Work for your benefits

[Filo]

The latest hair brained idea from the Tories!


Will they be paid the minimum wage?

All that will happen is unscrupulous employers will get benefit claimants do do the work rather than putting these jobs on the jobs market at the going rate!

[IC1967]

The latest hair brained idea from the Tories!


Will they be paid the minimum wage?

All that will happen is unscrupulous employers will get benefit claimants do do the work rather than putting these jobs on the jobs market at the going rate!

It's a great idea and certainly has the support of right minded people. No they won't be getting the minimum wage and why should they. If they want the minimum wage then they need to get off their lazy arses and get a proper job.

Anyone capable of work can find a job. Those that can't be arsed need to be penalised. It's the only way to encourage some of these lazy scroungers to actually get a job.

I've got news for them. Benefits are going to get cut and cut and cut. The politicians have finally wised up to the fact that we can't afford to pay benefits to lazy scroungers.

Get in.

[wilts rover]

Bring back the workhouse and big chimneys for the kids to sweep......

Mick, the jobs that people are going to be required to do to recieve benefits - who is doing them at the moment and how much are they being paid?

[IC1967]

Bring back the workhouse and big chimneys for the kids to sweep......

Mick, the jobs that people are going to be required to do to receive benefits - who is doing them at the moment and how much are they being paid?

They are currently being done by volunteers. There are never enough volunteers for everything that needs doing. For example, this could involve making meals for older people or working for local charities, alongside 10 hours of job hunting. If they can't think of what needs doing then I'm quite happy to come up with some ideas.

The Tories are also exploring benefit curbs for addicts and the obese. Quite right to. Its about time we toughened up on benefits scroungers.

http://www.publicfinance.co.uk/news/2015/02/tories-explore-benefit-curbs-for-addicts-and-obese/

[wilts rover]

So you are going to annoy current charitable volunteers by paying people to do the work they do for free? So after the people on benefits have moved back into the workplace by securing a proper job (which is what the scheme is intended to do) who is going to do the charitable work now the volunteers have left?

[IC1967]

So you are going to annoy current charitable volunteers by paying people to do the work they do for free? So after the people on benefits have moved back into the workplace by securing a proper job (which is what the scheme is intended to do) who is going to do the charitable work now the volunteers have left?

A lot of volunteers themselves are on some kind of benefit. For example I know a pensioner that gets disability living allowance and the state pension (topped up by SERPS). Volunteers are needed. Most volunteers I know would welcome a doley with open arms. I really can't see how current volunteers would be annoyed.

Another job they could do is help out in the community libraries. They are always looking for staff. They couldn't care less what your financial background is. Park warden is another job no one is doing at the moment. Lets get some pride back in our parks. The more people we can get doing these jobs for free the better. It will certainly help keep my council tax bill down.

I know one thing. If you do some volunteering you are much more likely to get a job than a lazy arsed doley that spends all their benefits on fags and booze and watches telly all day.

Once the doleys get work then the existing volunteers will carry on as before. However I think you'll find there will always be doleys with us. Even if they are on the dole whilst they are in between jobs. There will always be a plentiful supply of doleys.

[scaley back rover]

I currently work on a back to work scheme which is identical to what the tories have proposed. However charities wont sign up to these placements as it goes against their ethos . So unless charities/businesses are forced to take them on it won't happen. To be fair I dont blame the charities, added to that the cost is astronomical as well.

Good thing in principle but will struggle in the long run

[BobG]

Biggest problem is that the thing is aimed at the wrong target. Where's the biggest totals odf waste and scrounging? It's not with kids that's for sure!

BobG

[bobjimwilly]

Like scaley said; charities won't benefit from this, neither will councils - it will be private companies will reach out with jobs they need doing.
Surely when you've got a problem with young people out of work, you create jobs for them?

[BobG]

Don't be silly BJW! Of course you don't. You organise things so these kids become virtually free labour for all your business friends and you make sure that the plebs pick up most of the cost of paying these oiks their shabby dole money through their income tax. It's easy peasy and it don't half help the bottom line of your business mates. You don't even have to train them in anything or pay anything annoying like redundancy. Just chuck em out when you've finished.

Do keep up BJW.

Bob

[Filo]

Don't be silly BJW! Of course you don't. You organise things so these kids become virtually free labour for all your business friends and you make sure that the plebs pick up most of the cost of paying these oiks their shabby dole money through their income tax. It's easy peasy and it don't half help the bottom line of your business mates. You don't even have to train them in anything or pay anything annoying like redundancy. Just chuck em out when you've finished.

Do keep up BJW.

Bob

Nail on the head Bob, it's already happening in the Work Programme, Ideas like this, and Zero hours contracts will ensure the "have's" will always have, and the " have nots" will never have!

[GazLaz]

Don't be silly BJW! Of course you don't. You organise things so these kids become virtually free labour for all your business friends and you make sure that the plebs pick up most of the cost of paying these oiks their shabby dole money through their income tax. It's easy peasy and it don't half help the bottom line of your business mates. You don't even have to train them in anything or pay anything annoying like redundancy. Just chuck em out when you've finished.

Do keep up BJW.

Bob

Nail on the head Bob, it's already happening in the Work Programme, Ideas like this, and Zero hours contracts will ensure the "have's" will always have, and the " have nots" will never have!

That's not the case in this country at all. If you have ambition, drive, a brain and work hard you can achieve. There are a lot of countries in the world where it's just impossible to get on.

[bobjimwilly]

Don't be silly BJW! Of course you don't. You organise things so these kids become virtually free labour for all your business friends and you make sure that the plebs pick up most of the cost of paying these oiks their shabby dole money through their income tax. It's easy peasy and it don't half help the bottom line of your business mates. You don't even have to train them in anything or pay anything annoying like redundancy. Just chuck em out when you've finished.

Do keep up BJW.

Bob

I wish you weren't right BobG

[IC1967]

Like scaley said; charities won't benefit from this, neither will councils - it will be private companies will reach out with jobs they need doing.
Surely when you've got a problem with young people out of work, you create jobs for them?

There in a nutshell we have the problem. Lefties think that the government can magically conjure up jobs for everyone. lefties live in a dream world where the government can sort out all the problems of society and thet can just sit back and wait for the government to sort their lives out.

How do they think government can n do this? By over taxing the rich and borrowing money to make the state bigger and create non jobs.

The only way to create proper jobs is to allow the private sector to grow. It is the private sector that creates jobs. Not government and its time you lefties realise this.

I would also remind you that every Labour government in history has left office with unemployment higher than when they took office. FACT.

[Filo]

All Cameron is doing is weaponising the young unemployed, in the run up to a general election, if it is such a good idea why was n't it included in the benefits reforms at the start of the current government?

[big fat yorkshire pudding]

All Cameron is doing is weaponising the young unemployed, in the run up to a general election, if it is such a good idea why was n't it included in the benefits reforms at the start of the current government?

Lib Dems would never have it.  It is a good idea if it's carried out correctly though.  However, my concern would be how rigid it could be.  When I graduated I was on jobseekers for about a month and spent most of my time applying and attending various interviews.  Sadly, despite my contract being signed I ended up still having to attend sessions or have to pay back some of the money - it was ludicrous.  What they must not do is take away the ability for people to actually apply for jobs....

[BillyStubbsTears]

BFYP

I think what you're saying is that it's him over there who is the feckless, idle one who should be made to work for his benefits, not I over here who am a hardworking person experiencing temporary bad luck.

[big fat yorkshire pudding]

Not at all you thought wrong for a change!  I'm saying it should be situational and not done in a way that hinders those who are looking for work from looking for it.

I know people who missed interviews because they wouldn't change their 'sign-on' time, that is just stupid it really is.  What we don't need is people looking for work not able to actually look for work because they have to do something to earn benefits.  But, if time can be found for them to do something then why not?

[Filo]

Not at all you thought wrong for a change!  I'm saying it should be situational and not done in a way that hinders those who are looking for work from looking for it.

I know people who missed interviews because they wouldn't change their 'sign-on' time, that is just stupid it really is.  What we don't need is people looking for work not able to actually look for work because they have to do something to earn benefits.  But, if time can be found for them to do something then why not?

That exact situation happened to my lad, he was told if he did n't sign on at his allotted time he would lose his jobseekers for 4 weeks, despite the fact that he'd taken the letter in to them with the offer of an interview on it. That convinced me that they are not interested in helping people find employment, just interested in reducing the amount spent on benefits. It's same with zero hour contracts, the amount of hoops you have to jump through is unreal when you need to get your jobseekers back if you have n't had any hours that week, how can people live and plan a life around the uncertainties of zero hour contracts?

[BobG]

Those things should be absolutely top of the agenda in LibDem and Labour manifestos. They're immoral, obscene, exploitative and downright dangerous. They should be illegal. Except for Mick. He can work that way as he seems to like them so much.

BobG

[IC1967]

There's nothing wrong with the zero hours concept. You lefties always look at it from an employee point of view and never consider the employer. It just so happens that this type of contract also suits the employee. It allows them to work when they want to instead of being stuck in a job with rigid hours.

What about the employer? I know you lefties hate all employers but why should they have to pay for staff they don't need? Quite often due to fluctuating customer demand staff numbers need to be flexible. You lefties are only happy if businesses have too many staff. You're not bothered about how efficient they are and whether the burden of full time contacts and all the associated benefits put companies out of business.

It's time you lefties realised it is a competitive world and only the most efficient companies will survive. Not using zero hours contracts would be commercial suicide.

[Glyn_Wigley]

There's nothing wrong with the zero hours concept. You lefties always look at it from an employee point of view and never consider the employer. It just so happens that this type of contract also suits the employee. It allows them to work when they want to instead of being stuck in a job with rigid hours.

What about the employer? I know you lefties hate all employers but why should they have to pay for staff they don't need? Quite often due to fluctuating customer demand staff numbers need to be flexible. You lefties are only happy if businesses have too many staff. You're not bothered about how efficient they are and whether the burden of full time contacts and all the associated benefits put companies out of business.

It's time you lefties realised it is a competitive world and only the most efficient companies will survive. Not using zero hours contracts would be commercial suicide.

Really? I've never heard of a zero-hours contract that allows the employee to determine when they work. I'm sure you can enlighten me. As you so regularly say, evidence man.

[IC1967]

There's nothing wrong with the zero hours concept. You lefties always look at it from an employee point of view and never consider the employer. It just so happens that this type of contract also suits the employee. It allows them to work when they want to instead of being stuck in a job with rigid hours.

What about the employer? I know you lefties hate all employers but why should they have to pay for staff they don't need? Quite often due to fluctuating customer demand staff numbers need to be flexible. You lefties are only happy if businesses have too many staff. You're not bothered about how efficient they are and whether the burden of full time contacts and all the associated benefits put companies out of business.

It's time you lefties realised it is a competitive world and only the most efficient companies will survive. Not using zero hours contracts would be commercial suicide.

Really? I've never heard of a zero-hours contract that allows the employee to determine when they work. I'm sure you can enlighten me. As you so regularly say, evidence man.

Well if you didn't know then you are showing your ignorance. It is common knowledge. However I'm sure most lefties believe zero hours contracts are only for the benefit of employers. This is not surprising as you have a distorted outlook on life and are anti business. You look for anything with which to slag off businesses whether it's true or not.

No need to provide evidence. A quick Google will sort out your ignorance.

Another thing, it is only a tiny minority of employees that don't like these contracts. They work perfectly well for most people. Especially when you get older and are cash rich but time poor. They are the perfect solution. The tiny minority that don't like these contracts would prefer a proper contract with regular hours.  Fair enough. But a job with a zero hours contract is better than no job.

There is a reason that the Tories have helped create more jobs in the UK than the rest of Europe put together. It's partly because we have a flexible work force with flexible employment opportunities.

If you want full time contracts with loads of benefits may I suggest you get a job in the public sector or go to a socialist country such as France where you can join their dole queue. In France if you do get a job you'll be well looked after. Unfortunately the chances are you won't get a job as employers won't want to take you on because they can't afford it.

I know what I'd prefer.

Thank goodness there is someone around like me to give the correct perspective on issues like zero hours contracts. Left to you lefties people would have completely the wrong view of them as demonstrated by you.

[bobjimwilly]

haha love this, "I don't need to provide evidence because it's common knowledge"... 

[Dagenham Rover]

Its common knowledge that zero hours contracts are hated by most employees and abused by most employers 

[wilts rover]

It's common knowledge that Mick is a ................. (fill in the blanks yourself!)

[Glyn_Wigley]

haha love this, "I don't need to provide evidence because it's common knowledge"... 

It's his standard cop-out when he can't prove anything...!

[IC1967]

haha love this, "I don't need to provide evidence because it's common knowledge"... 

It is common knowledge. You are also showing your ignorance.

[IC1967]

Its common knowledge that zero hours contracts are hated by most employees and abused by most employers 

Wrong. You too have been brainwashed by lefties.

[IC1967]

It's common knowledge that Mick is an expert on zero hours contracts unlike lefties.