Ched Evans wins Appeal

[idler]

as of yesterday he has done nothing wrong, just had sex with a woman, are we all not guilty of that sometime in our lives

I think there are a few on here that have never seen a vagina in action live.

i can assure you that in nearly 60 years watching the Rovers I have seen a few in Rovers shirts.
Not too sure if they were all live though.

[German Rover]

Get him training with us now

I like to think that our owners have got higher principles than that.

And if he's found not guilty I wouldn't see the issue of him playing

He'd still be a bell end, but the club would still not be able to claim the moral high ground we've had players who have killed people play for us before.  I'd feel uncomfortable cheering him on, and whoever signs him will have their clubs name dragged through the mud.  Rather steer clear to be honest.

So just tell me why he will be dragged through the mud for doing nothing

I never said his name would be dragged through the mud. I said the club who signed him would have theirs dragged through the mud.

Do you honestly believe football fans will not give him and which ever club he plays for the dogs abuse. It would be very naive to believe that other teams fans would say 'well he got found not guilty, we won't mention that at all.'

And the bloke is a bellend I'd rather not be involved with our club. If he's found not guilty he's still a bloke who was in a serious relationship who shagged some lass he met in a nightclub, when his missus (who for some inexplicable reason, hasn't f**ked him off!) sits at home. Blokes an arsehole, don't need a court to convict him of that!

[IDM]

as of yesterday he has done nothing wrong, just had sex with a woman, are we all not guilty of that sometime in our lives

No - as of that day his conviction was quashed due to "new" evidence being available that wasn't at the first trial.  Therefore the appeal court has ordered a re-trial.

So Evans may have done nothing wrong, but as he is facing a re-trial he is still facing charges.  Let's wait until this has happened before we conclude if he has done anything wrong or not.

You have made your judgement - I'll leave mine to the judge and jury!

[IDM]

Get him training with us now

No.  Re-trial first.  There is still a chance he could be found guilty again, isn't there?

then he goes bet you have never done awt wrong same as most on hers, you will al have egg on your face when he proves he did nothing wrong

Why would I have egg on my face if Evans is found not guilty at his re-trial??  Why??

I have made no judgement - I accepted the first trial verdict and will accept the re-trial verdict.  I have no opinion either way whether I believe he is innocent or not, as I have not been party to ALL the evidence!

As for never done awt wrong, well I have had a speeding ticket yes, and I have a couple of parking tickets, yes.  I even had a bollocking from a copper for riding a backy on a moped for a hundred yards with no helmet as a teenager - yes to all of those and I admitted all.

I have never been accused of rape or sexual assault.  If you think you compare me to Evans' case, then you can rightly go and f**k yourself. 

We all have different opinions and life would be boring if we didn't, but you disqualify yourself (IMHO) when you make statements like that, so do us all a favour and piss off???

[The Red Baron]

The question for any football club considering signing him is this - would you sign a player with a serious charge (not necessarily rape) hanging over him? I suspect in most cases the answer would be no.

[drfchound]

There are some cases of players coming back into the game after serving time for very serious offences though.
There was a keeper,  at Plymouth, McCormick who had done a death by dangerous driving.
he was even made captain of the side.
I remember Lee Hughes did six years for D by DD.
I know they weren't accused of rape but what they did was probably (depending on your viewpoint) worse than that.
There is another ex Sunderland player who is currently abroad who has been accused of two rape charges in Gateshead recently.

[drfchound]

at the original trial the girl caimed she was too drunk to remember.the judge in his wisdom stated that she was too drunk to consent,the reason McDonald got off it was proved she went back to the motel with him presumely for a game of monopoly

Yeah, right.

[The Red Baron]

As I say, I think a club would be reluctant to sign anyone with a serious charge hanging over them.

If he is found Not Guilty, then we are in different territory. Some clubs may think he carries too much baggage, but it is more likely that someone will take a chance.

[drfchound]

We would be a good attacking force with Evans leading the line and Adam Johnson on loan from Moorlands Sunday league team next season. !!!!

[The Red Baron]

We would be a good attacking force with Evans leading the line and Adam Johnson on loan from Moorlands Sunday league team next season. !!!!

There's a couple of very bad football-related jokes I could make, but probably better not to go there. I am not Frankie Boyle.

[drfchound]

i think i know what you may have said Baron.

[acko]

Idont know if evans wants to resume his career in this country or not,but whilst hes on sexual register is travel abroad is limited.Remove that which they will do if hes cleared at a new trial then there would be a lot of teams abroad China,MLS,australia were he could make a good living.I don't think there will be another trial,if the girl in question thinks the evidence now to be produced shows her in more bad light she may not want to pursue.

[i_ateallthepies]

Having been out of the game for so long I doubt he would be able to recapture the level of skill he had. Would probably struggle to be better than average Conference standard.

[Chris Black come back]

Could make a career in Scotland then.

[BillyStubbsTears]

Rigo

I think it might have been due to him being, until this week, a convicted rapist with an undischarged sentence, rather than some BBC plot.

[drfchound]

Having been out of the game for so long I doubt he would be able to recapture the level of skill he had. Would probably struggle to be better than average Conference standard.

You don't lose your skill, only your fitness.

[the vicar]

Get him training with us now

No.  Re-trial first.  There is still a chance he could be found guilty again, isn't there?

then he goes bet you have never done awt wrong same as most on hers, you will al have egg on your face when he proves he did nothing wrong

Why would I have egg on my face if Evans is found not guilty at his re-trial??  Why??

I have made no judgement - I accepted the first trial verdict and will accept the re-trial verdict.  I have no opinion either way whether I believe he is innocent or not, as I have not been party to ALL the evidence!

As for never done awt wrong, well I have had a speeding ticket yes, and I have a couple of parking tickets, yes.  I even had a bollocking from a copper for riding a backy on a moped for a hundred yards with no helmet as a teenager - yes to all of those and I admitted all.

I have never been accused of rape or sexual assault.  If you think you compare me to Evans' case, then you can rightly go and f**k yourself. 

We all have different opinions and life would be boring if we didn't, but you disqualify yourself (IMHO) when you make statements like that, so do us all a favour and piss off???

point me to where i pointed the finger at you, did i not say most on here not you specifically now did i 

[IDM]

Get him training with us now

No.  Re-trial first.  There is still a chance he could be found guilty again, isn't there?

then he goes bet you have never done awt wrong same as most on hers, you will al have egg on your face when he proves he did nothing wrong

Why would I have egg on my face if Evans is found not guilty at his re-trial??  Why??

I have made no judgement - I accepted the first trial verdict and will accept the re-trial verdict.  I have no opinion either way whether I believe he is innocent or not, as I have not been party to ALL the evidence!

As for never done awt wrong, well I have had a speeding ticket yes, and I have a couple of parking tickets, yes.  I even had a bollocking from a copper for riding a backy on a moped for a hundred yards with no helmet as a teenager - yes to all of those and I admitted all.

I have never been accused of rape or sexual assault.  If you think you compare me to Evans' case, then you can rightly go and f**k yourself. 

We all have different opinions and life would be boring if we didn't, but you disqualify yourself (IMHO) when you make statements like that, so do us all a favour and piss off???

point me to where i pointed the finger at you, did i not say most on here not you specifically now did i 

In response to my post though.  The inference is there...

[the vicar]

Get him training with us now

I like to think that our owners have got higher principles than that.

And if he's found not guilty I wouldn't see the issue of him playing

He'd still be a bell end, but the club would still not be able to claim the moral high ground we've had players who have killed people play for us before.  I'd feel uncomfortable cheering him on, and whoever signs him will have their clubs name dragged through the mud.  Rather steer clear to be honest.

So just tell me why he will be dragged through the mud for doing nothing

I never said his name would be dragged through the mud. I said the club who signed him would have theirs dragged through the mud.

Do you honestly believe football fans will not give him and which ever club he plays for the dogs abuse. It would be very naive to believe that other teams fans would say 'well he got found not guilty, we won't mention that at all.'

And the bloke is a bellend I'd rather not be involved with our club. If he's found not guilty he's still a bloke who was in a serious relationship who shagged some lass he met in a nightclub, when his missus (who for some inexplicable reason, hasn't f**ked him off!) sits at home. Blokes an arsehole, don't need a court to convict him of that!

It worked for Hughes at Oldham and he killed someone, don't tell me this is worse that that cos that is CRAP 

[i_ateallthepies]

Having been out of the game for so long I doubt he would be able to recapture the level of skill he had. Would probably struggle to be better than average Conference standard.

In jail he would not have been able to practice nearly enough to maintain his skills at the same level.  We all know how rusty we get if we stop doing something for an extended period.  He won't get back to his former level.




You don't lose your skill, only your fitness.

[wilts rover]

Get him training with us now

I like to think that our owners have got higher principles than that.

And if he's found not guilty I wouldn't see the issue of him playing

He'd still be a bell end, but the club would still not be able to claim the moral high ground we've had players who have killed people play for us before.  I'd feel uncomfortable cheering him on, and whoever signs him will have their clubs name dragged through the mud.  Rather steer clear to be honest.

So just tell me why he will be dragged through the mud for doing nothing

I never said his name would be dragged through the mud. I said the club who signed him would have theirs dragged through the mud.

Do you honestly believe football fans will not give him and which ever club he plays for the dogs abuse. It would be very naive to believe that other teams fans would say 'well he got found not guilty, we won't mention that at all.'

And the bloke is a bellend I'd rather not be involved with our club. If he's found not guilty he's still a bloke who was in a serious relationship who shagged some lass he met in a nightclub, when his missus (who for some inexplicable reason, hasn't f**ked him off!) sits at home. Blokes an arsehole, don't need a court to convict him of that!

It worked for Hughes at Oldham and he killed someone, don't tell me this is worse that that cos that is CRAP 

If you can't tell the differece between Evans and Hughes (and McCormick) it is pointless educating you. But here it is anyway

The difference with Evans was that Hughes and McCormick acknowledged the enormity of what they had done. “He accepts he has this scar on his history,” said the Plymouth chairman, James Brent, of his keeper. “He almost accepts the abuse.”

Hughes was sacked by West Bromwich minutes after the verdict was delivered at Coventry Crown Court and, upon release from prison, he joined Oldham.

Like McCormick, and unlike Evans, there was deep remorse. He had been in contact with the Graham family; he would speak at colleges and schools. “I hate myself every day,” he said. “I keep saying sorry but it is not enough. But it is my job and, if I were a plumber, I would go back to plumbing. I am not at Oldham to be a hero.”

http://www.independent.co.uk/sport/football/news-and-comment/from-lee-hughes-to-graham-rix-footballs-offenders-can-never-fully-remove-disgrace-9963957.html

[wilts rover]

Rigo

I think it might have been due to him being, until this week, a convicted rapist with an undischarged sentence, rather than some BBC plot.

But some clubs did want to sign Ched Evans - Sheff Utd, Hartlepool, Oldham, plus others who perhaps never let their interest get into the public domain.

What scuppered it was smear campaigns, stemming largely from social media, and the Jimmy Savile effect.

Certain feminists in senior positions wanted to set an example, because Ched Evans is a high-profile name, and that was to never let him play professional football again.

It's probably gone completely unnoticed to most 'Jean Hatchett' type figures that there's a paedophile footballer who has resumed his career (to an extent) in Scotland.

But is Craig Thomson a high-profile name?

Craig Thomson has not played professional football since he was sacked by Hearts - he plays for an amateur, junior league team, so in what way has he 'resumed his career'? His 5 years on the sex-offenders register are up this year so it will be interesting to see if anyone does want to employ him?

The rest of your post is rubbish - Evans is a convicted rapist who has admitted no remorse or apolgy for his crime. Perhaps he may be found totally innocent of all charges after the re-trial, but until then that is what he is, and its irrelevant who says it.

Aren't you supposed to be a journalist? I should leave out the stereotyped agenda and think a bit broader if I were you - unless you only want a job on the Daily Mail that is.

[the vicar]

so you would acknowledged the enormity of what you had done it you had not done anything what a MUG

[IDM]

so you would acknowledged the enormity of what you had done it you had not done anything what a MUG

But the point is, it has yet to be proven (again) that Evans has or has not done anything wrong. He faces a re-trial so there are charges to answer presenting the new evidence.  He may still be found guilty or not guilty.

Do you think that despite the guilty verdict at the first trial he did nothing wrong?  There are also - I expect - plenty of folks found "not guilty" in court when they did actually commit the offence, due to lack of evidence etc.

Doesn't the Scottish legal system have a third verdict - "not proven"?  That verdict in itself says a lot!

[Bentley Bullet]

wilts rover

 Correct me if I'm wrong here, but why the bloody hell would he want to apologise for something that he says he hasn't done?!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[wilts rover]

What's it got to do with me, I'm not Ched Evans?

Who clearly has done something, booking a hotel room under a false name, leaving the premises by a fire exit, having your activities filmed by your mates through a window. Whether or not he had unconsenual sex and raped a drunk girl - that will be the subject of a trial and the reason why he should not be paid for playing football at this moment in time.

[wilts rover]

wilts rover

 Correct me if I'm wrong here, but why the bloody hell would he want to apologise for something that he says he hasn't done?!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Bentley, try reading wot I rote, not what you think I wrote. I am explaining why Ched Evans is not playing football at this moment in time. If he believes he is innocent, good luck to him in the forthcoming trial.

[IDM]

Evans is a convicted rapist who has admitted no remorse or apolgy for his crime. Perhaps he may be found totally innocent of all charges after the re-trial, but until then that is what he is, and its irrelevant who says it.

Sorry to be pedantic but if his original trial conviction has been quashed on appeal, then Evans is no longer a convicted rapist?  He still faces the charges and will be re-tried, but unless I have read it wrong he at the moment is not convicted?

[wilts rover]

I still disgaree, if you are not being paid it is not a career, he plays amateur football. Has Evans attempted to play for a non-league club? Would there have been such an outcry if he did?

There has been lots of coverage of Thomson in the Scottish newspapers - in which it is clear their cases are very different and why Evans has attracted greater national coverage.

[Bentley Bullet]

"Evans is a convicted rapist who has admitted no remorse or apolgy for his crime"

Yep, read it again wilts like you advised, and this is what you said.