What a speech

[Filo]

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=lZAmhB55_-k

Now I'm not keen on the SNP, but this speech in the Commons by a 20 year old should put a few Labour MP's to shame and certainly highlights the nastiness of the Tories

[Lipsy]

Watched that earlier on - it's a good 'un. We could do with a few more of those in the HoP, rather than - it seems - the one party state we now have.

[roversontheup]

Wow....she would win my vote with that sort of speech. I haven't connected with an MP like that since the days of Mo Mowlam.  Only shame is that there were so few people in the H oP to hear what she had to say!

[BobG]

Thank you for that link Filo. That young lady has restored my faith in humanity a little bit. Just as the coments at the foot of this link did today too:

http://thirdforcenews.org.uk/tfn-news/over-235000-signatures-yet-dwp-wont-release-benefit-related-death-figures?utm_source=change_org&utm_medium=petition

The comments are not, generally, thought through. Rather, they are emotional responses to dreadful behaviour by that archetypal proven liar and Tory t w a t Ian Duncan Smith. They show that, despite the idiocy of fools like IC1967,  at least some people still do care. We are going to need a very great deal of that these next 10 years.

BobG

[Mike_F]

Brilliant speech. Very well worth watching.

[jucyberry]

When she won on election night I must admit I thought oh Lord how will she ever be a credible MP at that age. I watched her speech this afternoon and by god did I see something special. She is going to be a rising star and mark my words she will be leader of the SNP in the future..

I bloody wish there were more there with even half her fire and guts.

[wheatleylad]

She is an impressive young Lady and I suspect Nicola will have to watch her back. As for the content of the speech. If you want to pay a lot more tax to prop up the feckless , vote Labour. I personally know a number of people who are milking the welfare state. Sort out the scroungers and we will have plenty of money for those who are in genuine need. Why does my money go to support scroungers and immigrants? Before some wit replies, I am the son of an immigrant who was crippled. I have therefore lived off the state as a child. I know what poverty is and I know there are too many scroungers as well!!I have worked hard and paid tax to pay back what was given to me. I am now appalled by the level of scrounging I see. people need to get some pride and strive to improve themselves not relax on benefits.

[BRMC_rover]

Its strange how things work in life. A very honest, progressive and talented MP passes, in Charles Kennedy, then straight out of the shadows as a new hope comes this girl. It brought a small tear to my eye to see such a resolute character step up. Many in that position and at that age would have too much respect for their older peers and to have been conditioned a little to not have as much belief in what she see's to be right. This girl showed no signs of that and had full confidence in her vision. Brilliant to see and hopefully will make a few more stand up and take note and address that the current situation couldn't be further from progressive. Too many people at the minute are not interested and leave it to the politicians, and new characters like this always change that for the better.

[bobjimwilly]

Sort out the scroungers and we will have plenty of money for those who are in genuine need.

Load of tosh that, and it's what the Tories want everyone to believe. Tax evasion is a much bigger problem. The fact is if the Government also started making big businesses actually pay tax, and stopped reducing the taxes of the rich, then we'd have more money to help those in need. Taking money off the poor to feed the poor is an appalling tactic, but one that's all too familiar with the Tories.

[bpoolrover]

It's a shame she ruined it going on about the thatcher years when she was not even born

[wheatleylad]

Tax evasion is a serious problem and should be addressed. I struggle to accept that you do not know at least one person scrounging. If not you either live in a very affluent area or Doncaster has suddenly become more prosperous since I last visited it.

[BillyStubbsTears]

The SNP are a bunch of mendacious bas**rds and she is being wheeled out as the idealistic voice of youth.

I suspect she actually believes that she's working for all those things she believes in. The truth couldn't be further away. The SNP swept the board because they spun this line that Scotland needed someone to stand up for them as good old fashioned Socialists. They knew that a pitch like that would go down a storm in Scotland. And it appeals to some people this side of the border too.

Problem is, it's all bullshit. Every word. Bullshit or naïveté. Bullshit from Sturgeon and Salmond. Naïveté from Black.

The SNP actually has ONE purpose and one purpose alone. Independence for Scotland. To further this, the very last thing they want is a left-leaning Govt in the UK. They want to cripple Labour because having a Conservative Govt is better for their purpose. They play to the Scottish gallery, saying "Look at what these Tory bas**rds are doing to you! YOU didn't vote for them. WE know what you want, but you can't have it in the UK. You can only have it if you take control of your own destiny."

And THAT is where the Big Lie is. Because Scotland's finances as an independent country would be utterly f**ked. They would have far harsher Austerity than the UK has had. They would have every problem that Greece has: unstable finances, but tied into a much larger currency union (the Pound) with a much stronger partner that was antagonistic to them and not prepared to bend policy to help them.

The ONLY way that Scottish people can get the kind of society that Black talks about is through a united, UK-wide centre-left Govt. But the SNP absolutely do not want that because it would weaken the case for independence.

The SNP old guard KNOW this. They KNOW that they can't give the Scottish people what they want. But they play that line because it helps their cause. Independence. Independence no matter what. Because they are a Nationalist zealots.

I despise Sturgeon and Salmond, because they are playing on the hopes of ordinary folk in Scotland and leading them up the garden path.

I HOPE that Black is just a passionate, naive stooge. If she actually understands the real situation and she still speaks like that at 20 years old, she is one scary piece of work. 

[bpoolrover]

Quite agree,not matter if your Tory or labour it amazes me how any English person can have any nice thoughts about the snp

[Glyn_Wigley]

It's a shame she ruined it going on about the thatcher years when she was not even born

The bloody church are just as bad, none of them were alive when Jesus was...

[coventryrover]

Well I thought it was a fantastic speech.  Impassioned, considerate, intelligent and gracious from someone so young.

The young get slagged off so much but bring in the brush and sweep the same old dross out of the HoP.

PS I'm English and dont mind the SNP.   AT least they believe in something and stick to it...cant be said for the established parties can it?

[BillyStubbsTears]

Coventry

Oh aye. They believe in something. Just not the things that she was talking about. As I point out above.

[Sprotyrover]

The SNP are a bunch of mendacious b*****ds and she is being wheeled out as the idealistic voice of youth.

I suspect she actually believes that she's working for all those things she believes in. The truth couldn't be further away. The SNP swept the board because they spun this line that Scotland needed someone to stand up for them as good old fashioned Socialists. They knew that a pitch like that would go down a storm in Scotland. And it appeals to some people this side of the border too.

Problem is, it's all bullshit. Every word. Bullshit or naïveté. Bullshit from Sturgeon and Salmond. Naïveté from Black.

The SNP actually has ONE purpose and one purpose alone. Independence for Scotland. To further this, the very last thing they want is a left-leaning Govt in the UK. They want to cripple Labour because having a Conservative Govt is better for their purpose. They play to the Scottish gallery, saying "Look at what these Tory b*****ds are doing to you! YOU didn't vote for them. WE know what you want, but you can't have it in the UK. You can only have it if you take control of your own destiny."

And THAT is where the Big Lie is. Because Scotland's finances as an independent country would be utterly f***ed. They would have far harsher Austerity than the UK has had. They would have every problem that Greece has: unstable finances, but tied into a much larger currency union (the Pound) with a much stronger partner that was antagonistic to them and not prepared to bend policy to help them.

The ONLY way that Scottish people can get the kind of society that Black talks about is through a united, UK-wide centre-left Govt. But the SNP absolutely do not want that because it would weaken the case for independence.

The SNP old guard KNOW this. They KNOW that they can't give the Scottish people what they want. But they play that line because it helps their cause. Independence. Independence no matter what. Because they are a Nationalist zealots.

I despise Sturgeon and Salmond, because they are playing on the hopes of ordinary folk in Scotland and leading them up the garden path.

I HOPE that Black is just a passionate, naive stooge. If she actually understands the real situation and she still speaks like that at 20 years old, she is one scary piece of work. 

Well said Bill,I am actually coming to the conclusion that the Tories will let em go soon,hence the RBS sell off.
It will be a sad day for the United Kingdom if they do go and a sad day for the Jocks,who will reap what the SNP have sown!

[wheatleylad]

Well! I find myself completely in agreement with Billy. Frankly I am amazed that a socialist and I can agree on anything. The SNP are a bunch of dangerous nationalistic opportunists. I have lived in Scotland and anti English feeling has grown in direct comparison with the growth of the SNP. Once they have independence, who will they blame then? Study Scottish history and the answer is there. They will turn on each other and enter a long period of decline. They always have been better off in the Union, without which they would have been far poorer. They need to wake up and see how they have benefitted and stop believing all this "Braveheart" bullshit which the SNP peddles.

An independent Scotland would see England and Wales moving to the right as they move to the left. A recipe for economic chaos in Scotland.

[BobG]

Oh FFS! That stupid tosser is back.

BobG

[coventryrover]

Seems to be that one of the main reasons people dislike the SNP is that if Scotland gets independance Eng/Wals will lurch further to the right with little chance of labour getting in for generations.

The SNP represent the leaning of the Scots, the tories dont.  Makes sense that the sooner they go their own way the soone rthey can elminate a tory government

[donnyproletarian]

What worries me about the SNP is the possible re emergence of sectarian politics witnessed in northern ireland as the catholic population could become ostracised .My old mate from glasgow warned me about there right wing tendencies thirty years ago and i suspect its still there bubbling under the surface.

Having said that i do believe the lass has her heart in the right place and struck a cord with me highlighting the plight of working class people on both sides of the border.Like she said labour left her she did not leave labour but i believe she is mistaken in quoting Tony Bens signpost analogy.The way forward for the scottish people is not independence but a socialist society .That is the only way to secure a future for us all.

Over the next five years we will witness an unprecedented attack not seen since the last century .Somebody once said democracy is a luxury made available in good times to manage easier by concensus.When the lean times come it will be taken away .I believe we are witnessing this now with the latest assault on the right to withhold our labour.I can see history repeating itself and the likes of the tolpuddle marters re emerging .Its already starting with the emergence of the TUSC .Let battle commence