Next

[ditch_drfc]

I don't get what the point is here. People are saying it's cheap labour yet forget we have the national minimum wage in this country...

[Dagenham Rover]

I don't get what the point is here. People are saying it's cheap labour yet forget we have the national minimum wage in this country...

The point is the jobs were advertised in Poland weeks before they were advertised in the UK! with Next transporting the Poles to the UK

[River Don]

I don't get what the point is here. People are saying it's cheap labour yet forget we have the national minimum wage in this country...

The point is they get highly motivated youngsters.

I wonder how they are going on in places like Poland? They must have lost millions of their young talented people.

[ditch_drfc]

Is that a fact though? How would Next benefit from this? They can't pay any less than an English person would get. So you can't argue it's for cheap labour.

[Bentley Bullet]

As I understand it Next are recruiting Polish workers for posts that pay the minimum wage, thus undercutting wages in the UK.

[Dagenham Rover]

The statement I heard said Next stated the Poles idea of a living wage was different to a UK idea of a living wage, however a living wage in Poland would no doubt be different to a living wage in the UK (i.e. the minimum wage not the flounted living wage which is above the minimum wage) however this in truth gets away from the facts that these jobs were advertised weeks before in Poland rather than the UK.

Uk's minimum wage would I imagine be above a living wage in Poland include the fact that the company concerned will transport you and help you find accomadation jobs a good un ....cheap labour!!
add into the fact they are probably zero hour contracts, what happens when theres no work or they get a bad un ....................oh yes they claim UK benefits

[Filo]

The statement I heard said Next stated the Poles idea of a living wage was different to a UK idea of a living wage, however a living wage in Poland would no doubt be different to a living wage in the UK (i.e. the minimum wage not the flounted living wage which is above the minimum wage) however this in truth gets away from the facts that these jobs were advertised weeks before in Poland rather than the UK.

Uk's minimum wage would I imagine be above a living wage in Poland include the fact that the company concerned will transport you and help you find accomadation jobs a good un ....cheap labour!!
add into the fact they are probably zero hour contracts, what happens when theres no work or they get a bad un ....................oh yes they claim UK benefits

That will happen!

Because after 12 weeks Next will by law have to pay them the same rate as next employee's who are on between £8 and £9 an hour

[IC1967]

It is a fallacy to claim that the Poles will be claiming benefits. There is obviously a total lack of awareness of what benefits these Next workers will be able to claim if Next got rid of them just weeks after they had employed them.

You've obviously fallen for the Labour and Tory spin that toughening up on benefits will control immigration. You should be aware that a newly arrived Pole will be unable to claim any benefits other than Job Seekers Allowance.  Could someone please tell me how they are going to be able to pay their rent and pay all their bills on this pittance.

In the real world, the Poles come here to work. They have to pass the Habitual Residency test to get all the benefits British people are entitled to. This means they have to be resident in the UK for 5 years and have worked in each of these 5 years. Until, this point they can't get housing benefit or Council Tax relief.

Now if you think about it for a minute, there is no way they can survive without working. So they either work or go back to Poland.

So I'd appreciate it if all you that are getting hot under the collar about benefits would take a chill pill and get your facts straight before spouting off. You need to realise that the politicians that are in favour of uncontrolled immigration have conned you into thinking that they are only coming here for benefits. Don't fall for the spin that tightening up on benefits will allow immigration to be controlled. It won't. The vast majority come here to work. Fact. And they will keep on coming until we leave the EU.

[not on facebook]

It is a fallacy to claim that the Poles will be claiming benefits. There is obviously a total lack of awareness of what benefits these Next workers will be able to claim if Next got rid of them just weeks after they had employed them.

You've obviously fallen for the Labour and Tory spin that toughening up on benefits will control immigration. You should be aware that a newly arrived Pole will be unable to claim any benefits other than Job Seekers Allowance.  Could someone please tell me how they are going to be able to pay their rent and pay all their bills on this pittance.

In the real world, the Poles come here to work. They have to pass the Habitual Residency test to get all the benefits British people are entitled to. This means they have to be resident in the UK for 5 years and have worked in each of these 5 years. Until, this point they can't get housing benefit or Council Tax relief.

Now if you think about it for a minute, there is no way they can survive without working. So they either work or go back to Poland.

So I'd appreciate it if all you that are getting hot under the collar about benefits would take a chill pill and get your facts straight before spouting off. You need to realise that the politicians that are in favour of uncontrolled immigration have conned you into thinking that they are only coming here for benefits. Don't fall for the spin that tightening up on benefits will allow immigration to be controlled. It won't. The vast majority come here to work. Fact. And they will keep on coming until we leave the EU.

Reason why the poles can pay all Their rent and  bills  etc etc ,is fact that they live as many as possible into the house.

If the house has say  6 beds in it ,3 poles will work at night time while other 3 poles are asleep in beds A B and C

When nite shift has finished they go home and sleep in beards A B and C as day shift are Now at work

During the weekends they have two choices ,either work over time
II spoon each other at bed time

[Sheepskin Stu]

Oslo thinking about Poles spooning there

[IC1967]

It is a fallacy to claim that the Poles will be claiming benefits. There is obviously a total lack of awareness of what benefits these Next workers will be able to claim if Next got rid of them just weeks after they had employed them.

You've obviously fallen for the Labour and Tory spin that toughening up on benefits will control immigration. You should be aware that a newly arrived Pole will be unable to claim any benefits other than Job Seekers Allowance.  Could someone please tell me how they are going to be able to pay their rent and pay all their bills on this pittance.

In the real world, the Poles come here to work. They have to pass the Habitual Residency test to get all the benefits British people are entitled to. This means they have to be resident in the UK for 5 years and have worked in each of these 5 years. Until, this point they can't get housing benefit or Council Tax relief.

Now if you think about it for a minute, there is no way they can survive without working. So they either work or go back to Poland.

So I'd appreciate it if all you that are getting hot under the collar about benefits would take a chill pill and get your facts straight before spouting off. You need to realise that the politicians that are in favour of uncontrolled immigration have conned you into thinking that they are only coming here for benefits. Don't fall for the spin that tightening up on benefits will allow immigration to be controlled. It won't. The vast majority come here to work. Fact. And they will keep on coming until we leave the EU.

Reason why the poles can pay all Their rent and  bills  etc etc ,is fact that they live as many as possible into the house.

If the house has say  6 beds in it ,3 poles will work at night time while other 3 poles are asleep in beds A B and C

When nite shift has finished they go home and sleep in beards A B and C as day shift are Now at work

During the weekends they have two choices ,either work over time
II spoon each other at bed time

This in not my personal experience although I'm sure there are some immigrants that are quite happy to operate in the manner you describe. However you have not answered my question. You are talking about Poles that are working. My question was how would a Pole survive without working, living just off Job Seekers Allowance. There seems to be a widely held misconception that Poles can come to the country and live a comfortable life on benefits. This is totally untrue and is an example of politicians avoiding the real issue of open door immigration and fooling the gullible by pandering to their inherent racist tendencies.

[Dagenham Rover]

And you haven't answered the original question before turning it into your agenda
Is it right that Next advertise jobs in Poland weeks before advertising them in the UK?

[ditch_drfc]

http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/next-christmas-jobs-offered-polish-4709994

I'm guessing this is the real source of this thread. From The Mirror??? Come on, they are hardly a credible source. I think you need to lay out the facts with evidence before jumping on the immigration band wagon.

[Dagenham Rover]

http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/next-christmas-jobs-offered-polish-4709994

I'm guessing this is the real source of this thread. From The Mirror??? Come on, they are hardly a credible source. I think you need to lay out the facts with evidence before jumping on the immigration band wagon.

No its been on Calendar, Radio and national news with various interviews and statements from next

[IC1967]

And you haven't answered the original question before turning it into your agenda
Is it right that Next advertise jobs in Poland weeks before advertising them in the UK?

I'd have thought it was obvious  what my answer is to that question. I'll spell it out. The answer is a resounding yes.

Next are not a charity and have a responsibility to shareholders to run the business in the best way they can. Their biggest cost is labour. So given this is the case it makes perfect sense to me that they would want to reduce this cost as much as possible and to employ the best available workers. Sadly for British workers, the Poles are viewed as better workers that are happy to work for the wages on offer.

By advertising for 'inferior' workers, Next would be incurring unnecessary costs thus affecting the profitability of the company. It is madness to advertise for inferior workers just to keep the politically correct brigade happy. Fair play to Next for not pandering to them.

[Dagenham Rover]

So according to you ALL British workers are inferior, Don't you think it would be much more of a responsible attitude from Next to interview prospective British workers first let Nexts HR dept do what its supposed to do and filter out and employ those most suitable and then make any shortfall up from Poland?

[Glyn_Wigley]

And you haven't answered the original question before turning it into your agenda
Is it right that Next advertise jobs in Poland weeks before advertising them in the UK?

I'd have thought it was obvious  what my answer is to that question. I'll spell it out. The answer is a resounding yes.

Next are not a charity and have a responsibility to shareholders to run the business in the best way they can. Their biggest cost is labour. So given this is the case it makes perfect sense to me that they would want to reduce this cost as much as possible and to employ the best available workers. Sadly for British workers, the Poles are viewed as better workers that are happy to work for the wages on offer.

By advertising for 'inferior' workers, Next would be incurring unnecessary costs thus affecting the profitability of the company. It is madness to advertise for inferior workers just to keep the politically correct brigade happy. Fair play to Next for not pandering to them.

Surely building a factory in the middle of of a country full of 'inferior' workers is the biggest 'unnecessary cost' of the lot?

[IC1967]

So according to you ALL British workers are inferior, Don't you think it would be much more of a responsible attitude from Next to interview prospective British workers first let Nexts HR dept do what its supposed to do and filter out and employ those most suitable and then make any shortfall up from Poland?

I don't think ALL British workers are inferior. I'm sure there are many that are just as good as the Poles. Unfortunately for British workers, the Poles are viewed as better than the British in general. I don't think Next should interview British workers first. I think they got it the the right way round. They believe that the company has a better chance of profitability by employing Poles over Brits. For them to prioritise Brits over Poles would decrease their profitability. This is no way to run a business. They have experience of employing Brits and Poles. Based on this experience they have decided that the Poles are better workers for a number of reasons.

What you lefties have to understand is that Next are not a charity. They do not exist to pay inferior Brits high wages when a cheaper better alternative is available.

Let me ask a a couple of simple questions.

If a competitor of Next only employed more expensive 'inferior' Brits and Next employed less expensive better Poles, which company would be the most profitable?

Which company is more likely to be around in 5 years? Next or the competitor?

[IC1967]

And you haven't answered the original question before turning it into your agenda
Is it right that Next advertise jobs in Poland weeks before advertising them in the UK?

I'd have thought it was obvious  what my answer is to that question. I'll spell it out. The answer is a resounding yes.

Next are not a charity and have a responsibility to shareholders to run the business in the best way they can. Their biggest cost is labour. So given this is the case it makes perfect sense to me that they would want to reduce this cost as much as possible and to employ the best available workers. Sadly for British workers, the Poles are viewed as better workers that are happy to work for the wages on offer.

By advertising for 'inferior' workers, Next would be incurring unnecessary costs thus affecting the profitability of the company. It is madness to advertise for inferior workers just to keep the politically correct brigade happy. Fair play to Next for not pandering to them.

Surely building a factory in the middle of of a country full of 'inferior' workers is the biggest 'unnecessary cost' of the lot?

No. You are quite wrong. Labour is the biggest cost. You are obviously not a hard nosed business man like what I am.

[Glyn_Wigley]

And you haven't answered the original question before turning it into your agenda
Is it right that Next advertise jobs in Poland weeks before advertising them in the UK?

I'd have thought it was obvious  what my answer is to that question. I'll spell it out. The answer is a resounding yes.

Next are not a charity and have a responsibility to shareholders to run the business in the best way they can. Their biggest cost is labour. So given this is the case it makes perfect sense to me that they would want to reduce this cost as much as possible and to employ the best available workers. Sadly for British workers, the Poles are viewed as better workers that are happy to work for the wages on offer.

By advertising for 'inferior' workers, Next would be incurring unnecessary costs thus affecting the profitability of the company. It is madness to advertise for inferior workers just to keep the politically correct brigade happy. Fair play to Next for not pandering to them.

Surely building a factory in the middle of of a country full of 'inferior' workers is the biggest 'unnecessary cost' of the lot?

No. You are quite wrong. Labour is the biggest cost. You are obviously not a hard nosed business man like what I am.

I quoted you: unnecessary cost. Duh.

And as you are so quick to point out labour is the biggest cost, which makes it even more ridiculous to unnecessarily build a factory in a different country to the one you want your workforce from. Double duh.

[IC1967]

I'm afraid you've lost me. I'll try and spell it out so you can understand what I'm saying.

Interviewing Brits before Poles is doing it the wrong way around. The Poles are 'better' workers so should be interviewed first. Only then if there is a shortfall should the 'inferior' Brits be interviewed. By doing it the other way around you would be incurring unnecessary costs just to keep the politically correct lobby happy.

Trust me, you'd soon go out of business if you pandered to the politically correct lefties out there.

[Glyn_Wigley]

Nice attempt at wriggling out of your own words but you're worse at it than Nigel Farage

[IC1967]

No wriggling from me. You obviously have great difficulty understanding me but I am always happy to clarify matters.

[Glyn_Wigley]

No wriggling from me. You obviously have great difficulty understanding me but I am always happy to clarify matters.

Surely building a factory in the middle of of a country full of 'inferior' workers is the biggest 'unnecessary cost' of the lot?

[IC1967]

I'll have another go. Building a factory in the UK is not an unnecessary cost. It is an investment taken after lots of research. Next would not build the factory unless they thought it would be a good investment. Part of these calculations would be to do with their biggest cost - labour.

You seem to think they shouldn't build a factory in the UK as the Brits are inferior workers. You may well have a point but Next have decided they will take the risk because they can always get better workers from Poland. It's whats known as contingency planning. Something us serial entrepreneurs fully understand.

[Dagenham Rover]

I'll have another go. Building a factory in the UK is not an unnecessary cost. It is an investment taken after lots of research. Next would not build the factory unless they thought it would be a good investment. Part of these calculations would be to do with their biggest cost - labour.

You seem to think they shouldn't build a factory in the UK as the Brits are inferior workers. You may well have a point but Next have decided they will take the risk because they can always get better workers from Poland. It's whats known as contingency planning. Something us serial entrepreneurs  maniacs fully understand.

 

[Glyn_Wigley]

I'll have another go. Building a factory in the UK is not an unnecessary cost. It is an investment taken after lots of research. Next would not build the factory unless they thought it would be a good investment. Part of these calculations would be to do with their biggest cost - labour.

You seem to think they shouldn't build a factory in the UK as the Brits are inferior workers. You may well have a point but Next have decided they will take the risk because they can always get better workers from Poland. It's whats known as contingency planning. Something us serial entrepreneurs fully understand.

No, I'm asking because you're the one saying that that Brits are inferior workers, not me. Which is why I asked in the first place. Given what they're doing, isn't building their factory here instead of Poland an unnecessary cost?

[IC1967]

As any astute businessman such as myself could tell you, the location of a factory is only one factor to consider. You seem to be of the logic that because labour costs in Poland are lower than in the UK then thats where the factory should be built. Very simplistic in the extreme and shows you have a long way to go if you want to be taken seriously in matters of business.

[Glyn_Wigley]

As any astute businessman such as myself could tell you, the location of a factory is only one factor to consider. You seem to be of the logic that because labour costs in Poland are lower than in the UK then thats where the factory should be built. Very simplistic in the extreme and shows you have a long way to go if you want to be taken seriously in matters of business.

No. You are quite wrong. Labour is the biggest cost. You are obviously not a hard nosed business man like what I am.

Surely any right-minded business would try to lower the effects of its biggest cost. So why would anyone who wants to be taken seriously in business build a factory in a location that increases the cost of hiring its desired workforce? Square that circle if you can.

[IC1967]

As any astute businessman such as myself could tell you, the location of a factory is only one factor to consider. You seem to be of the logic that because labour costs in Poland are lower than in the UK then thats where the factory should be built. Very simplistic in the extreme and shows you have a long way to go if you want to be taken seriously in matters of business.

No. You are quite wrong. Labour is the biggest cost. You are obviously not a hard nosed business man like what I am.

Surely any right-minded business would try to lower the effects of its biggest cost. So why would anyone who wants to be taken seriously in business build a factory in a location that increases the cost of hiring its desired workforce? Square that circle if you can.

You are hard work. According to your logic, factories should always be built where the labour is cheapest. Unbelievably naive and nonsensical. Let me ask you a simple question to see if i can get through to you.

If labour costs are 10% of what they are in the UK in Romania should Next build their next factory there? Bear in mind that the roads are terrible and that distributing the manufactured goods is far more expensive than in the UK where the distribution of goods is much easier due to our modern infrastructure. The higher wages in the UK are more than offset by the exceedingly high distribution costs in Romania.

Still want the factory to be built in Romania?