celabrate good times come on ,lets have a celebration .

[donnyproletarian]

Corby baby in and dickov gone .Can life get any better .Think i may re join the labour party and buy a season ticket lol

[tommy toes]

Aye. Great News. The surprising thing is that Jezza won by a mile on all fronts which makes his position  stronger.
Let's hope the rest of the party gets behind him and the electorate can have the choice to vote for a different way.

[i_ateallthepies]

I've been voting labour since I was 18 but won't be voting for them whilst Corbin is the leader.

[tommy toes]

Why not?
All Corbyn is doing is returning to true Labour values. Since Blair all they have been is a paler version of the Tories.

[Sprotyrover]

Well that's ensured we have another 10 years of Tory Hell to endure.
But judging by the way Labour has conducted this leadership fiasco they will be totally unelectable for decades.

[Glyn_Wigley]

Well that's ensured we have another 10 years of Tory Hell to endure.

Yes, a left wing party is unelectable. You only have to look at how Scotland rejected the SNP to know that.

[Donnywolf]

Why not?
All Corbyn is doing is returning to true Labour values. Since Blair all they have been is a paler version of the Tories.

I agree they have all been pale imitations of the Tories since TB took them to election success but I think that is the only way to go. Pretend to be middle ground and hope to get elected and then (supposedly) look after the working class folks as much as possible

Meanwhile the Tories "position" themselves in the centre ground as much as possible and look after themselves i.e. the richer 1 to 10 % of the population and f*** the rest

I have been around long enough to guess JC will prove to be a liability electorally and the working classes i.e. 90% of the population will be further s*** on for years to come

I would LOVE IT just LOVE IT if I was wrong with my hunch

[Glyn_Wigley]

Certainly the Tories and the media will go out all guns blazing to smear the man like they did with Nicola Sturgeon.

[tommy toes]

Wolfie (John)
Read your post again. If you're right Labour will win the next election by a landslide.

[Sprotyrover]

The Scots were fed a promise about untold boundless wealth which was their rightful inheritance, which they nearly swallowed, where would they be now if they had voted YES...Up the Creek without the paddle!

[Copps is Magic]

I've only ever voted Greens but Corby will probably get me onto Labour depending on what he does between now and the next election.

[Filo]

I'm glad Labour have gone back towards it's core values instead of the diluted Tory policies they've championed in recent years, I don't agree with all of Corbyn's ideas, especially ditching our Nuclear deterant. The goal now is to convince middle England and not send the party into civil war!

[Donnywolf]

Wolfie (John)
Read your post again. If you're right Labour will win the next election by a landslide.

Sorry I am unsure what you mean.

I am trying to say the Tories when they hold the middle ground help themselves (that is the top 10% of the population) and sh*t on the rest of the population including masses and masses of those people who think of themselves as Tories

If JC proves to be a liability after going down the ultra left wing route Labour will lose again and again. They simply need to get the people on board in the middle ground or just as in the Tories scenario above the same 90% of us will be f****d for years to come

[tommy toes]

If 90% of the electorate realise they're being dumped on by the Tories then perhaps they won't vote for them.

[River Don]

I've not been an out and out Labour supporter but I have voted for them. I have never voted Tory.

I can't support Corbyn though and I will not vote for him, I just do not think he is credible, talk of printing pound notes for example.

I think electing him is a disaster for the Labour Party but it seems to be what their supporters want.

Good luck with it, I don't think he'll ever be PM.

[Sammy Chung was King]

Red Jez!!
For me the labour party will be stronger for not being a diluted Conservative party, you can't choose your policies, then change them because somebody doesn't agree.
Unfortunately i thought one of the reasons Ed didn't get elected was because the parties ideas were not strong enough, they should nearly always be going in the opposite direction to the tories.
Ed would have made a very good leader of the country, the tories were better organised, and all the dirty tricks came out of the woodwork
Playing on the people's fears, making them think we would become another Greece under Labour!.
He was very truthful as politicians go, not promising things he couldn't achieve, the tories promised anything just to get back in, and the people bought it!, you only have to look at the ''Northern powerhouse statement to know all you who voted tory have been fooled.
The difference between the parties was the tories wanted Cameron back in power, i don't think the people around Ed advised him well at all.

Overconfidence crept in, when the party should have been working very hard to show the people they were the only choice, under Labour i think it would have been a fairer system, where the well off contributed a little more to help people who are struggling.
Under the Tories you have a country when older people feel as though it's a burden that they are still alive, this ''Older Generation'' living longer that was brainwashed into the media, makes our senior citizens, instead of being valued for their wisdom, and loved and respected, not want to be here anymore, i sense many don't recognise the world we live in, where it's ''All take and no give''!.
These people built our country with their bare hands, slogged away week after week, feeding their families, paying the taxes, and saving up for their one holiday a year.
In they're generation if somebody had less than them, they would try to help, now ''The rich get richer, the poor get poorer''!, and a generation of people that should be looked after respected and loved now feels, it doesn't belong any more!.

The country is at breaking point, the NHS has very few years left for me, because money is mismanaged and dare i say corruptly used for other things.
Each nurse is doing the job of three or four, the standards are dropping because they are human, how much can you heap on one man or womans shoulders?.
The government is giving out aid all over the place while it's own people sleep on the streets, ex servicemen and women among them, you look after your own then if there's anything left over, then you can help.
Why does a country so admired through the world need to pay countries to have businesses based here?, countries will gravitate here because a lot of what we do is still great!.
The government in my opinion are behind all the ''Benefit'' programmes, to allienate the majority against a group of people who are on the whole nothing like the people portrayed.
Big Fat Benefit Wedding, Saints and Scroungers, Benefit street, it goes on and on, and because of these programmes, a hatred grows and grows.

Because they are unprincipled people, unlike the majority who struggle with life in general and are very grateful for any help given, it never shows the old lady sat in one room because she can only afford to heat one room.
It doesn't show the mentally disabled who really need somebody just to tell their problems, who maybe go out once a week at best.
Mental health funding, cut after cut, against a condition that is stigmaised, and even family don't understand and think you are ''Feeling sorry for yourself''.
Or that you are not as bad as you make out, because you put an act on pretending you are the old you, when inside there's nothing left.

The imigrant situation, Labour let far too many people in, but many of those people are vital to our economy!
Though we cannot afford to let too many in, because we haven't got the money or services to support the extra people coming in.
The way they have been treated, you wouldn't treat your dog that way, throwing food over the heads of many, rather than taking everybody into our country, make conditions better for them to return home, by making their countries safe.
There is enough money in this world for each country to join together to find a solution, militarilly or financially, each country could take a small portion of these people.

I am hoping that the Labour party returns to what it was, a party that defends the working person, as well as looking after those less fortunate.
Good old fashioned values, try and rebuild the moral abyss that our once great country has become, the new leader needs to change the people around him, too many are supping out of the gravy train, without giving a thought to those they serve!.
Along the way, the MP representing the people of his area, and not being seen only at election times has become the norm, we badly need an alternative to the tories who are attacking the weak, to help the rich!.

An opposite of Robin Hood, that's what they are ''Robbing the poor, to give to the rich''!, they couldn't believe the country fell for it!.
The one's who will pay will be, the old, sick and mentally unwell, and it will need a strong opposition to try and keep them in check, this man has strength that the others don't i hope he can stop many of the measures they plan, otherwise the workhouses won't be a thing of the past!

[Glyn_Wigley]

I can't support Corbyn though and I will not vote for him, I just do not think he is credible, talk of printing pound notes for example.

But when the previous Labour government, the coalition and the current government do it, it IS credible? All Corbyn has said is that he would pursue quantative easing at the same rate but instead of just handing it over to the banks where it gets swallowed up he would use it to fund economic stimulation directly.

[big fat yorkshire pudding]

But there is thoughts that people didn't vote labour as they were too left wing this time round so I'm unsure they'll get there this time. They may get votes from the core but I can't see them appealing to amass population.

[tommy toes]

It shouldn't be about left wing, hard left etc.
Corbyn needs to continue to present his policies as they are. It's obvious that he's quickly generated a groundswell of support from people who were previously apolitical.
To be successful he needs to give a bit to unite the party and get rid of some of the more extreme of his followers.
They would put people off voting for him.

[Filo]

It's funny how the tories have changed their tune now he's leader, they were laughing that labour were unelectable if he got in, now suddenly the Tories are saying Labour are a threat to national security, how can they be if they are unelectable?

Tory scaremongering at it's best!

[jucyberry]

Well, I'm happy. as far as I'm concerned the dream team I voted for won.

[The Red Baron]

It's funny how the tories have changed their tune now he's leader, they were laughing that labour were unelectable if he got in, now suddenly the Tories are saying Labour are a threat to national security, how can they be if they are unelectable?

Tory scaremongering at it's best!

Politics!

[Sprotyrover]

Corbyn is a product of the snivelling privelidged upper middle class.
He dress like a Pleb because he is a scruffy t**t!

[jonrover]

Well that's ensured we have another 10 years of Tory Hell to endure.
But judging by the way Labour has conducted this leadership fiasco they will be totally unelectable for decades.

Yes its a real shame that (if your prediction is correct) we have to now endure 10 years of Tory cuts instead of Labour cuts...like there's a real difference!

Corbyn has been elected (with a very clear, unequivocal mandate from all sections of those who voted) on a platform of hope, something different to mindless austerity, which was on the table from both parties in the 2015 election, and supported strongly by the other three. He is building a mass movement from the grass roots up for a better society where everyone has an opportunity to get on, get a decent job with decent pay, have a decent education, good health care, not at the mercy of private health vultures, the chance of a decent, affordable home, with affordable utilities and public transport once they are hopefully brought back under public ownership instead of being a cash cow for corporate vultures.

Its an interesting debate that will be had because the vision I have set out above which is a mere flavour of what could be on the table once party members are consulted. These measures are actually supported by the majority of TORY voters according to polls. So I just don't get how you cannot like what is proposed unless you live in a mansion with a few million stashed away in the Caymen Islands for the purpose of not wanting to contribute your fair share.

[Sprotyrover]

Jonrover the guy is a 'no hoper'  'surrender Monkey',I for one will not be happy to see our nuclear deterrent disappear,our armed Forces parred down to a state and size where they are nonexistent, the likes of Hamas,Isis and Ira terrorists lauded as heroes, The Falkland Islands handed back to the Argies after our lads gave their all to get them back from a fascist regime.
If you have anything between your ears other than 2 lbs of useless fat
You can pick up a library book and read about the old Labour Party,the winter of discontent and how they lost the country in the late 70's.
I would love to see the railways re nationalised ,the utility companies the same, but it ain't gonna happen.
By the way those industries were founded on Capitalism  not on the Largesse of the Public purse.

[River Don]

I can't support Corbyn though and I will not vote for him, I just do not think he is credible, talk of printing pound notes for example.

But when the previous Labour government, the coalition and the current government do it, it IS credible? All Corbyn has said is that he would pursue quantative easing at the same rate but instead of just handing it over to the banks where it gets swallowed up he would use it to fund economic stimulation directly.

QE isn't quite the same as just printing money. That said I thought QE was a dangerous think to do and we are yet to see the full consequences of it.

[tommy toes]

Jonrover the guy is a 'no hoper'  'surrender Monkey',I for one will not be happy to see our nuclear deterrent disappear,our armed Forces parred down to a state and size where they are nonexistent, the likes of Hamas,Isis and Ira terrorists lauded as heroes, The Falkland Islands handed back to the Argies after our lads gave their all to get them back from a fascist regime.
If you have anything between your ears other than 2 lbs of useless fat
You can pick up a library book and read about the old Labour Party,the winter of discontent and how they lost the country in the late 70's.
I would love to see the railways re nationalised ,the utility companies the same, but it ain't gonna happen.
By the way those industries were founded on Capitalism  not on the Largesse of the Public purse.

Jon rover posts a well written argument and you insult him.
Carry on believing the claptrap you've just written and keep reading the Daily Mail.

[BobG]

Jon

There's no denying either the broad success of JC, or the passion that he has ignited. Good on him for it. But even a brief acquaintance with political theory will demonstrate that parties that move away from the centre ground become little more than parties of protest. Yes. Occasionally they do win an election. But they don't govern for decades and generations. And except for authoritarian governments, that is true all around the world. Now, Britain, especially England, is a conservative (small c) country. I won't bore you with evidence, but even a casual glance around is enough to convince anyone of the fact. So, what that means is that a rightward leaning party has more inbuilt tolerance with the electorate if it moves to the right than a leftward leaning party has if it moves to the left. That, by itself, will be enough to kill any chance JC has of ever governing. Add to that 5 years of our oh so wonderful unregulated (why DO you think this Govt hasn't done anything about that?!) press and 5 years pf the Tory scare factory and he's dead in the water already.

Why on Earth do you think Tony Blair took the party to the right? It's simple. He wanted to win. He wanted to govern. He did not want to preside over a loud, expressive collection of 'issues' predestined to lose election after election after election like Neil Kinnock and Michael Foot. He wanted to govern. And to do that, he had to find a way to become aceptable to the whole country - not just the lefty bit of it.

JC will find this out for himself no doubt. I wouldn't mind putting a fiver on him getting the least number of seats for the Labour party since the 1930's.

The Labour Party already owes this country a huge apology. It should be wearing sackcloth and ashes. Allowing sentiment to overrule practical politics is f***ing ridiculous for a party that thinks of itself as a party worthy of governing. Allowing the election of Corbyn proves entirely the opposite. They have disenfranchised at least 30% of the electorate and no party is ever going to win an election doing that.

BobG

[Glyn_Wigley]

I can't support Corbyn though and I will not vote for him, I just do not think he is credible, talk of printing pound notes for example.

But when the previous Labour government, the coalition and the current government do it, it IS credible? All Corbyn has said is that he would pursue quantative easing at the same rate but instead of just handing it over to the banks where it gets swallowed up he would use it to fund economic stimulation directly.

QE isn't quite the same as just printing money. That said I thought QE was a dangerous think to do and we are yet to see the full consequences of it.

QE is increasing the money supply - there is more than one way of doing this but the most effective for the required ends in by increasing the amount of money in circulation. The media call it printing money because that's what they think their readers can understand, and in Corbyn's case, by doing so they can make it sound perjorative as they're out to label him from the start. Increasing the money supply is an inflationary act as it reduces the value of the currency, any downsides would have already been noticed - but can you imagine what possible deflation would have been if it hadn't been done?

[Glyn_Wigley]

Jonrover the guy is a 'no hoper'  'surrender Monkey',I for one will not be happy to see our nuclear deterrent disappear,our armed Forces parred down to a state and size where they are nonexistent, the likes of Hamas,Isis and Ira terrorists lauded as heroes, The Falkland Islands handed back to the Argies after our lads gave their all to get them back from a fascist regime.
If you have anything between your ears other than 2 lbs of useless fat
You can pick up a library book and read about the old Labour Party,the winter of discontent and how they lost the country in the late 70's.
I would love to see the railways re nationalised ,the utility companies the same, but it ain't gonna happen.
By the way those industries were founded on Capitalism  not on the Largesse of the Public purse.

Bloody hell, and you called Corbyn patronising. Keep taking the anti-hypocrisy tablets, they're not working yet.