Pyro

[hoolahoop]

As some know I am making a banner for the Leeds game. I also know the guys behind the scenes are doing a lot of great work and the atmosphere has improved by a wide margin.

But a certain group of ours fans are constantly agitating against the stewards/SLOs, and the stewards are constantly agitating against a certain group of our supporters. They were up and down those stairs about 5/6 times during the game. I hope it doesn't come to a head and the club attempt to shut things down.

You do something about the group of your supporters before it does come to a head

COYR

Were you there glosterred because I was . They were hellbent on trying to take it to the supporters at the top.
Bar the pyro idiot ....it works. I was there and I needed to have a word about their attitude . they seemed to accept that they had agreed to certain things then decided to do an about turn.
The ''censored" German flag was one such example. I heard the whole conversation. Why it was a problem for the stewards is anyone's guess.
If you want a library again some of you then keep on knocking these young lads who are merely trying to replicate what goes on elsewhere safely and with fun.
The pyro was the exception to the rule. Try an attract these young'uns to have their 3/4 hours of fun or lose them and eventually slip to the 1500-2000 crowds of old people we had in the not too distant past.

Knock the idiots ( the pyro numpty ) but NOT  the fantastic efforts of the team that put all this together.

[roversdude]

I think that everyone is appreciating the effort the BB are putting in
I am not in the know of the friction between BB and club/stewards but hope it gets sorted

[acko]

the old people you talk about hoola followed thro the bad times,the younger element went to leeds ,are you suggesting there should be an age limit when you must stop supporting a team.fun is fun but I get the feeling the self styled black bank are attracting an element not wanted at football matches.how many more pyros does it need before the f.a. step in and take action,ie fine for the club and section of ground closed.people know who the culprit and trouble makers are.report it now and snap it in the bud

[DonnyBazR0ver]

It's about education and setting an example. Yesterday was fantastic for 94 minutes. You can't tell me that 2 minutes of coloured smoke made the day!

It's about a word to the wise and not let the 2 minutes ruin the 94. The message needs to be "Party, no Pyro!".

 The overwhelming majority want the Black Bank to work but a very small minority need to understand it's not a free for all. We can't let all the hard work to put it all together be undermined.

I thought, as well as the noise and the spectacle, the unreserved seating element seemed to work very well. Anyone else have any observations/comments?

[Copps is Magic]

Were you there glosterred because I was . They were hellbent on trying to take it to the supporters at the top.
Bar the pyro idiot ....it works. I was there and I needed to have a word about their attitude . they seemed to accept that they had agreed to certain things then decided to do an about turn.
The ''censored" German flag was one such example. I heard the whole conversation. Why it was a problem for the stewards is anyone's guess.
If you want a library again some of you then keep on knocking these young lads who are merely trying to replicate what goes on elsewhere safely and with fun.
The pyro was the exception to the rule. Try an attract these young'uns to have their 3/4 hours of fun or lose them and eventually slip to the 1500-2000 crowds of old people we had in the not too distant past.

That's one of the issues we're facing. Do we really need Gavin Baldwin, the new employee who was a SLO last year, an actual SLO and numerous stewards (all with radio mics) stood at the bottom of the BB watching every move as they were yesterday! It's informal intimidation and it's only going to cause reactions from people (not me personally but others).

[acko]

its early days of an experiment and the rovers would be irrisponsable if they didn't monitor it from the start,but there must be occasions copps when you've gone to a game and the police have been openly filming supprters with their hand held cameras,give it time if its proved its not trouble the supporterd want then no doubt it will change

[Donnywolf]

It's about education and setting an example. Yesterday was fantastic for 94 minutes. You can't tell me that 2 minutes of coloured smoke made the day!

It's about a word to the wise and not let the 2 minutes ruin the 94. The message needs to be "Party, no Pyro!".

 The overwhelming majority want the Black Bank to work but a very small minority need to understand it's not a free for all. We can't let all the hard work to put it all together be undermined.

I thought, as well as the noise and the spectacle, the unreserved seating element seemed to work very well. Anyone else have any observations/comments?

... and the person / people doing this (Pyro lighting) have shown they have no respect for 26 James Coppinger who appealed several times last season on the big screen for them NOT to do this

You are right - it was great for 90 odd minutes and what did a bit of red smoke do to add to that ? Nothing

[IDM]

I thought they sounded great from the west stand and I like the pyros. I think it adds to the noise and atmosphere. Just my view do don't start getting snotty. I also thought the twelve year old bury fans were funny😱

Not getting snotty but note the quote below.

I was at Lincoln pre season and scunny away last year. On both occasions I witnessed OUR OWN SUPPORTERS including some elderly and children struggling to breathe as a result of an idiot (s) thinking it appropriate to let off a flare in an enclosed space.

They have no place in an enclosed populated space.

Why is that difficult to comprehend?

[hoolahoop]

Pity we can't have the pyros suspended from above then the smoke would rise. No-one ever objects when clubs have fireworks and flares are used on pitches in this country in a CONTROLLED manner.
Fellas the important thing is they are just that controlled.

As an aside , I understood that the Black Bank was to be controlled by the Stewards in a more relaxed manner....IT WAS NOT.

I was just in front of the drummers, 3 rows down at the end of the aisle. They were constantly up and down the stairs berating supporters for throwing till rolls at the beginning , for the German flag that had censored on it and other things. What is the problem with this flag ? Have we had any real objections from our massive band of German supporters as to its content ?

Were there outbreaks of violence ?
Were there major safety issues ?
Was there damage to property ?

Sorry the answer thankfully is NO to all these questions . What I witnessed were Stewards and stadium management on a power trip. Half a dozen times I heard the words " yes we agreed but....".

If you agree that the Black Bank is a good idea and it doesn't breach any of the above criteria then please leave the supporters alone . Monitor yes , interfere and spoil NO.

Pyro aside , it was a massive success slightly marred by excessive and totally unnecessary over- zealous stewarding.

[bobjimwilly]

Let's hope this can be resolved without the police/SAG stepping in. Otherwise the minority could have spoiled it for the majority, and not just the core of the black bank, but the whole of the south stand. 

[Jimmydee]

I was disgusted that when the announcement was made about the death of Neville Neville, I heard some idiots shouting w**ker, w**ker, w**ker and then I realised it was aimed at the flag confiscation, the Bury fans must have been appalled because it appeared very disrespectful at the time.

[wilts rover]

Hoola

I asked on a previous thread if people could give me examples of where a banner that contained swearing was allowed to stay in place in a ground. I guess people must have missed it as no-one gave any examples. Now we have a return of the pyros they were asked not to use several times last season.

If some people are determined to do what they want, despite being asked not to, is it any surprise the authorities are watching them.

[DonnyBazR0ver]

Yes, it's right to say it's early days and the relationship between fans and stewards is not quite there yet. I wasn't sure myself whether putting a steward right in the middle of it was the right thing to do. We on the fan panel will be addressing these issues on an ongoing basis.

We've come this far. I'm buggered if these things are allowed to spoil it. The potential for the whole thing was there for all to see and experience.

For an old fart, I really enjoyed my day on the Black Bank and my voice is still a bit hoarse.

[glosterred]

As some know I am making a banner for the Leeds game. I also know the guys behind the scenes are doing a lot of great work and the atmosphere has improved by a wide margin.

But a certain group of ours fans are constantly agitating against the stewards/SLOs, and the stewards are constantly agitating against a certain group of our supporters. They were up and down those stairs about 5/6 times during the game. I hope it doesn't come to a head and the club attempt to shut things down.

You do something about the group of your supporters before it does come to a head

COYR

Were you there glosterred because I was . They were hellbent on trying to take it to the supporters at the top.
Bar the pyro idiot ....it works. I was there and I needed to have a word about their attitude . they seemed to accept that they had agreed to certain things then decided to do an about turn.
The ''censored" German flag was one such example. I heard the whole conversation. Why it was a problem for the stewards is anyone's guess.
If you want a library again some of you then keep on knocking these young lads who are merely trying to replicate what goes on elsewhere safely and with fun.
The pyro was the exception to the rule. Try an attract these young'uns to have their 3/4 hours of fun or lose them and eventually slip to the 1500-2000 crowds of old people we had in the not too distant past.

Knock the idiots ( the pyro numpty ) but NOT  the fantastic efforts of the team that put all this together.

Yes I was  there, in the west stand and I stand by my comment that the person who did it was a f**king idiot. I also stand by my comment that the BB should do something about it, report the idiot, we don't need that in our ground. I am not knocking what the BB have done, the singing helped the atmosphere. But all the work BB has done, goes up in smoke (pun intended) when the idiots let off the pyros.

With respect to the stewards stood at the bottom watching, you may find things calm down, when they know they can trust the group not to be setting off pyros and behave.

COYR

[big fat yorkshire pudding]

I doubt the stewards appreciated the banner though. That can't have helped.  Stewards shouldn't wind fans up, fans shouldn't wind stewards up.  In reality there's a few on both sides no doubt who would like a scrap but it spoils it for the rest on both sides.  The organisers and stewards both need to do their bit and I'm sure they will and it'll be fine.

[graingrover]

Any group needs to be managed fromwith first and foremost . The initiators of the Black bank experiment met the club . Those individuals of BB and the club should meet again and agree a set of rules. The boss of the stewards should be present and agree to abide by the spirit of the agreement too.
      Treat the piro thing as it is considered by the Football league and make it clear it could do serious harm to the club's position , including points deductions or worse ( behind closed doors ).

[Jamie_1878]

The Black bank has a Facebook page . I highly recommend you all visit it and you will perhaps like me be very surprised at a couple of pyro postings.

Could you elaborate on that please?

[Filo]

The Black bank has a Facebook page . I highly recommend you all visit it and you will perhaps like me be very surprised at a couple of pyro postings.

Could you elaborate on that please?

Jamie, should n't your user name have 1879 at the end?

[DonnyBazR0ver]

Here's the issue. The vast majority of people know how to behave and conduct themselves in a good way and respect others enjoyment of the game. Those in the wrong know they are and we need to make it clear to them, it is not acceptable and they are spoiling the party. Without the pyro I think it was very nearly a perfect start.

[Donnywolf]

The Black bank has a Facebook page . I highly recommend you all visit it and you will perhaps like me be very surprised at a couple of pyro postings.

Could you elaborate on that please?

Jamie, should n't your user name have 1879 at the end?

Maybe he is ahead of his time

[Jamie_1878]

The Black bank has a Facebook page . I highly recommend you all visit it and you will perhaps like me be very surprised at a couple of pyro postings.

Could you elaborate on that please?

Jamie, should n't your user name have 1879 at the end?

No, shouldn't.

[Filo]

The Black bank has a Facebook page . I highly recommend you all visit it and you will perhaps like me be very surprised at a couple of pyro postings.

Could you elaborate on that please?

Jamie, should n't your user name have 1879 at the end?

No, shouldn't.

Ok

[graingrover]

Yes sure .. my elaboration is that on the Facebook page there are a couple of posters I would interrview if I were a club official to get them to elaborate ! OK?

[Jamie_1878]

I've looked on the Black Bank facebook and can't see anything relating to pyrotechnics?

[bobjimwilly]

A good idea would be to get Dean, the SLO, to stand in the middle of all the lads up the top, get to know them and get them on board to leave the smoke/pyros at home. SLOs are fans at the end of the day, and should be on the fans side primarily, not the clubs.

[StocktonRover]

I'm not sure that is a good idea - it would in some peoples minds make the SLOs an extension of the stewards and would destroy the relationship they have with the fans. It would also make the role very unappealing.

The fans themselves need to "police" the behaviour of the small minority and if they fail to take the advice, then the only remaining solution is to identify the culprits and have the club deal with them with whatever sanctions are necessary against the individuals - not the majority who are doing a great job of improving the experience.

[Sprotyrover]

I have been told that there was trouble after the match some Bury Fans Coaches were bricked.

[graingrover]

The Facebook post has  apparently been deleted .. quite sensible and best for all concerned ;

[Jamie_1878]

The Facebook post has  apparently been deleted .. quite sensible and best for all concerned ;

Still none the wiser if this post was on the DRF  Facebook group or the actual Black Bank page though.

[Askern_reds]

the atmosphere was fantastic just let the pyro go the more you mention it the more it will happen let it fizzle out and just enjoy what we avnt had for years