Adam Johnson

[GazLaz]

Girl admits she wrote to pal on Snapchat before meeting #Johnson  "He is picking me up again this week & I am riding him." #safc

She is a slag and he is a wrongen, simple as that. He won't have been the first to go there you can guarantee that.

[The Red Baron]

Maybe, but I hardly see that exonerates Johnson when he knew her age.

[bobjimwilly]

Even if she's a slutty girl, he's an adult and what he did is against the law, and rightly so. Not sure I get your point Gaz?

[GazLaz]

It doesn't, both rats though. The law is the law and he should know better. These 15 year olds these days are capable of plotting this sort of stuff though. He shouldn't have been so f**king stupid.

[IDM]

Girl admits she wrote to pal on Snapchat before meeting #Johnson  "He is picking me up again this week & I am riding him." #safc

She is a slag and he is a wrongen, simple as that. He won't have been the first to go there you can guarantee that.

Would you say that to the girls face, or to her parents?

Not sure why you saw the need to put that on here.

[GazLaz]

Just a continuation of the blocked thread really....

[Sad-Rovers]

Good luck.

[aidanstu]

Girl admits she wrote to pal on Snapchat before meeting #Johnson  "He is picking me up again this week & I am riding him." #safc

She is a slag and he is a wrongen, simple as that. He won't have been the first to go there you can guarantee that.

Gazlad seriously? So your logic is that because she may, or may not have been, sexually active in year 10 this entitles individuals , let alone men twice her age, to groom and  then sexually assault her?

Maybe it's just a lack of insight on your part, a wish to wind people up on this forum at the expense of a child but, as a professional who works within child protection and with children who are sexually exploited, I find your comments both offensive and seriously ill informed. You know your codining paedophilia and children being sexually exploited don't you?

If you want to meet to allow me to give you an insight into how and why the likes of Adam Johnson operate in the ways they do and with the types of victims they choose then I'm willing to. Just on the basis that this forum should not be subject to such ill informed and deeply offensive views.

I make this Not to antagonise you but as a genuine gesture.

Inbox me if you wish.

[MachoMadness]

Don't see how it makes her a slag to be honest. I'd imagine most teenagers would jump at the chance to hop in a car with their idol at that age. I know if I was 15 and Hayley Williams tried it on with me I'd certainly go with it. He was her absolute idol, and manipulated her based on that fact.

She hasn't done anything wrong apart from be very naive. You know, like all teenagers are, especially when it comes to sex.

[GazLaz]

I just know what girls were like when I was 15, nearly 20 years ago. What's happening out there now must just be madness.

[Glyn_Wigley]

I just know what girls were like when I was 15, nearly 20 years ago. What's happening out there now must just be madness.

And that is why there is an age of consent, because the Law believes anyone under that age is not able to make a fully informed or mature decision regarding their sexual activities. As you seem to think she was able to do so at that age (hence why you call her a slag and because of you knowing what girls were like when you were 15), what level do you think the age of consent should really be?

[bally1950]

The onus was on Johnson, not the girl...

[GazLaz]

The law is fine as far as I'm concerned, needs to be a line in the sand. Individuals are different though.

[aidanstu]

I just know what girls were like when I was 15, nearly 20 years ago. What's happening out there now must just be madness.

What's going on there now is situations, not only in Rotherham and Rochdale but all over the country, where young people are getting groomed by groups or individuals and used for sex. Predominantly by men who believe their slags and deserving of such abuse. You have crossed what should be a very firm line and for your own sake I would suggest taking this post down as you will be slaughtered. Maybe that's what you want?

[bally1950]

I was a Policeman and dealt with several rapes AND worse sex offences. No matter what or who the girl is, the law says if she does not consent then it ain't allowed. A girl on 15 BY LAW cannot consent to having sex. I do not say it the law does. Hope he gets ten years. Only three weeks ago I was called a Paedo at Balby Mallard School by a parent because I have a ten  year old daughter. 

I made a drunken mistake and am blamed for it for life, I did not walk away from the baby NOW the mother is a   not nice person, but I get the blame. So why not Johnson????  I did it I pays my money and see my daughter three days a week. He just wanted a shag, a b j a wonk and it was alright as long as nobody found out.. Well they did...Live with it.

For those who think he is a good guy then god help you if you have daughters

[Lipsy]

Personally (and 'scuse my flippancy), I don't care if this girl looks like Angelina Jolie's slightly younger sister and has ridden half the lads at the local comp, the law's the law. Johnson shouldn't have gone near this girl and should have backed the eff off the second he knew her age. It's that simple.

As a parent of three (one daughter), I do wonder why we don't give parents a slap on the wrist for failing to protect their charges. I appreciate you can't always know where your teenagers are, but - seriously - I intend to know, care and keep a bleedin' eye on my daughter until I expire. Too often we see parents of kids who fall victim to all manner of crimes simply not knowing where their children are or what they are doing. In this day and age especially, it's not that difficult keep track of your kids or - at the very least - take a parental interest. Y'know, like what parents should be doing.

[newyankee]

 Don't knock yourself Bally, you are a much better father than she is a mother.  You have a smashing daughter who I know will grow up to be a credit to you.

[wing commander]

     it's irrelevant to me what she said to him or what she wore...He knew she was at school,he knew she was underage,and he blatantly used his position as a footballer to help groom her into sexual activity,for the life of me i cant possibly see how anybody can defend him in any shape or form..I really cant....
     I've a feeling they are going to make a example of him and a long sentence is heading his way and I for one hope he gets the full sentence available....

[DearneValleyRover]

He's a Paedo end of and should be treated as such.

[Sad-Rovers]

Emotive stuff this.

It's always been a mystery to me how girls and boys suddenly develop the emotional maturity to consent to sex on the stroke of midnight on their 16th birthday that they lacked just minutes before.

I think it's safe to say that everyone matures at different rates, perhaps some have the maturity to consent below this arbitrary line in the sand, a line that differs by up to 4 years even within Europe, perhaps some don't develop that level until much later.

What's the answer? f**ked if I know, I'm just a footy fan.

I'm sure there will be a pitchfork wielding mob here soon to set things right soon enough.

[NickDRFC]

I was a Policeman and dealt with several rapes AND worse sex offences. No matter what or who the girl is, the law says if she does not consent then it ain't allowed. A girl on 15 BY LAW cannot consent to having sex. I do not say it the law does. Hope he gets ten years. Only three weeks ago I was called a Paedo at Balby Mallard School by a parent because I have a ten  year old daughter. 

I made a drunken mistake and am blamed for it for life, I did not walk away from the baby NOW the mother is a   not nice person, but I get the blame. So why not Johnson????  I did it I pays my money and see my daughter three days a week. He just wanted a shag, a b j a wonk and it was alright as long as nobody found out.. Well they did...Live with it.

For those who think he is a good guy then god help you if you have daughters

Even though I find it quite hard to understand from what you've written, it seems to me that you have a ten year old daughter with a woman with whom you had a one night stand.

Why on earth did someone call you a paedophile and why are you relating your scenario to the Adam Johnson case?

Apologies in advance if I've missed the gist of it.

[Lipsy]

The age of consent (in this case) means that when you're a 26/27-year-old man and you find out that the lass you're chatting up only turned 15 a few months previously, you leave her alone rather than try to get into her knickers.

Frankly, we're pretty flexible when it comes to kids in and around that age having sex with their peers (why else would doctors prescribe the pill to girls below the age of 16?). We just take umbrage at the idea of a grown man pursuing a child for sex.

If he'd met this girl all dolled up in a club and things had gone too far, people might (MIGHT) think differently. Sadly, this odious prick knew all too well what he was doing and how old she was.

[Wild Rover]

He should have walked away ( not met up ) as he knew what he was about. BUT how many on here would create the same furore if it had been a 15 year old lad and his 29 year old ( Female ) "Biology" teacher.
Chances are a lot would say "Get in there Lad".
In no way would I condone either , but just suppose it was that way.

[MachoMadness]

He should have walked away ( not met up ) as he knew what he was about. BUT how many on here would create the same furore if it had been a 15 year old lad and his 29 year old ( Female ) "Biology" teacher.
Chances are a lot would say "Get in there Lad".
In no way would I condone either , but just suppose it was that way.

There is quite the double standard in society when it comes to gender and sex. If it was a young lad being taken advantage of by a woman, you can guarantee there wouldn't be people referring to him as whatever the male equivalent of a slag is.

[BillyStubbsTears]

Not that it's much of my business, but from what I've heard, the following seems like the story to me.

1) Girl is infatuated with football star. Is certainly naive in thinking that he'll feel anything heartfelt for her. But, is in a bit of a headspin and is bowled over by his attention.

2) Football star knowns damn well what he is doing and doesn't have the commonsense or the moral sense to walk away.

3) After whatever happens, girl realises that she's been really f**king stupid. Friends get to hear about it. It all gets out of control. Tells parents. Parents go ballistic and go to police.


Football star is both morally and legally guilty and will get what's coming to him.

It's the girl that concerns me. From what I've heard, she's more naive than the sort of strumpet that Gaz seems to have spent his younger life associating with. Now, if I'd been her dad and I heard about this, I suspect that my first reaction would have been to set about Johnson's kneecaps with a Black & Decker. Stupid and, frankly, predatory Kitson that he appears to be. What really concerns me is that, once the legal process has started, the State has effectively given up on really protecting this girl. The legal process is supposed to be primarily about protection. But in this case, apparently, the girl's name and photos are out there for anyone who wants to go and look for them. Certainly on the Sunderland forum, Durham police have put up a message reminding posters that publicising her name is a criminal offence, which suggests that precisely that sort of publicising has been going on. And on other forums, there have been frank comments about what other fans' reactions have been to seeing her photos.

Which raises the question: Is protection of this girl from the effects of Johnson's greedy idiocy and her own naivety just an incidental issue? And, whilst action has to be taken to protect kids, is the wide publicity attached to this case really in the victim's interests here?

Leaves me feeling very uneasy about our priorities. Almost as uneasy as hearing someone suggest that all 15 year old girls are sexually predatory harlots.

[knockers]

If two 15 year olds are going out and having sex with each other is that illegal?
If one of them turns 16 and is still having sex with the other should they be arrested for having underage sex and placed on a register?
Just wondering

[Glyn_Wigley]

If two 15 year olds are going out and having sex with each other is that illegal?

Yes.

[knockers]

And what about the other question

[NickDRFC]

Knockers - yes, with a caveat. It is a completely different scenario to this case, and it would be very unusual for the law to be enforced ie a statutory rape charge to be brought to the courts if two 15 year olds were having sex.

[aidanstu]

If two 15 year olds are going out and having sex with each other is that illegal?
If one of them turns 16 and is still having sex with the other should they be arrested for having underage sex and placed on a register?
Just wondering

In law it is illegal as any person, male or female, can not consent to sex unless they are 16. The difference is in that scenario however that the age difference would suggest that there is less likely to be any level of cohesion, abuse or control.