Five days to answer a question!

[Filo]

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-35994283


I think the PM should do the honourable thing and resign!

[Donnywolf]

Honourable and Cameron in the same post ?

They will as usual dishonourably "ride it out" evidenced by the smug Minister on BBC Breakfast.

[big fat yorkshire pudding]

I disagree massively with this. He's not broken laws or done anything wrong so why should he?

[nightporter]

Lol, this is a man that got jiggy with a piggy.

[MachoMadness]

And the amount he profited is just £300 below the capital gains tax threshold... how interesting.

I disagree massively with this. He's not broken laws or done anything wrong so why should he?

He and his family have been profiting from tax loopholes for generations. If you don't see anything wrong with the PM of our country grandstanding and building one of his election platforms on clamping down on tax evasion and avoidance (legal or otherwise it's still morally wrong) and even arranging to hold a conference on the subject in a few weeks, while having profited from a company that never paid a penny of tax in the UK because it got random people to sign the paperwork, then I don't know what to tell you.

Not only that, but the guy isn't interested in getting involved in saving British steel but he can personally get involved in blocking inquiries into offshore trusts. The whole affair is morally reprehensible - that it's still legal is part of the problem.

[idler]

I always taught my children the difference between right and wrong.
Something being legal doesn't make it morally right or acceptable to most fair minded people.

[MachoMadness]

A very interesting article here - by a Labour MP so it's hardly impartial - but it sums up the absolutely disgraceful hypocrisy of the whole situation. http://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/jess-phillips/david-cameron-taxes_b_9622288.html

[big fat yorkshire pudding]

I always taught my children the difference between right and wrong.
Something being legal doesn't make it morally right or acceptable to most fair minded people.

It's not the end of it there are morals but they are very subjective anyway.  But I ask any of you do you ever pay more tax than you need to? There are thousands of what some call loopholes (i call rules) that people follow to not pay tax.

You could pick loads of things out just from posters on here who fall in to the same brackets easily.  Where does it end?

Storm in a teacup this one as far as I can see. I wonder how many on here have pensions and I wonder how those funds are invested...

Not so "moral" then i bet.

[nightporter]

Our Great Leader speaking about Jimmy Carr,   "It is not fair on hardworking people who do the right thing and pay their taxes to see these sorts of scams taking place."

[MachoMadness]

Difference is, BFYP, we're not the ones ultimately in charge of spending the tax collected to benefit the nation. A position that is held, in part, because of promising to clamp down on exactly the kind of thing we're actively profiting from, castigating prominent figures like Jimmy Carr for doing the EXACT SAME thing we've reaped the benefits of.

Some random Doncaster Rovers fans doing it doesn't excuse the PM of the nation doing it. It doesn't excuse him personally writing letters to shield offshore trusts from an EU crackdown in secret. It doesn't excuse him ducking and evading questions for five days on the topic. It doesn't excuse him gutting the NHS to pinch pennies while actively ensuring people like his father hold companies who don't give a penny back to this country. Pointing fingers at others is exactly what the Tories want because it means they're not held accountable.

[Glyn_Wigley]

I disagree massively with this. He's not broken laws or done anything wrong so why should he?

So even after this you're confident that the PM and his ilk are the people you'd trust to close this and the other tax loopholes that his government said they would?

[BillyStubbsTears]

There are two secondary but arguably more important aspects to this.

1) If Cameron has nothing to hide, why did he take such a convoluted route to get to the truth? What's in the spotlight here is his honesty, judgement and integrity. It means that anything he ever says on any subject in future will be viewed through this prism.

2) If the trust was all above board and honest, why "dispose" of your investment that you've held for 13 years just when you are about to become PM?

[MachoMadness]

Mark Steel with an entertaining read on the topic here: http://www.independent.co.uk/voices/if-cameron-wont-benefit-from-his-fathers-offshore-trust-perhaps-he-got-through-eton-on-a-paper-round-a6973161.html

I'll point you to two quotes from it that echo both BST's points quite well, particularly in light of Osborne's usual coyness on the subject;

1)George Osborne was even clearer about whether he benefited from tax avoidance schemes, saying: “As I’ve said, all of our interests as ministers and MPs are declared in the register of members’ interests and we’ve made our position very clear,”

So he was asked again, and replied: “As I said this Conservative government has done more that any Labour government or any previous government to tackle tax evasion.”

If he was asked again he’d probably say: “I told you already, I never go cycling on an empty stomach.” And then: “Look, how many more times? Beenie Man is my favourite dancehall reggae artist. Now I have an important meeting to attend. Good day.”

2)Everyone connected with these trusts insists they’ve ‘done nothing illegal’. It’s a refreshing attitude, as you can get fed up with people worrying whether someone’s behaviour breaches any code of morality. Presumably, if the wife of one of these businessmen came home to find them having an orgy with the entire cast of Emmerdale in a room mocked up to look like Anne Frank’s attic, they’d say, “Alright, don’t make a fuss. I’ve not done anything illegal.”

[Filo]

Jimmy Carr's perfectly legal tax affairs were morrally wrong according to Dave, why is his situation any different?

[Yargo]

I disagree massively with this. He's not broken laws or done anything wrong so why should he?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-bnh162vqk4

[Filo]

I disagree massively with this. He's not broken laws or done anything wrong so why should he?

As I mentioned in my previous post, niether had Jimmy Carr, but the PM declared what he had done was morrally wrong, can you see the problem there bfyp?

[MrFrost]

I disagree massively with this. He's not broken laws or done anything wrong so why should he?

As I mentioned in my previous post, niether had Jimmy Carr, but the PM declared what he had done was morrally wrong, can you see the problem there bfyp?

Seems BFYP is a little biased given the nature of his profession.

[wesisback]

So can we all be really clear. BST, Filo and Glyn: this is morally wrong but not illegal and should be chastised as a result?
Would want to be clear before I deem you huge hypocrites.

[Glyn_Wigley]

So can we all be really clear. BST, Filo and Glyn: this is morally wrong but not illegal and should be chastised as a result?
Would want to be clear before I deem you huge hypocrites.

Let's be really clear. I've not said anything about morality so you can leave me out of it. Try reading what I wrote again.

[Jenny]

I disagree massively with this. He's not broken laws or done anything wrong so why should he?

As I mentioned in my previous post, niether had Jimmy Carr, but the PM declared what he had done was morrally wrong, can you see the problem there bfyp?

Seems BFYP is a little biased given the nature of his profession.

Not sure what accounting has to with tax avoidance.

Me on the other hand...

[Iberian Red]

So can we all be really clear. BST, Filo and Glyn: this is morally wrong but not illegal and should be chastised as a result?
Would want to be clear before I deem you huge hypocrites.

I'll have a half of whatever you've been drinking.

[big fat yorkshire pudding]

I disagree massively with this. He's not broken laws or done anything wrong so why should he?

As I mentioned in my previous post, niether had Jimmy Carr, but the PM declared what he had done was morrally wrong, can you see the problem there bfyp?

Seems BFYP is a little biased given the nature of his profession.

Not my profession I'm afraid, I do very little about it and certainly no expert.  But my points still stand, my stance on taxes are the rules are there to work within.

Some of the rules I don't necessarily agree with, but not these ones relating to Cameron, given its been said he paid the same tax as he would have if onshore...

[MrFrost]

I disagree massively with this. He's not broken laws or done anything wrong so why should he?

As I mentioned in my previous post, niether had Jimmy Carr, but the PM declared what he had done was morrally wrong, can you see the problem there bfyp?

Seems BFYP is a little biased given the nature of his profession.

Not sure what accounting has to with tax avoidance.

Me on the other hand...

So you'd say openly lambasting others for the actions you yourself have been doing is good behaviour?

Actually, when I come to think of it.

[BillyStubbsTears]

Well there's a surprise. Wesley and Frosty wade in and yet another thread descends into personal snipes.

When do the Euros start?

[MrFrost]

Well there's a surprise. Wesley and Frosty wade in and yet another thread descends into personal snipes.

When do the Euros start?

Yep. All we need now is Bob to join in and we've got a hat trick.

[Bentley Bullet]

Well there's a surprise. Wesley and Frosty wade in and yet another thread descends into personal snipes.

When do the Euros start?

[BobG]

Here you go then pillock.

How's that for the hat trick?

BobG

[MrFrost]

Here you go then pillock.

How's that for the hat trick?

BobG

Come on Bob, i'm sure you can do better than that.

[MachoMadness]

Turns out Cameron HAS been diddling the taxman after all - that trifling 300 grand he got from his dad was topped up by two separate payments of £100k each from his mam.

f**k me, I used to be happy at getting a quid sellotaped inside my birthday card. I'll admit I never paid inheritance tax on that - turns out Cameron can make the same claim.

[hoolahoop]

In the first instance, now correct me if I'm wrong here, they turned the heat up on Cameron because his father did something morally if not illegally outside the law ?
Now I've got to say my old dad God bless him was a serial womaniser ; something I've never been good looking enough or inclined to be.

I now regret not informing previous employers , 1 ex -wife and a few old girlfriends about these aberrations

I want to tell you all about this now and hope you will accept my sincere apologies for losing his moral compass.
Strewth not being able to really tag this label on me in the past has affected all their lives immeasurably.

Sorry for being a tad light - hearted about this but in 2 months time we have the most important vote of our lives coming up and all this political posturing is only helping the Brexit campaign . ffs put this to one side because if you play on this like you are with the Corbynistas shouting foul in league with all the Tory " Brexit" press you can say goodbye IMO to the EU and shortly afterwards the Union, much of our old territorial waters , oil and gas revenues.

I know folk like to take political advantage when it presents itself but please could Labour and especially Corbyn drop this now before the " In " campaign gets besmirched by this.

No doubt they will be rubbing their hands with glee over this in the Tory Brexit press. Believe me there will be high fliers on the other side of the house who will be outed for the same or similar things ....only time will tell eh

By which time Cameron, tax dodging, immigration and the EU will all have been connected when people walk into the polling booths.Then it's too late I smell a well-timed revelation here.