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wing commander

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Right back is Dickov right??
« on August 03, 2015, 10:08:03 am by wing commander »
   It would appear by Dickovs comments that he is happy to go with Lund and McCullough for this position is he right??..We've recruited great this year with some quality players coming into the ranks but this really is our weak spot...First we have Lund who came in and did okay at the back of last season,but that was in a team with nothing to play for and with no real experience it's surely crying out for a experienced pro who he can learn off as again we've looked weak down that channel in pre season...As for McCullough I get the impression Dickov doesn't see him as a starting centre back so is trying to create a position for him rather than showing natural talent there...I suspect he will end up signing one on loan at some point when the first injury bites....Just seems crazy to me that after all the hard work he has put in on every other position he decides that's the way forward...Of course it could be a smokescreen and he may well sign one but judging from his comment that sounds unlikely...So the question is..Do you agree with him??



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IDM

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Re: Right back is Dickov right??
« Reply #1 on August 03, 2015, 10:10:28 am by IDM »
I would rather see a specialist RB to help Lund develop.

I see McCullough developing more into a midfielder.

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Re: Right back is Dickov right??
« Reply #2 on August 03, 2015, 10:38:16 am by DearneValleyRover »
In my opinion no but it's not just the personnel but how we set up. We were too narrow on Saturday giving the Wolves wide men 10 to 20 yards of space. A slight change in how we set up is just as important.

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Re: Right back is Dickov right??
« Reply #3 on August 03, 2015, 11:03:10 am by Alan Southstand »
Its definately one of two missing pieces to the jigsaw. I agree with you WC, PD has done an incredible job of recruiting what looks, on paper, to be the right sort of player in nearly every position. But why would you then try to make do with someone either playing out of position or having little or no experience in the role? The obvious answer is he hasn't the budget left to get someone.

He may have a bit of a budget for a loan player, but I would have thought a longer term loanee would be the answer and I notice there has been quite a few loanees signed by other Clubs already. Of course, we know what he has said wrt our Youth players and fair play to him for that, but why risk our position in the league, come the end of the season, by one small omission/oversight?

The other position that needs further examination is CM, IMHO. To play a 4, PK is looking like a liability at the moment, as he doesn't have the mobility to get up and down. Then, if that's accepted, are we going to rely on Middleton? I thnk we need 1 more option in there.

The other commodity we don't have throughout the team is pace. We've gone some way to rectify that with N'Guessan, but at the back we look well short of cover, when we've been turned. That's where the right acquisition at RB would come in, for me.

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Re: Right back is Dickov right??
« Reply #4 on August 03, 2015, 11:06:05 am by Mike_F »
I really like the way we've gone about our transfer business this pre-season and I wouldn't expect it to be any different if we're in the loan market for a right back. No news until the ink is dry on the contract.

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Re: Right back is Dickov right??
« Reply #5 on August 03, 2015, 11:08:34 am by Copps is Magic »
As per last week before we signed N'Guessan, in Dickov's latest interview it sounded like we will sign another pretty soonish.

I really think the last two games may have skewed opinions too much. McCullough and Lund really did face two quality wingers way above our level during those games. Dickov might want to wait for a proper league game to judge better how they will cope. I do too tbh. I would wait till after the Bury game.

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« Reply #6 on August 03, 2015, 11:25:46 am by the vicar »
I would rather see a specialist RB to help Lund develop.

I see McCullough developing more into a midfielder.
lund is not going to develop if he is not given the chance, ok he dint have the best game against Wolves but they are a very very fast side when they played vila a few days before   they did the same to there full backs so dont judge him on that so yes PD is right

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Re: Right back is Dickov right??
« Reply #7 on August 03, 2015, 11:42:00 am by grayx »
No.
We definitely need an experienced, pacey right-back. Surely he knows this already. Bring Lund along slowly, play him in Johnstones trophy etc and use him as cover. Mc Cullough is not,and will never be, a right back.

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« Reply #8 on August 03, 2015, 12:00:58 pm by Alan Southstand »
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lund is not going to develop if he is not given the chance

Trouble is, Vicar, you could say that about all the young 'uns. You simply can't play them all. Lund is no different to the others, he needs to be brought on gradually - not dumped on from a great height. Its neither fair to him or to the rest of the team.

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Re: Right back is Dickov right??
« Reply #9 on August 03, 2015, 12:09:56 pm by mushRTID »
It's been months since Wabara decided he was too good for us. Absolutely no excuse for not starting the season with an experienced right back.

If we are serious about challenging it's obvious LM and ML are not the answer long term.

Askern_reds

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Re: Right back is Dickov right??
« Reply #10 on August 03, 2015, 12:14:31 pm by Askern_reds »
As per last week before we signed N'Guessan, in Dickov's latest interview it sounded like we will sign another pretty soonish.

I really think the last two games may have skewed opinions too much. McCullough and Lund really did face two quality wingers way above our level during those games. Dickov might want to wait for a proper league game to judge better how they will cope. I do too tbh. I would wait till after the Bury game.
think the rb situation should be sorted soon as why wait till after bury game could lose 3pts straight away then after that scum and then Wigan not been funny that could be 3 defeats on the trot, Lund isn't good enough just yet

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Re: Right back is Dickov right??
« Reply #11 on August 03, 2015, 12:22:46 pm by DonnyBazR0ver »
He's right to try and accommodate 2 contracted players however time will tell whether either McCullough or Lund cope.

I think we will need a specialist right back as both are short of what we need.

If McCullough copes and finds a yard of pace then all well and good.

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« Reply #12 on August 03, 2015, 01:06:59 pm by Al4475 »
I reckon we're in the market for a specific right back!

wing commander

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« Reply #13 on August 03, 2015, 01:16:37 pm by wing commander »
   Well pretty much a even split there between those who are happy to go with those two and those who think its asking for trouble..Of course a couple of defensive injuries and we are in big trouble...I do agree we are asking too much of Lund..He is a young lad with nobody to learn from(dickov a ex striker of course) thrown into the team with a sink or swim mentality..Maybe we are in the market..lets hope so..

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Re: Right back is Dickov right??
« Reply #14 on August 03, 2015, 01:25:32 pm by the vicar »
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lund is not going to develop if he is not given the chance

Trouble is, Vicar, you could say that about all the young 'uns. You simply can't play them all. Lund is no different to the others, he needs to be brought on gradually - not dumped on from a great height. Its neither fair to him or to the rest of the team.
yes i no sunderland but he has one bad game against a very good side and he wont come across in the league and every one is on his back.  can you imagine if he reads al this drivel what it could do for his confidence   

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Re: Right back is Dickov right??
« Reply #15 on August 03, 2015, 01:27:47 pm by keith79 »
Maybe he is waiting till the right one becomes available

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« Reply #16 on August 03, 2015, 01:44:38 pm by Askern_reds »
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lund is not going to develop if he is not given the chance

Trouble is, Vicar, you could say that about all the young 'uns. You simply can't play them all. Lund is no different to the others, he needs to be brought on gradually - not dumped on from a great height. Its neither fair to him or to the rest of the team.
yes i no sunderland but he has one bad game against a very good side and he wont come across in the league and every one is on his back.  can you imagine if he reads al this drivel what it could do for his confidence   
if memory serves me right he ad a nightmare at notts county last term they not top notch by any means

steve@dcfd

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Re: Right back is Dickov right??
« Reply #17 on August 03, 2015, 01:52:02 pm by steve@dcfd »
He's right to try and accommodate 2 contracted players however time will tell whether either McCullough or Lund cope.

I think we will need a specialist right back as both are short of what we need.

If McCullough copes and finds a yard of pace then all well and good.

Fullbacks as well as being good defenders who can sweep up behind centre halves when required need pace sorry McCullough as not got that. They also when attacking need to link up and be able to put in good crosses, McCullough when linking play majority of times goes back to another player.

Lund is learning the roll, was thrown in last season when PD knew Wabarra was going and we had nothing to play for. Before that both of the players fighting for the position were never considered for right back last season.
Lund will develop and improve but if he as bad games it will knock his development.

Let's hope PD knows what he is doing because he as not had a good right back while he as been here or at Oldham.
Wabarra played for him twice was average at best and is without a club as yet, which shows he is not as good as he and PD thought.

Also to get the right player for right back who is experienced played at this level or above will need the right money, he may not have that to spend as yet.
« Last Edit: August 03, 2015, 02:57:26 pm by steve@dcfd »

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Re: Right back is Dickov right??
« Reply #18 on August 03, 2015, 02:03:06 pm by drfchound »
It's been months since Wabara decided he was too good for us. Absolutely no excuse for not starting the season with an experienced right back.

If we are serious about challenging it's obvious LM and ML are not the answer long term.




How does anyone know that we haven't been trying to get a right back but for various reasons haven't been able to get the one we want?
Maybe the RB that PD wanted went somewhere else?
Absolutely no excuse?  It depends on what the reasons are for not being able to secure a signature.

steve@dcfd

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Re: Right back is Dickov right??
« Reply #19 on August 03, 2015, 02:07:25 pm by steve@dcfd »
It's been months since Wabara decided he was too good for us. Absolutely no excuse for not starting the season with an experienced right back.

If we are serious about challenging it's obvious LM and ML are not the answer long term.




How does anyone know that we haven't been trying to get a right back but for various reasons haven't been able to get the one we want?
Maybe the RB that PD wanted went somewhere else?
Absolutely no excuse?  It depends on what the reasons are for not being able to secure a signature.

Its probably the money he had was used on securing other players first and now to get the right player better than what we have got costs more than he as. The others players will have gone elsewhere in stead of waiting.

wing commander

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« Reply #20 on August 03, 2015, 02:11:41 pm by wing commander »
  That's a fair point DRFChound..But the normal procedure is that you have your main target and back up ones after that..Also this isn't a shock to him it was probably the first position he knew he had to change as Reece obviously let him know well before the season end that he was going...Maybe he was unlucky with all his targets for that position or maybe he hasn't had any intention of getting anybody..Time will tell....

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Re: Right back is Dickov right??
« Reply #21 on August 03, 2015, 02:46:59 pm by graingrover »
If we are aiming for Championship then yes blood our youngster beside the vets in League 1 or next season we will be saying we should loan them out to blood them.

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Re: Right back is Dickov right??
« Reply #22 on August 03, 2015, 03:20:32 pm by Al4475 »
Steve, I do not disagree with you sir on many points you put across - but why do the majority of your posts end with a comment about lack of spending, budget or monetry matters? 

steve@dcfd

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« Reply #23 on August 03, 2015, 03:37:06 pm by steve@dcfd »
When the manager says from the start of the preseason we need experienced players to assist us when the chips are down. Then he will have had to spend to bring in the players we have got all good signings with experience, apart from the Left back.

So to sign a right back with experience will not be cheap, wages.
So PD as said at the moment he as decided to go with what we have got at RB. Yet before it was a priority. I can only assume the right player is not available at the money we have, or we have not found the right player or other positions were first priority.

I could be wrong about money but we will have to wait and see.

2  +  2   In my case might = 5.

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Re: Right back is Dickov right??
« Reply #24 on August 03, 2015, 07:40:30 pm by Yorkiered »
Why is it fine for some of our more senior pros to have bad games and nothing is said?
We have a young lad who has had one average game. No worse than other more senior defenders on Saturday and all of a sudden he isn't good enough and we need to buy a full back?

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« Reply #25 on August 03, 2015, 08:06:59 pm by IDM »
Why is it fine for some of our more senior pros to have bad games and nothing is said?
We have a young lad who has had one average game. No worse than other more senior defenders on Saturday and all of a sudden he isn't good enough and we need to buy a full back?


Because the use of t'internet and social media has lead IMHO to much over-reaction and hyperbole, both negative and positive.

Just look at how folks reacted to the England cricket team when they own, then when they lost..

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Re: Right back is Dickov right??
« Reply #26 on August 03, 2015, 08:56:38 pm by Askern_reds »
well it was plain to see the rb possition had to be priority before season ended and it wasn't just Lund who fans were saying wasn't good enough but wabara as well, so yes this had to be sorted first thing for me

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« Reply #27 on August 03, 2015, 10:13:07 pm by drfchound »
As I said earlier, we don't know whether PD has tried to bring in a full back but been unable to for reasons not known to us.

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« Reply #28 on August 03, 2015, 11:49:34 pm by BobG »
Nor do we know just what PD thinks about the speed at which the younsgers will develop andf the level he thinks they will attain. We pay him to make that kind of judgement.

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Re: Right back is Dickov right??
« Reply #29 on August 04, 2015, 08:08:19 am by Rovers91 »
We certainly need a new right back because the thought of McCullough been our first choice right back is comical, he's a good player but he's not a right back. Keep Lund as second choice because he will still end up playing a few games with cups, injuries and suspensions which will help his development.

 

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