TTIP (not yet been introduced)

[IC1967]

Here's the latest developments. I just thought I'd post this, as many of you may be under the impression that the Tories had already introduced it if you've read any of daft Bob's musings on the issue.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-32916750

[BobG]

Oh look ! Our Resident Idiot (please note, carefully, the correct use of capital letters Mick) thinks he can pretend to be clever all over again. This is old news Idiot. Those that care have already taken all the steps they need to.

BobG

PS I see you're back after a few days absence Mick. How's the treatment going?

[IC1967]

Oh look ! Our Resident Idiot (please note, carefully, the correct use of capital letters Mick) thinks he can pretend to be clever all over again. This is old news Idiot. Those that care have already taken all the steps they need to.

BobG

PS I see you're back after a few days absence Mick. How's the treatment going?

Hahahahahahaha! You do make me laugh daft Bob. What's happened to you ignoring my excellent posts?

IC1967

[jonrover]

TTIP is shocking, A very dangerous trade deal that will undermine our democracy and not have any benefits for anyone apart from the corporate elite who will have license to do what ever they please. The thing that makes me shudder the most id the ISDS clause, giving corporations the right to sue nations if they implement anything, (like tax rises, stronger health and safety laws or wage increases), if this is deemed to interfere with a companies ability to make profit. It also demands a smoothing over of such things across nations to prevent unfair advantages, so get ready for our minimum wage, health and safety laws and things like family friendly policy to be ripped up as they are stronger protections than in the USA so are a barrier to profit. The real pisser is the fact that these ISDS claims are made through secretive arbitration courts, run by 15 or so corporate law firms, with no jury or appeal system, outside the jurisdiction of  national justice systems. People seem to be opening their eyes to the danger, which it probably why Cameron is desperate to put "rocket boosters" under negotiations. And it will make the NHS privatisation permanent as ISDS also has a clause preventing nationalisations and will cost billions to do so in fines. Its an undemocratic disgrace and needs stopping. 

[IC1967]

TTIP is shocking, A very dangerous trade deal that will undermine our democracy and not have any benefits for anyone apart from the corporate elite who will have license to do what ever they please. The thing that makes me shudder the most id the ISDS clause, giving corporations the right to sue nations if they implement anything, (like tax rises, stronger health and safety laws or wage increases), if this is deemed to interfere with a companies ability to make profit. It also demands a smoothing over of such things across nations to prevent unfair advantages, so get ready for our minimum wage, health and safety laws and things like family friendly policy to be ripped up as they are stronger protections than in the USA so are a barrier to profit. The real pisser is the fact that these ISDS claims are made through secretive arbitration courts, run by 15 or so corporate law firms, with no jury or appeal system, outside the jurisdiction of  national justice systems. People seem to be opening their eyes to the danger, which it probably why Cameron is desperate to put "rocket boosters" under negotiations. And it will make the NHS privatisation permanent as ISDS also has a clause preventing nationalisations and will cost billions to do so in fines. Its an undemocratic disgrace and needs stopping.

Well you know what to do about it don't you or do you? I suspect you and the vast majority of people opposed to TTIP haven't got a clue about the best way to make sure it doesn't affect us.

I'll be providing the answer later if you and your leftie mates can't work it out.

[jonrover]

Leave the EU? No chance, Cameron has played all the Tory voters for fools. Even he doesn't want us to leave the EU, or to reduce immigration, as more workers = lower wages. He just wants rid of the social charter and human rights act which will give him and his business lobbyists cart blanche to kick workers into the dirt.

[IC1967]

Leave the EU? No chance, Cameron has played all the Tory voters for fools. Even he doesn't want us to leave the EU, or to reduce immigration, as more workers = lower wages. He just wants rid of the social charter and human rights act which will give him and his business lobbyists cart blanche to kick workers into the dirt.

You need to stop living in the past. These days we don't need trade unions. I'll agree we did in the past but we don't anymore. Because we have full employment, if a company doesn't treat its workers right they will leave and the company will go out of business. It is a very foolish employer that doesn't look after its workers and a very foolish employee that stays with a bad employer.

Leaving the EU is the best way to get rid of TTIP but I bet most of the opponents of it want to stay in the EU. Unbelievable. Take daft Bob for instance. He is massively against TTIP but is massively in favour of staying in the EU. You couldn't make it up.

Look. Its very simple. We need to leave the EU then we can negotiate our own trade deals that suit the UK and not just Germany and France. We'd also be able to control immigration.

Correct me if I'm wrong but I bet you are all for staying in the EU. You need to cop yourself on.

[wilts rover]

TTIP is shocking, A very dangerous trade deal that will undermine our democracy and not have any benefits for anyone apart from the corporate elite who will have license to do what ever they please. The thing that makes me shudder the most id the ISDS clause, giving corporations the right to sue nations if they implement anything, (like tax rises, stronger health and safety laws or wage increases), if this is deemed to interfere with a companies ability to make profit. It also demands a smoothing over of such things across nations to prevent unfair advantages, so get ready for our minimum wage, health and safety laws and things like family friendly policy to be ripped up as they are stronger protections than in the USA so are a barrier to profit. The real pisser is the fact that these ISDS claims are made through secretive arbitration courts, run by 15 or so corporate law firms, with no jury or appeal system, outside the jurisdiction of  national justice systems. People seem to be opening their eyes to the danger, which it probably why Cameron is desperate to put "rocket boosters" under negotiations. And it will make the NHS privatisation permanent as ISDS also has a clause preventing nationalisations and will cost billions to do so in fines. Its an undemocratic disgrace and needs stopping.

Well you know what to do about it don't you or do you? I suspect you and the vast majority of people opposed to TTIP haven't got a clue about the best way to make sure it doesn't affect us.

I'll be providing the answer later if you and your leftie mates can't work it out.

TTIP is shocking, A very dangerous trade deal that will undermine our democracy and not have any benefits for anyone apart from the corporate elite who will have license to do what ever they please. The thing that makes me shudder the most id the ISDS clause, giving corporations the right to sue nations if they implement anything, (like tax rises, stronger health and safety laws or wage increases), if this is deemed to interfere with a companies ability to make profit. It also demands a smoothing over of such things across nations to prevent unfair advantages, so get ready for our minimum wage, health and safety laws and things like family friendly policy to be ripped up as they are stronger protections than in the USA so are a barrier to profit. The real pisser is the fact that these ISDS claims are made through secretive arbitration courts, run by 15 or so corporate law firms, with no jury or appeal system, outside the jurisdiction of  national justice systems. People seem to be opening their eyes to the danger, which it probably why Cameron is desperate to put "rocket boosters" under negotiations. And it will make the NHS privatisation permanent as ISDS also has a clause preventing nationalisations and will cost billions to do so in fines. Its an undemocratic disgrace and needs stopping.

Well you know what to do about it don't you or do you? I suspect you and the vast majority of people opposed to TTIP haven't got a clue about the best way to make sure it doesn't affect us.

I'll be providing the answer later if you and your leftie mates can't work it out.

Does it involve dropping leaflets in Esperanto on the EU Parliament and then machine-gunning anyone who picks them up?

Just a guess like based on your previous 'thoughts'.

[Glyn_Wigley]

No, Mick's vision is based on the predicate that the 'negotiations' involve everybody else agreeing with what the UK wants instead of looking after their own self-interests.

[jonrover]

Leave the EU? No chance, Cameron has played all the Tory voters for fools. Even he doesn't want us to leave the EU, or to reduce immigration, as more workers = lower wages. He just wants rid of the social charter and human rights act which will give him and his business lobbyists cart blanche to kick workers into the dirt.

You need to stop living in the past. These days we don't need trade unions. I'll agree we did in the past but we don't anymore. Because we have full employment, if a company doesn't treat its workers right they will leave and the company will go out of business. It is a very foolish employer that doesn't look after its workers and a very foolish employee that stays with a bad employer.

Leaving the EU is the best way to get rid of TTIP but I bet most of the opponents of it want to stay in the EU. Unbelievable. Take daft Bob for instance. He is massively against TTIP but is massively in favour of staying in the EU. You couldn't make it up.

Look. Its very simple. We need to leave the EU then we can negotiate our own trade deals that suit the UK and not just Germany and France. We'd also be able to control immigration.

Correct me if I'm wrong but I bet you are all for staying in the EU. You need to cop yourself on.

If we didn't need trade unions and if they were no longer relevant then why are the Tories pushing through more legislative barriers to make it more difficult for them to operate? Because they know the only opposition to the shit the Tories are planning will come from the trade unions. It is no coincidence that the inequality gap has widened at the same rate of decline in union membership since 1979.  Unions are more relevant than ever. And I don't know where you have thought up the idea that we have full employment and you can easily move from one job to the next. You are living in la-la land.

It matters not if we pull out of the EU or we stay in with regard to TTIP. If TTIP fails there are a raft of other damaging trade deals in the pipeline that a UK in or out of the EU will happily sign away because it suits the Tories natural voter. Cameron will be more than happy to sign away our democracy to the corporate elite because that is his background and where he will end up in 5 years when Boris takes over...as an executive at Morgan Stanley or somewhere similar.

[BobG]

Is our Resident Arsehole still trying to defend the indefensible? Good God Mick! Not even a blind, sclerotic, half wit is falling for the lunacy of TTIP. If you are, what on Earth is wrong with you? It must be chuffing serious.

Oh, By the way. Have you learned the use of capital letters yet?

Cheers

BobG

[IC1967]

No, Mick's vision is based on the predicate that the 'negotiations' involve everybody else agreeing with what the UK wants instead of looking after their own self-interests.

And there you have it. You are quite happy for the dominant countries in the EU, Germany and France to negotiate on our behalf. Pathetic.

Yes I would rather the UK negotiates with its own self interest at heart. Only a fool would think doing otherwise was the right way forward.

You stand condemned as a fool. But we knew that already.

[IC1967]

Is our Resident Arsehole still trying to defend the indefensible? Good God Mick! Not even a blind, sclerotic, half wit is falling for the lunacy of TTIP. If you are, what on Earth is wrong with you? It must be chuffing serious.

Oh, By the way. Have you learned the use of capital letters yet?

Cheers

BobG

Excuse me daft Bob. You're the one defending the indefensible. You hate TTIP but love the EU who are negotiating TTIP in the best interests of Germany and France.

You couldn't make it up.

Let me explain. To get rid of your hated TTIP we need to leave the EU. Then we negotiate our own trade deals with whoever we want in the interests of the UK. We are quite a large economy you know. We are capable of negotiating trade deals on our own behalf you know.

What do you want? To stay in the EU no matter what! That daft Bob is what is indefensible (and contradictory).

Did you read the article I posted? Can you show any of us where your claim that TTIP is being introduced by the Tories can be validated? There is absolutely no mention of the Tories. Indeed there is a mention of the Labour party though isn't there? Here's the relevant bit -

But British Labour MEP David Martin praised the report's demand for "strong protection of labour and environmental rules" and "bringing an end to secret investor tribunals".

Now get an abject apology sorted for being economical with the truth and defending the indefensible. Get on with it man and save what little face you have left around here.

IC1967

[IC1967]

Leave the EU? No chance, Cameron has played all the Tory voters for fools. Even he doesn't want us to leave the EU, or to reduce immigration, as more workers = lower wages. He just wants rid of the social charter and human rights act which will give him and his business lobbyists cart blanche to kick workers into the dirt.

You need to stop living in the past. These days we don't need trade unions. I'll agree we did in the past but we don't anymore. Because we have full employment, if a company doesn't treat its workers right they will leave and the company will go out of business. It is a very foolish employer that doesn't look after its workers and a very foolish employee that stays with a bad employer.

Leaving the EU is the best way to get rid of TTIP but I bet most of the opponents of it want to stay in the EU. Unbelievable. Take daft Bob for instance. He is massively against TTIP but is massively in favour of staying in the EU. You couldn't make it up.

Look. Its very simple. We need to leave the EU then we can negotiate our own trade deals that suit the UK and not just Germany and France. We'd also be able to control immigration.

Correct me if I'm wrong but I bet you are all for staying in the EU. You need to cop yourself on.

If we didn't need trade unions and if they were no longer relevant then why are the Tories pushing through more legislative barriers to make it more difficult for them to operate? Because they know the only opposition to the shit the Tories are planning will come from the trade unions. It is no coincidence that the inequality gap has widened at the same rate of decline in union membership since 1979.  Unions are more relevant than ever. And I don't know where you have thought up the idea that we have full employment and you can easily move from one job to the next. You are living in la-la land.

It matters not if we pull out of the EU or we stay in with regard to TTIP. If TTIP fails there are a raft of other damaging trade deals in the pipeline that a UK in or out of the EU will happily sign away because it suits the Tories natural voter. Cameron will be more than happy to sign away our democracy to the corporate elite because that is his background and where he will end up in 5 years when Boris takes over...as an executive at Morgan Stanley or somewhere similar.

The Tories are making it more difficult for trade unions to go on strike you say. How much more difficult I hear people ask? The Tories want 40% or more to be in favour of industrial action before a strike can be called. Hardly draconian if you don't mind me saying.

Your linking the inequality gap to the demise of trade union membership is ridiculous. We have a bigger inequality gap because Labour were in power for far too long and created a dependency culture and put most people on benefits. Its going to take more than one parliament for the Tories to put that one right.

Unions are totally irrelevant these days but I'm glad they are still around. Their link with Labour is toxic for the party and will help ensure that Labour remain unelectable for a generation. Indeed I'd go further. Labour are finished as a party of government thanks to the likes of you and BST. The country does not want socialism but you lot just don't get it do you.

We do have full employment. The only reason we still have British people 'unemployed' is because we've let millions in who have taken the jobs that were available. If we'd controlled immigration there would be no-one on the dole and the chances of finding another job if needed would have greatly increased. This in turn would have meant that employers would have to look after workers or risk going out of business due to no-one wanting to work for them. If you want workers looking after properly then we need control of immigration. We don't need everyone signed up to leftie trade unions.

It matters not if we stay or pull out of the EU in regard to TTIP. Are you having a laugh? Of course it does for the reasons I've outlined before.

I think you should clean up the mess in your own back yard before slagging Dave off if he makes a bit of money after he leaves office. Have you heard of Tony Bliar? That crook is making millions on the back of being a previous prime minister.

Now given your views I'd sign up to the Greens if I were you. Your views are a total irrelevance in the modern world. You need to join a party of like minded people where you can sit around in your sandals pontificating on matters that you will never have any influence over. If you are thinking of joining Labour don't bother. They will turn into a pale imitation of the Tory party. Why join Labour when you can have the real thing? UKIP? Don't bother. We don't want the likes of you joining us.

Now get an abject apology sorted for all the pointless drivel you've spouted and we'll say no more about it.

Get on with it man. You know you should.

[BillyStubbsTears]

It is no coincidence that the inequality gap has widened at the same rate of decline in union membership since 1979. 

jonrover

Bang on

Gini coefficient for the UK.


Or, if you prefer, the income share of the top 1%


Trades Union membership in the UK


We were a desperately unequal society before WWII. Then trades union membership grew and workers could demand a larger slice of the pie. There was a revolution in the 1980s. Trades unions were smashed and the result was that the wealth that has been generated over the past 30-odd years has predominantly lined the pockets of the very wealthiest.

The Thatcherites say that we HAD to do that, to enable our economy to grow. They say that trades unions were strangling the economy and stopping the dynamism of the wealthiest being let loose to create a stronger economy. That is utter and demonstrable bullshit. Growth after 1980 has been worse than it was from 1945-1980.



It is a fact that over the past 100 years, the longest spell of stable, strong growth in the economy came during the period when we had the highest union membership, and when incomes were distributed most fairly. Before and after that period, we had fewer trade union members, poorer growth and more of the growth going into the pockets of the richest few %. It is a f***ing disgrace to be perfectly frank and we've all been hoodwinked into swallowing the Big Lie.

It'll change one day, when people realise that they were taken for fools by Thatcherism and, to be fair, New Labour who did bugger all to reverse the trend.

[wilts rover]

Excuse me daft Bob. You're the one defending the indefensible. You hate TTIP but love the EU who are negotiating TTIP in the best interests of Germany and France.

You couldn't make it up.

Let me explain. To get rid of your hated TTIP we need to leave the EU. Then we negotiate our own trade deals with whoever we want in the interests of the UK. We are quite a large economy you know. We are capable of negotiating trade deals on our own behalf you know.

What do you want? To stay in the EU no matter what! That daft Bob is what is indefensible (and contradictory).

Did you read the article I posted? Can you show any of us where your claim that TTIP is being introduced by the Tories can be validated? There is absolutely no mention of the Tories. Indeed there is a mention of the Labour party though isn't there? Here's the relevant bit -

But British Labour MEP David Martin praised the report's demand for "strong protection of labour and environmental rules" and "bringing an end to secret investor tribunals".

Now get an abject apology sorted for being economical with the truth and defending the indefensible. Get on with it man and save what little face you have left around here.

IC1967

As Bob doesn't read your posts do you mind if I reply as it makes my piss boil when people begin making up false allegations?

Should you have done a quick internet search before you posted you would have found the answer to your question, whilst also knowing how stupid the first comment I have highlighted is. This from the Conservative MEP offical site:

Conservatives in the European Parliament today hailed a pledge by the Prime Minister's to put "rocket boosters" behind the planned EU-US trade deal.

Tory MEPs have played a key role in driving forward negotiations on the so-called Trans-Atlantic Trade and Investment Partnership (TTIP) which they believe can be worth billions to Britain's economy.

Emma McClarkin, joint Conservative spokesman on trade, is also leading a policy working group of the European Conservatives and Reformists Group in the parliament which aims to set the agenda for the talks.

http://conservativeeurope.com/news/conservative-meps-welcome-prime-minister-s-commitment-on-ttip

You may address your apology to either Bob or myself.

[jonrover]

Leave the EU? No chance, Cameron has played all the Tory voters for fools. Even he doesn't want us to leave the EU, or to reduce immigration, as more workers = lower wages. He just wants rid of the social charter and human rights act which will give him and his business lobbyists cart blanche to kick workers into the dirt.

You need to stop living in the past. These days we don't need trade unions. I'll agree we did in the past but we don't anymore. Because we have full employment, if a company doesn't treat its workers right they will leave and the company will go out of business. It is a very foolish employer that doesn't look after its workers and a very foolish employee that stays with a bad employer.

Leaving the EU is the best way to get rid of TTIP but I bet most of the opponents of it want to stay in the EU. Unbelievable. Take daft Bob for instance. He is massively against TTIP but is massively in favour of staying in the EU. You couldn't make it up.

Look. Its very simple. We need to leave the EU then we can negotiate our own trade deals that suit the UK and not just Germany and France. We'd also be able to control immigration.

Correct me if I'm wrong but I bet you are all for staying in the EU. You need to cop yourself on.

If we didn't need trade unions and if they were no longer relevant then why are the Tories pushing through more legislative barriers to make it more difficult for them to operate? Because they know the only opposition to the shit the Tories are planning will come from the trade unions. It is no coincidence that the inequality gap has widened at the same rate of decline in union membership since 1979.  Unions are more relevant than ever. And I don't know where you have thought up the idea that we have full employment and you can easily move from one job to the next. You are living in la-la land.

It matters not if we pull out of the EU or we stay in with regard to TTIP. If TTIP fails there are a raft of other damaging trade deals in the pipeline that a UK in or out of the EU will happily sign away because it suits the Tories natural voter. Cameron will be more than happy to sign away our democracy to the corporate elite because that is his background and where he will end up in 5 years when Boris takes over...as an executive at Morgan Stanley or somewhere similar.

The Tories are making it more difficult for trade unions to go on strike you say. How much more difficult I hear people ask? The Tories want 40% or more to be in favour of industrial action before a strike can be called. Hardly draconian if you don't mind me saying.

Your linking the inequality gap to the demise of trade union membership is ridiculous. We have a bigger inequality gap because Labour were in power for far too long and created a dependency culture and put most people on benefits. Its going to take more than one parliament for the Tories to put that one right.

Unions are totally irrelevant these days but I'm glad they are still around. Their link with Labour is toxic for the party and will help ensure that Labour remain unelectable for a generation. Indeed I'd go further. Labour are finished as a party of government thanks to the likes of you and BST. The country does not want socialism but you lot just don't get it do you.

We do have full employment. The only reason we still have British people 'unemployed' is because we've let millions in who have taken the jobs that were available. If we'd controlled immigration there would be no-one on the dole and the chances of finding another job if needed would have greatly increased. This in turn would have meant that employers would have to look after workers or risk going out of business due to no-one wanting to work for them. If you want workers looking after properly then we need control of immigration. We don't need everyone signed up to leftie trade unions.

It matters not if we stay or pull out of the EU in regard to TTIP. Are you having a laugh? Of course it does for the reasons I've outlined before.

I think you should clean up the mess in your own back yard before slagging Dave off if he makes a bit of money after he leaves office. Have you heard of Tony Bliar? That crook is making millions on the back of being a previous prime minister.

Now given your views I'd sign up to the Greens if I were you. Your views are a total irrelevance in the modern world. You need to join a party of like minded people where you can sit around in your sandals pontificating on matters that you will never have any influence over. If you are thinking of joining Labour don't bother. They will turn into a pale imitation of the Tory party. Why join Labour when you can have the real thing? UKIP? Don't bother. We don't want the likes of you joining us.

Now get an abject apology sorted for all the pointless drivel you've spouted and we'll say no more about it.

Get on with it man. You know you should.

Firstly, tell me how many MP's are elected on a 40% majority and then come back and tell me its fair. The 40% threshold matters not at the union I work for. The executive council have changed the rule book to commit to fighting for members both inside and outside of the law if need be. So, if the members want to wildcat because there is no longer any point in balloting properly then we will see what happens. That is what the Tories will drive some unions to do (some, because not all will have the leadership with the cajones) and if this is the will of the members, so be it.

Secondly, I have been a fully paid up member of the Labour Party for 5 years. And even though I am questioning severely the path the party seems to be taking after the defeat, moving back towards a pale shade of Tory policy; a continued Neo-Liberal /Thatcherite bag of nonsense, if I do chuck my card in it won't be to the benefit of the Greens.

[BillyStubbsTears]

Jon

That obnoxious little Tory Boy Dominic Raab was on the radio a couple of years ago promoting his Private Member's Bill requiring unions to get 50% of their membership to vote for strike action for it to be legal.

I got through on the phone-in and pointed out to Raab that even in one of the safest Tory seats in the country, only 42% of the registered electorate in his constituency voted for him in 2010. So, by his logic, he shouldn't have the legal right to act as MP. He said that was nonsense and a totally different issue. When I asked him why it was a totally different issue, he changed the subject and the presenter moved on.

Kitson.

[jonrover]

But then I'd expect nothing different from Raab, or any other Tory for that matter, The solution to the problem is simple too; secure online voting. It will see participation in ballots and other elections double if not treble. But, of course, that won't suit their agenda either will it! Union officials will just have to get off their arses and get organising their members. It might even be a blessing in disguise in that respect.
 

[IC1967]

Leave the EU? No chance, Cameron has played all the Tory voters for fools. Even he doesn't want us to leave the EU, or to reduce immigration, as more workers = lower wages. He just wants rid of the social charter and human rights act which will give him and his business lobbyists cart blanche to kick workers into the dirt.

You need to stop living in the past. These days we don't need trade unions. I'll agree we did in the past but we don't anymore. Because we have full employment, if a company doesn't treat its workers right they will leave and the company will go out of business. It is a very foolish employer that doesn't look after its workers and a very foolish employee that stays with a bad employer.

Leaving the EU is the best way to get rid of TTIP but I bet most of the opponents of it want to stay in the EU. Unbelievable. Take daft Bob for instance. He is massively against TTIP but is massively in favour of staying in the EU. You couldn't make it up.

Look. Its very simple. We need to leave the EU then we can negotiate our own trade deals that suit the UK and not just Germany and France. We'd also be able to control immigration.

Correct me if I'm wrong but I bet you are all for staying in the EU. You need to cop yourself on.

If we didn't need trade unions and if they were no longer relevant then why are the Tories pushing through more legislative barriers to make it more difficult for them to operate? Because they know the only opposition to the shit the Tories are planning will come from the trade unions. It is no coincidence that the inequality gap has widened at the same rate of decline in union membership since 1979.  Unions are more relevant than ever. And I don't know where you have thought up the idea that we have full employment and you can easily move from one job to the next. You are living in la-la land.

It matters not if we pull out of the EU or we stay in with regard to TTIP. If TTIP fails there are a raft of other damaging trade deals in the pipeline that a UK in or out of the EU will happily sign away because it suits the Tories natural voter. Cameron will be more than happy to sign away our democracy to the corporate elite because that is his background and where he will end up in 5 years when Boris takes over...as an executive at Morgan Stanley or somewhere similar.

The Tories are making it more difficult for trade unions to go on strike you say. How much more difficult I hear people ask? The Tories want 40% or more to be in favour of industrial action before a strike can be called. Hardly draconian if you don't mind me saying.

Your linking the inequality gap to the demise of trade union membership is ridiculous. We have a bigger inequality gap because Labour were in power for far too long and created a dependency culture and put most people on benefits. Its going to take more than one parliament for the Tories to put that one right.

Unions are totally irrelevant these days but I'm glad they are still around. Their link with Labour is toxic for the party and will help ensure that Labour remain unelectable for a generation. Indeed I'd go further. Labour are finished as a party of government thanks to the likes of you and BST. The country does not want socialism but you lot just don't get it do you.

We do have full employment. The only reason we still have British people 'unemployed' is because we've let millions in who have taken the jobs that were available. If we'd controlled immigration there would be no-one on the dole and the chances of finding another job if needed would have greatly increased. This in turn would have meant that employers would have to look after workers or risk going out of business due to no-one wanting to work for them. If you want workers looking after properly then we need control of immigration. We don't need everyone signed up to leftie trade unions.

It matters not if we stay or pull out of the EU in regard to TTIP. Are you having a laugh? Of course it does for the reasons I've outlined before.

I think you should clean up the mess in your own back yard before slagging Dave off if he makes a bit of money after he leaves office. Have you heard of Tony Bliar? That crook is making millions on the back of being a previous prime minister.

Now given your views I'd sign up to the Greens if I were you. Your views are a total irrelevance in the modern world. You need to join a party of like minded people where you can sit around in your sandals pontificating on matters that you will never have any influence over. If you are thinking of joining Labour don't bother. They will turn into a pale imitation of the Tory party. Why join Labour when you can have the real thing? UKIP? Don't bother. We don't want the likes of you joining us.

Now get an abject apology sorted for all the pointless drivel you've spouted and we'll say no more about it.

Get on with it man. You know you should.

Firstly, tell me how many MP's are elected on a 40% majority and then come back and tell me its fair. The 40% threshold matters not at the union I work for. The executive council have changed the rule book to commit to fighting for members both inside and outside of the law if need be. So, if the members want to wildcat because there is no longer any point in balloting properly then we will see what happens. That is what the Tories will drive some unions to do (some, because not all will have the leadership with the cajones) and if this is the will of the members, so be it.

Secondly, I have been a fully paid up member of the Labour Party for 5 years. And even though I am questioning severely the path the party seems to be taking after the defeat, moving back towards a pale shade of Tory policy; a continued Neo-Liberal /Thatcherite bag of nonsense, if I do chuck my card in it won't be to the benefit of the Greens.

40% is a very reasonable target. It's 11% below what should be a proper majority. You hardcore lefties need to come into the real world. If you can't get 40% then you shouldn't be going on strike.

Anyway I'm glad you leftie unions are being so unreasonable about things. It just makes the British public's attitude towards you harden even more.

Please stay in the Labour Party. The more loonies like you and BST that are there the less chance they will reform to become electable again. To be honest I really do think Labour are finished no matter what they try and do now. UKIP will replace them and will win more seats than Labour at the next election.

Get in.

[jonrover]

How many MP's are elected with votes of 40% of their constituents?

[IC1967]

How many MP's are elected with votes of 40% of their constituents?

Two wrongs don't make a right.

Comparing apples with oranges doesn't help.

Only a hardcore leftie would think achieving a 40% share of the vote was totally unreasonable. The British public have got you rumbled. Trade unions are on the way out, just like the Labour Party. You have both become irrelevant.

Get in.

[BobG]

Poor lad. You still got that verbal diarroeah Mick?

BobG

PS Have you learned how to use capital letters yet?

[IC1967]

 

IC1967

[RedJ]

IC1967

That's my attitude towards you too.

[IC1967]

 

[jonrover]

How many Mick? Waiting....

[BobG]

And all of a sudden the verbal diarroeah dries up!!!

Now. let me think. Why would that be?!

Oh. There is one thing you could do to improve your prospects a tad Mick: learn how to use capital letters. It is a tough ask I know. But stick at it mate. I'm sure you'll be able to manage it if you try really hard.

Cheers

BobG

[IC1967]

 

IC1967

[wilts rover]

You appear to have missed my question, shall I post it again?