a job if they are competing with more abled bodied people. What is it that you lefties don't understand about this?

Both Tories were saying that if these people wanted to work for less than the minimum wage they should be allowed to. You would deny them this freedom just for the sake of political correctness. You would rather these people never worked and carried on living their lives with low self esteem. You really make my piss boil. In fact its steaming.

To try and paint a picture of the Tories as wanting to pay all the disabled less than the minimum wage is a gross distortion of the facts. You are a total disgrace for promulgating this view. You have taken what they have both said and totally distorted the facts.
I agree that Freud used the wrong choice of words but anyone that listened to the exchange in its proper context would not have come up with the b*llocks you lefties have. He was acknowledging that there are 'some' disabled people that will never work if an employer has to pay them the minimum wage. All he was trying to do was give these people a chance of work if thats what they wanted. He wanted to think about the issue and I got the impression he was going to see if there was a way these people could maybe be taken on at £2 an hour and have it topped up by benefits. What the hell is wrong with this?

I am so angry with the way the politically correct lobby has portrayed this issue. I am not surprised that the usual suspects have jumped on the issue and totally misrepresented the situation. You are the ones that should be vilified. Putting political correctness above the well being of the disabled is really scraping the barrel and you should be totally ashamed of yourselves.

[Filo]

Hahaha. You lefties never fail to disappoint. Political correctness trumps everything with you lot. You have taken what both Tories have said and come up with a preposterous view of how the Tories view the disabled.

You would rather 'some' disabled not 'all' as you would try and have everyone believe should be paid the minimum wage or not work at all. Both Tories are of the view that there are 'some' disabled people that will never get a job if an employer has to pay them the minimum wage. There are 'some' of these disabled people that would like a job not for the money but for the associated benefits such as self esteem that comes with working. These people are so disabled that they will never get a job if they are competing with more abled bodied people. What is it that you lefties don't understand about this?

Both Tories were saying that if these people wanted to work for less than the minimum wage they should be allowed to. You would deny them this freedom just for the sake of political correctness. You would rather these people never worked and carried on living their lives with low self esteem. You really make my piss boil. In fact its steaming.

To try and paint a picture of the Tories as wanting to pay all the disabled less than the minimum wage is a gross distortion of the facts. You are a total disgrace for promulgating this view. You have taken what they have both said and totally distorted the facts.
I agree that Freud used the wrong choice of words but anyone that listened to the exchange in its proper context would not have come up with the b*llocks you lefties have. He was acknowledging that there are 'some' disabled people that will never work if an employer has to pay them the minimum wage. All he was trying to do was give these people a chance of work if thats what they wanted. He wanted to think about the issue and I got the impression he was going to see if there was a way these people could maybe be taken on at £2 an hour and have it topped up by benefits. What the hell is wrong with this?

I am so angry with the way the politically correct lobby has portrayed this issue. I am not surprised that the usual suspects have jumped on the issue and totally misrepresented the situation. You are the ones that should be vilified. Putting political correctness above the well being of the disabled is really scraping the barrel and you should be totally ashamed of yourselves.

I'd say using your deceased disabled Son to score political points is scraping the barrell , as Cameron did when this story broke, it's not the first time he's done it either!

[IC1967]

I'd say using your deceased disabled Son to score political points is scraping the barrell , as Cameron did when this story broke, it's not the first time he's done it either!

At Prime Minister's question time yesterday Dave was angry at the way Milliband was portraying the issue. On this occasion I don't think he was using his family to score political points however I accept he has done so in the past and shouldn't have. Yesterday I think he was genuinely furious with Milliband for misrepresenting what happened for cheap political gain. Milliband was twisting things to try and make the gullible general public believe that the Tories secretly have an evil plan to pay 'all' disabled people less than the minimum wage.

If I'd been Dave I'd have walked over to Milliband and decked the idiot. In the circumstances, Dave was very restrained.

[BillyStubbsTears]

Was he still furious when he lied through his teeth on the subject? Maybe that explains it.

[IC1967]

Was he still furious when he lied through his teeth on the subject? Maybe that explains it.

You really are a piece of work. I didn't think your reputation could sink any lower but somehow you have managed it. It is you sir that is the liar. Dave did not lie. Milliband did.

Here's what Milliband said:

'To be clear Mr Speaker about what the welfare reform minister said, but it's very serious, he didn't just say that disabled people aren't worth the minimum wage. He went further and he said, and I quote, he was looking at, and I quote whether there's something we could do if someone wants to work for £2 an hour. Mr Speaker, surely someone holding those views can't possibly stay in his government.'

Here's what Dave said:

'Those are not the views of the government, they are not the views of anyone in the government.'

The bit in bold is the blatant lie. The unpaid minister categorically didn't say that. He was referring to a small minority of disabled people that couldn't get a job because employers considered them not worth the minimum wage. Milliband spun it as though the unpaid minister was talking about all disabled people. Totally disgraceful. No wonder Dave said what he did. He was being totally truthful. All the unpaid minister said was he was wondering whether there is something they could do (i.e. top up their wages through benefits to the minimum wage level) if someone (who wouldn't be able to get a job otherwise) wants to work for £2 an hour.

You, Milliband and your friends really are pathetic and you disgust all right minded people. To try to make capital out of the good intentions of this unpaid minister by lying about what he said is morally reprehensible in the extreme.