Black Bank - Flag Designs

[Silkscarf]

If we make evil looking designs the centrefold of our new kop ..  I don't see the fit with  the club's central strategy of being a friendly  community club . You don't need to be 'hard' to be enthusiastic .. just look at the flags and banners on the Liverpool kop . They are more about furthering the image of the club they support and boasting their successes . 

I agree that the skull style stuff needn't be the focus, but I don't see a conflict with it and the club being a "community club". This is for one section of the support. Many factions, one club, one aim. I'll say again, variety is good and the bland monochrome of the Keepmoat is what's going to change. Something everyone can celebrate by embracing their part of the ground and not criticising the other areas.

Maybe the East and West and other sections can think about what "they" want, and make it happen in their sections. That may be comfy seats, waiter service or whatever... something for everyone 

Humour always works best for me. The old (Anfield) Kop of the '70s/'80s used to come up with some good ones. But we have too - the whole pub team having a laugh / TLO Doncaster thing are great and unite us all. We all agree with that sentiment and kow what it means.

Taking yourself too seriously looks a bit daft to me. So don't go too mad on looking 'hard'.
 

[idler]

 

[roversontheup]

Every time I try to put my thoughts on these flag designs, into words, I end up sounding like an octogenarian who has had a sense of humour transplant.  Believe me I am neither of those!

But......IMHO the flags should allow fans to display a sense of unity and togetherness about Rovers. They should intimidate the opposition and bolster our own support and team by the volume of this visual display and volume of the sound accompanying it.

To do that you surely need a design or designs that all fans are comfortable with and feel they can identify with.  Even those fans who don't sit in the south stand and won't be waving one needs to buy into it.  That way you just might increase the vocal support from the east and west stands.

[idler]

I put a tenner in to buy into the idea rather than a definite flag.
When the designs are in I'll vote if given a choice. If my choice wins fair enough, if not it's no big deal.
What we need is a United front where all fans buy into the idea of improving the atmosphere.
A successful start with the first flag might snowball into further ones. 

[Filo]

I put a tenner in to buy into the idea rather than a definite flag.
When the designs are in I'll vote if given a choice. If my choice wins fair enough, if not it's no big deal.
What we need is a United front where all fans buy into the idea of improving the atmosphere.
A successful start with the first flag might snowball into further ones. 

You'd need a fair few more of the all mouth no action brigade to dig into their pockets for more flags, the paltry sum of just over £500 so far is n't going to stretch very far!

[graingrover]

I have already contributed and if there was a choice of say 6 designs of flag / banner I might put in another tenner to vote for my prefered choice . I would also like to know who are the custodians of the flag and what are the procedures for displaying and retrieving it at matches ( names please ). I used to be a member of the Exiles but never saw a flag or banner ever anywhere to show our support .  There needs to be accountabilty when asking for folk's money to support ideas .

[BlackBank]

Filo, Crowdfuner isn't our only fundraising activity, we have a few things lined up for our remaining home games to get people to part with their cash!

Also, berating those that haven't donated yet isn't massively constructive. Remember, we've actually exceeded our target! While we appreciate massively all those that have chucked a few quid in the pot we don't want this to become another divisive thing at Rovers, we've got enough of those already.

Graingrover, we're working with the club to ensure that flags don't mysteriously disappear, at the moment we hope to have them stored at the ground and with access to them limited. Finer points of this will be ironed out when we actually have some flags! The financial side will have oversight from Jenny, who I belive used to the VSCs books so hopefully people will feel reassured that their money will be spent wisely.

All, Rovers fans have a habit of collectively pulling things to pieces, weather you think the SS shouldn't be unreserved, the logo doesn't look great or as someone once told me "we'll NEVER have an atmosphere at the Keepmoat". Let's buck the trend and actually back something to succeed. Dare to dream, as someone with very nice teeth once said.

[StocktonRover]

On the pub team theme we could have a selection of flags bearing pub names with a mixture of logos on them.

Perhaps things like bay horse rovers, Kings head reds, etc but then stick Vikings, crests or whatever on them?

[Silkscarf]

I just like the red and white checquered ones. I waved those at Stoke/Wembley/Mansion House etc etc. Loads of them together look great. A few clever / funny ones as well and it looks brilliant.

[duggiesmyhero]

How about one with Donny agro, donny agro with clarksons face on the flag

[Copps is Magic]

Can I suggest the purpose is not to create one or two flags that people are happy with but to create multiple flags for different purposes. I.e. some that can be waved on flag poles, some that can be held in the 'ultra' two pole method, some that just contain a message and are held up across the stand, some that can be draped on stanchions etc etc.

I think we should also look into spending some of the money on card displays and other paraphernalia.

[godlike1]

Variation on a theme.

I like that one

What about our Viking logo enjoying a pint 🍺 along the lines of the pub team theme mentioned?

[Mr1Croft]

Variation on a theme.

I like that one

What about our Viking logo enjoying a pint 🍺 along the lines of the pub team theme mentioned?

Its illegal to drink in view of the pitch, unfortunatley.

[wesisback]

Some good ideas on here today - any amateur graphic designers who can bring them to life?

[Nudga]

How about a south stand length one, galatataseray style "Welcome...... to TLO Doncaster f**kin Rovers"

[Copps is Magic]

[River Don]

Alright,

I'll admit it, I suggested Black Bank as a name for the stadium years ago on the old Viking chat forum, in the days when Sturdy was running it.

Me and my mates were talking about what would be a good name for a ground in that area when the new stadium was still under consideration. One lad said his nan used to live on a street there and they called it Black Bank. It sounded Northern, it sounded good, it suggested coal and industry. It was a good name for a stadium for Doncaster Rovers to play at.

As for skulls as a badge.. I'm reminded of Mitchell and Webb who did a sketch about the Nazis, when one member of the Wehrmacht realises, all these skulls... Are we the goodies? I mean the allies have stiripes and stars and things, they're quite nice. But we have little skulls!

No proper Vikings for me.

[idler]

I like this one. It's a bit like an irreverent two fingers to the opposition. You might be better than us but we fear nobody.
It's also referring to the opposing team rather than their fans.

[KnottingleyRover]

I like what they have done at Wigan,flags hanging from the roof of the stand,think it looks good. C:\Mobile\Attachments\Flags.png

[Boomstick]

No, we haven't been upsetting the odds, just achieving our potential.
Also don't like the crypto communist undertones to that design.
You do realise the ussr collapsed, and England was never part of it? Quite the opposite.

Commie barsteward

[Copps is Magic]

I'm more of a socialist mucker but I think the finer distinctions in life may be lost on you anyway. Like the line between undertone and satirical play on a theme.

Anyway, I've submitted some designs (I won't be doing any more). I fear the TDFs are eventually going to ruin this whole project. Lord knows their positivity is infectious.

Bye.

[The Red Baron]

I have to say I didn't like the hammer and sickle on that design although the sentiments behind it were good.

There is a problem here in that a lot of the proposed designs - the skulls being but one example - are likely to be thought tasteless or even offensive by someone.

Take the JR/ August Revolution flag. A brilliant piece of work IMO, but likely to be poorly received by someone from, say, Estonia, where Lenin was seen as an oppressor.

[Boomstick]

I'm more of a socialist mucker but I think the finer distinctions in life may be lost on you anyway. Like the line between undertone and satirical play on a theme.

Anyway, I've submitted some designs (I won't be doing any more). I fear the TDFs are eventually going to ruin this whole project. Lord knows their positivity is infectious.

Bye.

Satirical play on theme, what theme? Why is that satire relevant to drfc?  What is the relevance here?
I think you trying to cover up your political undertones by calling it satire.
The hammer and sickle symbolism, (oppressive and violent socialism) has no place in our country.
Quite frankly I find it offensive

[Copps is Magic]

TRB.

With all due respect, that is a ridiculous point to make.

How about if we went down a very traditional route? Say, a St George's cross or a union jack, for example, with the words 'Doncaster Rovers' written all over. (In your world) Do you know how many people across the globe (seems we are now going global) would be offended by those two symbols! It's millions. The England flag for example has been synonymous with the far right in this country for decades, heck it's even mildly offensive to my tastes.

Context is absolutely everything. And you are providing non of it. Maybe you are genuinely worried about offending the Estonian branch of our supporters club (are they still running busses?) or maybe not.

Let me tell you the context - the banner is a satirical take on 'solidarity' or 'unity' that rovers fans have faced as the (supposed) underdogs against all these 'bigger' team over the years. Nothing more, nothing less.

It seems to me the bigger issue reading this thread is that for every submitted design we are getting 10 people chipping in with such irrelevant and petty opinions that nothing ever goes anywhere. People are too quick to believe they have a right not to be offended. You don't.

[Copps is Magic]

I'm more of a socialist mucker but I think the finer distinctions in life may be lost on you anyway. Like the line between undertone and satirical play on a theme.

Anyway, I've submitted some designs (I won't be doing any more). I fear the TDFs are eventually going to ruin this whole project. Lord knows their positivity is infectious.

Bye.

Satirical play on theme, what theme? Why is that satire relevant to drfc?  What is the relevance here?
I think you trying to cover up your political undertones by calling it satire.
The hammer and sickle symbolism, (oppressive and violent socialism) has no place in our country.
Quite frankly I find it offensive

I find you offensive. You're a top class potato.

[Copps is Magic]

On second thoughts, I take the first part of my above post back. Your miserablness doesn't bother me either way.

The second part, however, - the part about you being a potato - I stand by wholeheartedly.

[The Red Baron]

BST. Re the example above. Someone I know who visits the Baltic States regularly told me that the Ryan / Lenin design would be thought offensive over there. In fact he said if I wore that on a t-shirt over there I might get beaten up.

And before you ask I don't advocate the use of the Union or St George flags within the context of this project. Those should be kept for England games.

[Copps is Magic]

TRB.

That you thought I was BST has me slightly worried.

The point I would make in reply is the swastika is nearly universally seen in Europe as an offensive symbol yet in Hinduism it is a sacred symbol.

Who is right?

No one.

Let's not get our contexts mixed up is the point.

[The Red Baron]

Sorry CiM. Shouldn't try to read or type without my glasses on.

I was trying to make a wider point actually, I.e. That whatever is proposed is likely to upset someone, somewhere. That is the difficulty we face, unless we either go for something bland or use the club logo on everything. I don't think either fit with the ethos that the Black Bankers are trying to promote.

[Boomstick]

On second thoughts, I take the first part of my above post back. Your miserablness doesn't bother me either way.

The second part, however, - the part about you being a potato - I stand by wholeheartedly.

Hahahaha ..... Potato