Battle of Hatfield 633ad

[bally1950]

Sproty, you certainly know your stuff, I am not going to argue with those facts.  Strange that Bawtry is still posted as a 12th century port.  When I lived there in 90's, everything beyond the railway line was regularly flooded and certainly in winter.  makes you wonder if those days will return. The Romans as we know built the Great North Rd and sounds like the Road you refer to in Scawsby was a further addition to their superb road structure

[drfchound]

We could do with them coming back to sort out the High Street in Hatfield.......................

[bally1950]

Now that might take the Romans and the Vikings, it never gets any better does it, orrible scrap cars around left for days on the road, nice new small houses at Johnny Morris's old garage site.. He was my mam and dad's best man in 1949. Happy Days yep and yes I went swimming there regularly at the open air pool owned by Bob Parker, it was worth the walk in them days

[Filo]

A bit of Stainforth's history here

http://www.stainforthonline.co.uk/2001/stainforth_history.htm

[bally1950]

Filo..

You may just have unearthed an answer when in 1086, what is now being discussed as Chase or Chace was infact "Heathfield (Hatfield) Chase. It may appear that the Brewery that built the pub (Darley's) infact got the spelling wrong and it may be that the Chase and the Health Centre for some reason have been taken back in time name wise...Edwin I was told as a kid is supposed to be buried in Hatfield Church but there is no mention.
One hell of a treck between Stainy and Hatfield, done it thousands of times..My mam was the manageress of Northern Dairies 1950 - until it closed as Gallons in 74.

I remember the old white farm buildings of The Abbey (The original not the pub) when I was a kid living in Stanley Grove next to Ikey's . I used to go and look, sadly also remember it being knocked down, the story there was that at the time of the Reformation the monks had a tunnel from the Abbey up to St Lawrence's, I do not know if this can be true because both buildings were Anglican ones. But what goes around, the Abbey pub as you well know is now some shops.

Just down the road at Belton, last year the renovations at "The Wheatsheaf Pub" were stopped because human remains were found under the car park, these turned out to be Roman remains which is also probable within your article to be true.No respect for the dead they have built two houses beside the pub, not for me I have seen the film "What is under the floor boards"

[The Red Baron]

As a former resident of Hatfield I find this thread fascinating.

On the link between the church and the Abbey, I was a pupil at Travis and I remember the vicar telling us that St. Lawrence's was built in the Norman era, so a connection to the abbey is quite possible. It would only have become an Anglican church after the Reformation. Presumably the original Abbey was a victim of Thomas Cromwell!

And the pub was definitely the Chace. I hardly ever went in there though because I went to the High School and it was always full of teachers! Whenever I hear Madness' Baggy Trousers I always think of the Chace.

[bally1950]

Yes too many teachers getting over their headaches of Mon to Fri.  I went to St Peters but of course mine hosts were friends of my Mam and Dad...No Chance of a drink. Might have to dig into The Abbey

[bally1950]

Just tried to put a link in this thread but on test will not open but if you go onto Hatfield Town Council website  and go into History section, there are some probable answers.  I always wondered why we called Stainforth just Stainy, thought it was slang but did not know it dated back to Stainy Ford.  well well you never are too old to learn.

[bally1950]

As a former resident of Hatfield I find this thread fascinating.

On the link between the church and the Abbey, I was a pupil at Travis and I remember the vicar telling us that St. Lawrence's was built in the Norman era, so a connection to the abbey is quite possible. It would only have become an Anglican church after the Reformation. Presumably the original Abbey was a victim of Thomas Cromwell!

And the pub was definitely the Chace. I hardly ever went in there though because I went to the High School and it was always full of teachers! Whenever I hear Madness' Baggy Trousers I always think of the Chace.

Baron.. Just unearthed this as the Abbey was initially called Dunscroft Grange AND you were right it was Catholic as the Cistercian monks were there as part of Roche Abbey until Reformation

   Cistercian monks
probably residential grange dependent on Roche
founded after 1186;
dissolved with Roche? (25 June 1538)

[drfchound]

Just tried to put a link in this thread but on test will not open but if you go onto Hatfield Town Council website  and go into History section, there are some probable answers.  I always wondered why we called Stainforth just Stainy, thought it was slang but did not know it dated back to Stainy Ford.  well well you never are too old to learn.

bally,the old name was STONY Ford, not Stainy Ford.
I reckon that Stainy is as you originally thought, a shortened version of Stainforth.

[The Red Baron]

There is quite a lot of detail about Roche Abbey here:

http://cistercians.shef.ac.uk/roche/lands/

Dunscroft Grange is mentioned in the table of lands held by the abbey but not much detail is given.

PS. The Grange seems to have been built in the 12th century when Roche Abbey was granted the advowson of the Parish Church at Hatfield by the local lord of manor. That meant the abbey had the right to appoint the parish priest and take income from the tithes. The Grange would have been used to collect and store the tithes. It may have also been where the priest lodged, hence the tales of the tunnel, which is probably a local myth. The abbey was granted the advowson of Hatfield because it was hard up, and constructing a tunnel would have been a costly business.

[wilts rover]

Actually you are both wrong - if you go to Filo's link above the author has copied out the piece on Stainforth from the Domesday Book which says:

"In Stenforde there are seven sokemen with four carucates. Wood, pasture one quarenten long and the same broad"

So in 1086 it was Stenforde. It was 250 years after that, when the village was chartered in 1348, that it was Stonyford.

[The Red Baron]

More here:

http://www.hatfieldtowncouncil-southyorkshire.com/Core/Hatfield-TC/Pages/Parish_History_1.aspx

[drfchound]

Actually you are both wrong - if you go to Filo's link above the author has copied out the piece on Stainforth from the Domesday Book which says:

"In Stenforde there are seven sokemen with four carucates. Wood, pasture one quarenten long and the same broad"

So in 1086 it was Stenforde. It was 250 years after that, when the village was chartered in 1348, that it was Stonyford.

So, actually wilts i was not wrong.
I didn't say the original name was Stony Ford, but that thoe OLD name was Stony Ford.
I reckon that 1348 makes it an old name. 

[wilts rover]

Nice one hound, although on a technicality it is 'an' (one of the) old names rather than 'the' old name!

Does anyone know if this 1348 charter still exists?

[Suzy Jackson]

Lets get the spelling right first lads.
It was the Hatfield Chace, not Chase.

The name on the pub on the corner says Chase and it surprises me that whoever came up with the name didn't research properly before naming it.

The Chace was a Royal Hunting ground in days gone by and in recent years the name has been corrupted to the current "Chase."
Also, supposedly linked to the battle is a burial pit in Hatfield Woodhouse on the now named Slaypit Lane.

Hi really interested in the post who said the pub is Chace not Chase - I'm trying to establish its real name! Can anyone help

[idler]

It was always the Chace in the 60s when we did Darley's Brewery plumbing and heating jobs.
Ex Rover Cec Stirland was the manager there then.

[Sprotyrover]

Re visiting this thread Richmond hill has a very strong claim to be the Ravenhill mentioned in the King in the North, ravens nest in cliffs, there ha been Ravens nesting in the Don Gorge recently.

[drfchound]

Lets get the spelling right first lads.
It was the Hatfield Chace, not Chase.

The name on the pub on the corner says Chase and it surprises me that whoever came up with the name didn't research properly before naming it.

The Chace was a Royal Hunting ground in days gone by and in recent years the name has been corrupted to the current "Chase."
Also, supposedly linked to the battle is a burial pit in Hatfield Woodhouse on the now named Slaypit Lane.

Hi really interested in the post who said the pub is Chace not Chase - I'm trying to establish its real name! Can anyone help

We studied this at school back in the sixties and it was always the Hatfield Chace, not Chase.
As Idler says, the pub was also the Chace in years gone by.

[tommy toes]

Going off in a tangent a bit.
Michael Wood the Historian maintains that the battle in about 947 which Aethelstan  won and united all England was fought along the plain between Barnsdale  Bar and Burghwallis.

[drfchound]

It is also said that Robin Hood used to hang about at Barnsdale Bar.

[ravenrover]

Well everone knows he was a yorkshireman

[idler]

Wasn't he from Sheffield? 😉

[i_ateallthepies]

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It is also said that Robin Hood used to hang about at Barnsdale Bar.

There used to be a spring in the verge at the side of the A638 near Hazel Lane, the turn to Skelbrooke.  Always known as Little John's well in my youth.

[Sprotyrover]

The king inn the north speculates that Penda was killed at the river Went rather than the Cock Beck ,his army withdrawing south over a flooded Went was caught half way across and slaughtered.
No doubt at Wentbridge.
Theo's roaman road got some hammer back in those days!
The suggestion by Cook also takes into account the convergence of the the two Roman roads at Burghwallis who ever was sitting at Barnsdale Bar had a good view to the South and it was a strong defensive position..

[roversdude]

This has been a great thread guys thanks

[ch-ch rover]

I agree great thread

[roversdude]

Have just purchased The King in the North based on comments

[Sprotyrover]

Back on Topic The Battle of Hatfield took place on the 12 th October,I wouldn't be surprised if Edwin was at Hatfield to hunt the Red Deer on the moors as it's Rutting season?. The  Red deer are huge on the moors and it must have been a good hunting ground hence it remaining a Royal hunting ground until it was drained by Vermoyden

[roversdude]

Sproty bow to your knowledge on this subject